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Well, in his latest interview (last month, I think) he clarified his previous comments on the scene by saying that Tony *could* have died in that scene not that he *did* die. I'm with Imperioli, it goes black it's over. Maybe he's dead. Maybe he isn't?
 
AA484 said:
Well, in his latest interview (last month, I think) he clarified his previous comments on the scene by saying that Tony *could* have died in that scene not that he *did* die. I'm with Imperioli, it goes black it's over. Maybe he's dead. Maybe he isn't?
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The moment and the question has been contested among fans for years. That stops now. Finally, in a new interview with The Hollywood Reporter, David Chase (the production's creator) finally gave a clear-cut answer regarding Tony's fate:

"Because the scene I had in my mind was not that scene. Nor did I think of cutting to black. I had a scene in which Tony comes back from a meeting in New York in his car. At the beginning of every show, he came from New York into New Jersey, and the last scene could be him coming from New Jersey back into New York for a meeting at which he was going to be killed. Yeah. But I think I had this notion—I was driving on Ocean Park Boulevard near the airport and I saw a little restaurant. It was kind of like a shack that served breakfast. And for some reason I thought, “Tony should get it in a place like that.” Why? I don’t know. That was, like, two years before."

idk you can't walk that back
 
Just watched the Many Saints of Newark and it did a pretty decent job of establishing the universe.

Now that I've seen everything, I can confidently say that the best episode in the entire series is the season 3 episode where Paulie and Christopher get lost in the woods.
 
909 said:
The moment and the question has been contested among fans for years. That stops now. Finally, in a new interview with The Hollywood Reporter, David Chase (the production's creator) finally gave a clear-cut answer regarding Tony's fate:

"Because the scene I had in my mind was not that scene. Nor did I think of cutting to black. I had a scene in which Tony comes back from a meeting in New York in his car. At the beginning of every show, he came from New York into New Jersey, and the last scene could be him coming from New Jersey back into New York for a meeting at which he was going to be killed. Yeah. But I think I had this notion—I was driving on Ocean Park Boulevard near the airport and I saw a little restaurant. It was kind of like a shack that served breakfast. And for some reason I thought, “Tony should get it in a place like that.” Why? I don’t know. That was, like, two years before."

idk you can't walk that back
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I think a fiction writer can walk back anything they never ended up writing.
 
One Epic Winter (OEW) said:
Just watched the Many Saints of Newark and it did a pretty decent job of establishing the universe.

Now that I've seen everything, I can confidently say that the best episode in the entire series is the season 3 episode where Paulie and Christopher get lost in the woods.
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Yes! Pine Barrens is a great episode. One of the best self contained episodes ever on television, imo. Like the ending, the deliberate leaving open the fate of the Russian adds to the realness of the show. Real life rarely has nice, clear answers; why would a tv series that helped normalize men's mental health treatment be any different? I wish ABC had let David Lynch have this freedom with Twin Peaks. It is ok (good even!) to not know everything and every conclusion wrapped up with a bow.

My favorite remains the 2 episode Kevin Finnerty arc.
 
snuffbox said:
I think a fiction writer can walk back anything they never ended up writing.
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Yeah, I think Chase did a pretty good of clarifying that if he wasn’t whacked at that exact moment then Tony was a dead man walking and was going to have to live the rest of his life (however short or long) with immense fear of being whacked at any moment.
 
I've seen episodes here and there when the show originally was on but never watched it seriously. I've been finally watching it the last few days. I've got a couple episodes left in the second season. Really enjoying it. Reading 909's reviews as I go. I agree with a lot of what he's saying except I think Hersh is amusing if only because he's a great parody. The scene where he knew all about the hospital and medical stuff was the most cliche old Jewish guy stuff.

The Soprano family dynamic is the best part of the show because aside from the stuff where they try to kill each other it's really realistic. The resentment and manipulation, bursts of anger etc. Livia and Janice remind me of my Paternal Grandmother and the way Tony lashes out as his kids (especially AJ) is a lot like my Dad. The blank looks of incomprehension Tony and Carmela have at times when the kids say things to them is great.

Everything Paulie does is hysterical. The Junior/pussyeating bit had me in stitches.
 
cobainwasmurdered said:
I've seen episodes here and there when the show originally was on but never watched it seriously. I've been finally watching it the last few days. I've got a couple episodes left in the second season. Really enjoying it. Reading 909's reviews as I go. I agree with a lot of what he's saying except I think Hersh is amusing if only because he's a great parody. The scene where he knew all about the hospital and medical stuff was the most cliche old Jewish guy stuff.

The Soprano family dynamic is the best part of the show because aside from the stuff where they try to kill each other it's really realistic. The resentment and manipulation, bursts of anger etc. Livia and Janice remind me of my Paternal Grandmother and the way Tony lashes out as his kids (especially AJ) is a lot like my Dad. The blank looks of incomprehension Tony and Carmela have at times when the kids say things to them is great.

Everything Paulie does is hysterical. The Junior/pussyeating bit had me in stitches.
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I'm now on episode 8 "Mergers and Acquisitions" of Season 4, so I'm powering through the show pretty fast. I fully understand why "Pine Barrens" is everyone's favorite episode. The funeral/wake for Livia with Janice making it all about her and the awkwardness is my favorite thing in the whole series though. Just feels very real. A lot of the family dynamic stuff is great.

There's a few bad actors in the show at times that hurt things (Jackie Jr) but I'm enjoying this a ton. I don't know where I'd rank it all-time yet, but I'm sure it'll be on the short list with "The Wire" and "Homicide".
 
All I can say is holy shit

Now you’ll finally understand the references.

What did you think of the Christopher episode in Season four (episode three)?
 
I thought it was pretty funny. The outrage they all had over it and Tony gradually getting fed up over it and seeming to realize how stupid it was was great. Of course he only realized this because he got used. Lots of great jokes. The Italian-American shrink who is always ashamed of his roots cracks me up every time. The mobsters getting driven off by a bunch of protesters. Artie cowering in the car. Tony trying to call in all these favours and failing showing the limits of his power was also interesting.
 
Long Term Parking is one of the greatest tv show episodes in history. Curious to see your reaction to it. I wish I could go back and rewatch it blind going in again.
 
geniusMoment said:
Long Term Parking is one of the greatest tv show episodes in history. Curious to see your reaction to it. I wish I could go back and rewatch it blind going in again.
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Watched this last night. Great episode. Basically everyone are such terrible human beings. I wish Ade had turned on the whole family but that was never going to happen given she was a victim of abuse. Chris is a victim in a sense given he was brought up to be this way but like Tony he's completely unlikeable.

I think season 5 is the weakest of the seasons but still great. I talked about this with @909 in the chat last night but the lack of a real overarching foil for the season for Tony hurt it. Tony B is fun but he isn't used that great. A lot of the plots felt like they'd vanish for a couple episodes at a time. The whole separation plot that was the main arc of the season isn't as compelling as other seasons stories even though it has some fun moments. 909 and AA told me there were problems with cast members and things that caused the season to not go as planned.
 
I remember Season 5 being my favorite on "live" watch. I never really saw it as disjointed, even on rewatches, but I did find it funny that this cousin Tony was so close to was never mentioned in the previous 4 seasons, but I guess that is a lifestyle where "out of sight, out of mind" is very much a thing (as well as "what have you done for me lately").
 
Everything Animal Blundetto did sets up the last seasons of the show
 
Wasn't expecting Christopher to go out quite like that but it was obvious Tony was DONE with him. The AJ suicide attempt was really triggering for me. Two eps left.
 
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