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The Resistance: Demo(n)crats in the Era of Trump

snuffbox said:
People have illnesses and diseases, PTSD, strokes, concussions, TBIs, neurodivergences, etc and most of them don't get nazi tats and act like the dipshits we claim to dislike. Nothing good is going to come from using excuses like that. He's a year younger than me and doesn't need, doesn't deserve, the excuse-making.
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Does he have any ties to white supremacist movements, or did he get ink done in eastern Europe where those symbols have been used regardless of political affiliation? (The answer is the latter.)

The guy covered it up. Now, he covered it with a Celtic pattern (also utilized by Nazi shitheads), but as one of the few people on the board that's gotten into it with legitimate Boneheads a time or two, he isn't giving me that kind of vibe.
 
Share your reasons for liking him. Is there more than his age? More than vibes? The tattoo equivalent of "it's not actually a machine gun" won't work but if there's a bunch of other things (growth, improvement, accomplishments, etc), say those, and I'm always open to changing my mind. I have no need to always be right no matter what, in real time or after the fact, I just need some good reasons.
 
snuffbox said:
People have illnesses and diseases, PTSD, strokes, concussions, TBIs, neurodivergences, etc and most of them don't get nazi tats and act like the dipshits we claim to dislike. Nothing good is going to come from using excuses like that. He's a year younger than me and doesn't need, doesn't deserve, the excuse-making.
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He has PTSD and draws a check from the Pentagon for it. Getting a tattoo in Croatia with your squad members, and openly exposing it to people at a Jewish family member's wedding does not strike me as something a person does when they know they have a bad tattoo.

snuffbox said:
Share your reasons for liking him. Is there more than his age? More than vibes? The tattoo equivalent of "it's not actually a machine gun" won't work but if there's a bunch of other things (growth, improvement, accomplishments, etc), say those, and I'm always open to changing my mind. I have no need to always be right no matter what, in real time or after the fact, I just need some good reasons.
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I like people who realize that they did something wrong and admit to it. I hate old people who pardon rapists who were their former clients. I like when people who run for office decide that trying to meet everyone in their state is the best strategy. I am also naturally distrustful of people who pretend to be perfect and criticize people for making internet posts where we weren't perfect - something that we've all done. I like that when Chuck Schumer's Democrats tried to expose him, I found out that this guy only donated to Democrats. He has never given money to a Republican ever. I like that I found out a trans person told him they were unsafe and needed weapons training, the guy decided to drive all the way across the state to show them how to defend themselves. I could keep going but my point is, if we don't have people like Graham Platner trying to take our country back, we're never getting it back. We are not saving this country with an army of 80 year olds who don't understand the world anymore, who think that they're better than you, who think that they don't even have to campaign or explain anything about themselves to get you to vote for them.
 
Let's also add to the pile that establishment Democrats have decided the thing to be critical about Iran is 'they're doing it wrong' rather than 'we shouldn't be doing it'
 
909 said:
Let's also add to the pile that establishment Democrats have decided the thing to be critical about Iran is 'they're doing it wrong' rather than 'we shouldn't be doing it'
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They are too busy criticizing Hasan Piker* for antisemitism (in this case-being Anti-Zionist and not saying anything that's actually antisemitic)

*I know Valeyard hates the guy, but...I don't really mind him. I'm not a huge fan (he's okay, I guess.) but come on, he's nowhere near as annoying or evil as right-wing figures are.
 
Hasan Piker is pretty awful from everything I've seen. He might not be as bad as people on the far right but he's said a lot of vile shit. He's an outright tankie, and he has definitely teetered into anti-semitism.
 
Sometimes when you’re trying to make people laugh and are putting on a performance, you go too far

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Big Papa Paegan said:
Does he have any ties to white supremacist movements, or did he get ink done in eastern Europe where those symbols have been used regardless of political affiliation? (The answer is the latter.)

The guy covered it up. Now, he covered it with a Celtic pattern (also utilized by Nazi shitheads), but as one of the few people on the board that's gotten into it with legitimate Boneheads a time or two, he isn't giving me that kind of vibe.
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Also, Pete Hegseth literally has a "Deux Vault" tattoo, which is a symbol that's very popular with fascist theocrats. Funny how that doesn't get brought up more.
 
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Who gives a shit about Hasan Piker. Fetterman seems to be the vocal Dem supporting the Bibi-Donald war. Maybe instead of that he should resign from the senate, let Shapiro put someone in before they primary him outta there anyway.
 
snuffbox said:
Share your reasons for liking him. Is there more than his age? More than vibes? The tattoo equivalent of "it's not actually a machine gun" won't work but if there's a bunch of other things (growth, improvement, accomplishments, etc), say those, and I'm always open to changing my mind. I have no need to always be right no matter what, in real time or after the fact, I just need some good reasons.
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I'm indifferent to him. My point is more that holding the tattoo over his head when 2007 wasn't filled with "THESE ARE NAZI SYMBOLS" listicles like 2026 is, and that he actively covered it up, reeks of the "purity test" BS that liberals and leftists are regularly accused of.

If his policies are in favor of the working American and not the 1%, and he's running against the GOP, then he's worth a good look. If he flames out then he flames out.
 
He's been given a good look for about a year now. As more than just I have mentioned, it's not just the tattoo. I don't even write out the r-word anymore. And if that makes me woke or whatever dumb pablum the republicans are puking, that's ok.
 
snuffbox said:
He's been given a good look for about a year now. As more than just I have mentioned, it's not just the tattoo. I don't even write out the r-word anymore. And if that makes me woke or whatever dumb pablum the republicans are puking, that's ok.
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And people on this board that the word could be used against have already said that's not a deal breaker. Unclutch those pearls a little.

What policy of his are you against?
 
snuffbox said:
He's been given a good look for about a year now. As more than just I have mentioned, it's not just the tattoo. I don't even write out the r-word anymore. And if that makes me woke or whatever dumb pablum the republicans are puking, that's ok.
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I guess I don't understand. You said we should've voted for Kamala and subsequently held her accountable for her more questionable beliefs/statements as she was the best choice available to keep Trump out. Is this not a similar situation?
 
Platner is running for a senate seat in Maine, not the presidency. It's a case where I don't think the younger, more different, etc, candidate has the best chance of winning, and I don't think he is so good overall that I'll swing at windmills for him even if he would lose. If I were in Maine, and he does win the primary, I would vote for him vs Collins.

I still think Harris ran a good campaign. Still think she was right about a lot, still think she should've won. I don't think she did as VP or would do as president what Bibi told her to do.
 
snuffbox said:
Platner is running for a senate seat in Maine, not the presidency. It's a case where I don't think the younger, more different, etc, candidate has the best chance of winning, and I don't think he is so good overall that I'll swing at windmills for him even if he would lose. If I were in Maine, and he does win the primary, I would vote for him vs Collins.

I still think Harris ran a good campaign. Still think she was right about a lot, still think she should've won. I don't think she did as VP or would do as president what Bibi told her to do.
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Based on every poll everyone has access to, all the people on the ground in Maine who go to his events and the fact she pulled out of debates with him and doesn't have events, what you're saying is obviously not true
 
I'm talking about my own thinking, my own opinion, there. I definitely could be wrong (it may not be provable one way or another). I'm leery of putting too much stock in polls...they're still helpful in multiple ways, but just as many ways end up muddying those results. I do suggest easing off the absolutes ("all the people") as they don't frequently help.

I hope Collins loses. That's the important thing. On a smaller level in my old House district in Wisconsin, two good Dem candidates are running in a tough primary. The republican is one of the worst. In this case, I like both Dems but I can only hope it's not a strike against either of them that they're women, and it'll still be way more competitive than it ought.
 
'All the people' wasn't an absolute, I was talking about the people who went to his town halls, of which he has had over 50.

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Senate candidate Graham Platner hosts town hall event in Portland

The 2026 primaries are still more than eight months away, but next year's election season is already starting to heat up.
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This is one of Mills only campaign events, back in January. The crowd size speaks volumes.


Isn't this kinda the same thing we talked about in 2016 when the Republicans had their primary? The dumbfuck piece of shit held countless events in front of large crowds, people refused to believe that he'd win the nomination even though Jeb Bush was having his events at nursing homes, subsequently the much more popular guy actually won the nomination. Elections don't work like a contrarian concept where the person who draws crowds of dozens of people beat those who create a movement.

I have unfortunately come to the conclusion that nearly everything about our country is broken and I support people who recognize that and want to fix it. I do not want someone to come into office and bring things back to how they were in 2016. Those days are over. I don't want to hear the words 'I will work with Republicans' from anyone I will vote for, and in a lot of cases I don't want candidates to have any experience at all. Experience means that they participated in fucked up game playing with people's lives, and that their experience showed them how to do it in a way that benefits the people who donated lots of money to them.
 
It's really the same thing as Mamdani tbh. I understand that people are beaten down and look for someone safe to support, but people need to realize that electability no longer means what you think it does. The Democratic party literally backed a Harvey Weinstein guy over Mamdani because they thought he would more effectively manage NYC, but what that means is that he would manage the decline of it and steer the right people to profit off of it. The most electable Democratic candidates are people who want to tear this country down and rebuild it before the entire place becomes the Rust Belt.
 
snuffbox said:
Platner is running for a senate seat in Maine, not the presidency. It's a case where I don't think the younger, more different, etc, candidate has the best chance of winning, and I don't think he is so good overall that I'll swing at windmills for him even if he would lose. If I were in Maine, and he does win the primary, I would vote for him vs Collins.

I still think Harris ran a good campaign. Still think she was right about a lot, still think she should've won. I don't think she did as VP or would do as president what Bibi told her to do.
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So does that mean, if he succeeds, that his issues are then deal breakers for the rest of his career? I just am not understanding why the standards are seemingly different because they're running for a different position.
 
I didn't buy into the internet stuff that Biden or Harris were genocidists. Never believed that Trump was going to end wars, was going to tell Bibi "no." I liked Harris's campaign, wish she would've won, and she wouldn't have done the ice nazi stuff, wouldn't have invaded countries, wouldn't have started wars. I don't understand the question here beyond that, Valeyard. I never fell for the Harris lies, before or after the 2024 election.

If Platner wins the ME primary, I hope he wins vs Collins. If in the senate, I hope he continues his growth and improvement and pushes for better things in the US. I hope that he, (and anyone else who gets in), nullifies Fetterman's maga votes and helps push him away from any relevancy.

House candidates: I hope the Dem wins in every race. Hoping for a tsunami. But not all of the winning races will be as solidly blue as the others. Just a reality thing. Those in more sturdy positions should be expected to move things further left. Once in office, more moderate winners can be helped to make their progressive voting safer electorally.
 
snuffbox said:
I didn't buy into the internet stuff that Biden or Harris were genocidists.
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It's disappointing that your personal experience with ICE and your perspective on Trump don't seem to translate into empathy for Palestinians who were victimized by the Biden administration.
 
It wasn't bait. :( I want to like you, but you make it so difficult.
 
I'm not going to post like you. I'm going to be myself. There is no 'comeback' forthcoming for the above.
 
tekcop said:
I'm just here to laugh at CWM calling someone a "tankie."
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I call you a tankie all the time!

Anyone who praises Mao, minimizes/questions Tiananmen Square, and does PR for the CCP is at best a troll to me. There's a lot of great things about China and terrible things about capitalism but people who try to pretend China either has never done anything bad or that Capitalism's evil somehow wipe them out are wrong.
snuffbox said:
Who gives a shit about Hasan Piker. Fetterman seems to be the vocal Dem supporting the Bibi-Donald war. Maybe instead of that he should resign from the senate, let Shapiro put someone in before they primary him outta there anyway.
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A ton of people? This is like saying who cares about Andrew Tate, Tucker Carlson, etc. as far as influence on the left. I'm not saying he's as toxic by any means but he has a lot of influence on how people think.
 
Fair point on Piker.

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Hegseth accused of war crimes in newly filed articles of impeachment

House Democrats will introduce five articles of impeachment against Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth on Wednesday, accusing him of abuse of power, war crimes and other serious wrongdoing.The measure introduced by Rep. Yassamin Ansari (D-AZ), along with eight Democratic co-sponsors, faces virtually...
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They're trying for Hegseth next. Impeachment articles and congressional hearings (and as part of the continued Trump-Epstein coverup) accelerated Noem and Bondi leaving the cabinet, maybe this + how terrible this Iran war is will help push him out.
 

"Analilia Mejia has won a special election in New Jersey’s 11th District, allowing Democrats to further narrow Republicans’ razor-thin majority in the US House.

Mejia will defeat Republican Joe Hathaway, a member of the Randolph Township council. She will fill the remainder of the term for the seat Mikie Sherrill vacated after being elected New Jersey governor in November.

When Mejia is sworn in, Johnson will only be able to afford a single GOP defection on party-line votes and still pass legislation. The partisan breakdown will stand at 217 Republicans, 214 Democrats, one independent and three seats vacant.

Hathaway and Mejia are both also running in their party’s June primaries for a full two-year term that would start in January."
 
The Trump-GOP scheme to take the Scott Walker strategy national might not be working out as they hoped (needed?). That party appears doomed without gerrymandering. This off-cycle has seen examples of these reversals in TX, CA, etc. Yesterday was the biggest. Rather than a closed-door thing, the Dems there put it to a referendum and the people voted for new maps.

Along with the polling, the special elections results, etc, this will probably account for another 3 or 4 Dem seats in November.
 
How do Mainers feel about AI data centers? Mills vetoed a ban on them. If there's still some of an independent streak left over there, Platner will/should get the nomination. Then, hopefully, that independence can carryover just enough to not vote for Very Concerned Lady for a the 24th time.
 
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