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Randomly asking:

Do soap characters count for the sake of this conversation? Given that a soap character can be on for over 30 years, it would seem unfair to compare them to characters in conventional episodic television shows.
 

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Big Green said:
Randomly asking:

Do soap characters count for the sake of this conversation? Given that a soap character can be on for over 30 years, it would seem unfair to compare them to characters in conventional episodic television shows.
Stop. Just stop.
 

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Corey_Lazarus said:
Booth and Brennan on "Bones."

Tony and McGhee on NCIS.
The first one is pretty interesting, given that I thought that Deschanel and Boreanz had close to zero chemisty initially. But somewhere in season 2 it clicked.

Always felt that for a sitcom character, Rachel from Friends had a pretty good story arc. The show may have went 2 seasons too long (obviously more if you hated the show) but you could see that she actually matured throughout the series.
 

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I'll also second the nomination of Tony in NCIS (not as agreeable on McGee though).

He went from merely the playful jokester to the right hand man for NCIS Director Sheppard to NCIS Group Leader and still carries around that hard nosed edge even though Gibbs is back as leader. The great thing is that Tony made a very believable leader/replacement when
Gibbs left
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Spaceman Spiff said:
Big Green said:
Randomly asking:

Do soap characters count for the sake of this conversation? Given that a soap character can be on for over 30 years, it would seem unfair to compare them to characters in conventional episodic television shows.
Stop. Just stop.

What? It was a logical question!

You could even include wrestling characters in this. The topic is a bit vague.

But in order to avoid conflict, I'll throw in a serious answer:

The Fonz from Happy Days

From street wise thug with an edge to an over the top cartoon character with superhero abilities.
 

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Spaceman Spiff said:
Sawyer from Lost.

Jack's character development is sort of the backbone of that show. Over the course of the series, he's gone from a rational "man of science" to a guy who's willing to believe that detonating a hydrogen bomb will reset the lives of him and friends to three years in the past. And as with pro wrestlers, the stages of his development have been helpfully marked by changes in facial hair.
 

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HarleyQuinn said:
I'll also second the nomination of Tony in NCIS (not as agreeable on McGee though).

He went from merely the playful jokester to the right hand man for NCIS Director Sheppard to NCIS Group Leader and still carries around that hard nosed edge even though Gibbs is back as leader. The great thing is that Tony made a very believable leader/replacement when
Gibbs left
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Oh, c'mon, McGhee's character went from uber-safe computer nerd to being able to fire jokes directly back at Tony. He went from quiet and shy newbie to the only person Abby seems to genuinely trust working with her on computer forensics. Not to mention that once he actually had to discharge his weapon in the field he seemed to man up more often than not.

And we can't forget about Tony's relationship with Kate, and then Ziva. They both went from borderline sexual harassment suit (or, in Ziva's case, a snapping of the neck) to going above and beyond the call of duty to cover one another's ass. Especially with Ziva, if you've seen the first few episodes of this season.
 

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CBright said:
I've also noticed in Batman: The Animated Series that Bruce seems to be a lot happier. Sure, he's still a hard ass, but occasionally laughed and smiled. By the time we get to The New Batman Adventures (set three years after BTAS), Bruce is more dark, brooding, grumpy, and could be a straight up asshole if he wanted to be (see: Old Wounds). And thats the way he stayed from then on out.

I like this point. I also loved how they showed Bruce out of the Batman guise less and less as the series' went on. As if to say he doesn't even bother "keeping up appearances" anymore, and is just full into his role as the Dark Knight.
 

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Corey_Lazarus said:
Oh, c'mon, McGhee's character went from uber-safe computer nerd to being able to fire jokes directly back at Tony. He went from quiet and shy newbie to the only person Abby seems to genuinely trust working with her on computer forensics. Not to mention that once he actually had to discharge his weapon in the field he seemed to man up more often than not.

And we can't forget about Tony's relationship with Kate, and then Ziva. They both went from borderline sexual harassment suit (or, in Ziva's case, a snapping of the neck) to going above and beyond the call of duty to cover one another's ass. Especially with Ziva, if you've seen the first few episodes of this season.

Well, McGee is the only qualified computer expert in the group outside of Abby, so it'd make sense that Abby would trust McGee to help out (not to mention they supposedly have been on/off relationship wise). I'll give you the fact that McGee's also stepped it up when in the field and that he's grown more comfortable around Tony to be able to joke with him. Even in the first episode that McGee heard about Abby, there was mutual interest on Abby's part as well so I think the fact that she trusts McGee is a byproduct of their other relationship.

Good call on the relationships Tony has had with Kate and Ziva. I think his relationship with Ziva has been really well built to the point that
Tony (and McGee) literally risk their lives to help save Ziva this season
even in the face of what happened last season.
 

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Bayliss from Homicide. From rookie to jaded detective in- what, seven seasons? Great development on his character.
 

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Tobias Beecher - OZ. Went from pussy Harvard educated attorney getting raped by a skinhead to heroin addict shitting on the skinhead's face and biting off dicks to Chris Keller's bottom boy, etc.
 

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The Sopranos had the best and most realistic character development since nobody ever actually really changed and whenever it looked like one of them was about to "learn something about life" or "become a better person" they quickly pulled back and took the path of least resistance and stayed shitty and vindictive and just generally awful human beings, which is how things typically go In Real Life.
 

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Its true that a lot of Wire characters had development but Bubbles is definitely a huge standout and really the heart of the show. Its true that a lot of folks like Greggs and Freeman had some development but they still largely stayed the same people from beginning to end.

But another one that stands out to me but probably gets forgotten is Carver. Its a side story but seeing him go from being Herc's comic relief running buddy to a real cop who cares about the community is a story I really enjoyed the second time I watched the show. Its especially revealing when played against Herc who stays the same dumbass making mistake after mistake but falling backwards into more personal success each season. Carver stays a grunt cop (with stripes or without) fighting the good fight but becoming a better one with each season. S4 Daniels recommending him to Prez as a good cop and them having the "Carver?" "He's changed. He's come a long way." conversation is a good example of that, I think. Of course Carver foolishly tries to help Herc and trust him and it ends up biting Carver in the ass, getting Marlo's crew off the hook, and screwing Randy. And of course Carver carries the weight of that mistake while Herc falls backwards into the profitable law firm gig.

Those are the two standouts to me on the show. Lots of guys fall, rise, or stumble but those are the two ones I like watching for 5 seasons grow as characters. McNulty would fall in there for the first 4 seasons if he didn't just fly off the reservation in S5.
 

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Victor Samuel Mackey.

As mentioned Bubbles' arc was tremendous.

Let me throw Al Swearengen in the mix. From straight up heel at the start of Deadwood's run to the main face in the battle with Hearst.
 

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#1 Gay said:
The Sopranos had the best and most realistic character development since nobody ever actually really changed and whenever it looked like one of them was about to "learn something about life" or "become a better person" they quickly pulled back and took the path of least resistance and stayed shitty and vindictive and just generally awful human beings, which is how things typically go In Real Life.

I would generally agree. I think the only character development was that they grew more comfortable being shitty human beings. For example, Carmella was in denial about being a gold digging whore at the start of the show, but by the end she'd embraced it.
 

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And the longer the show went on the more out of touch Tony got with technology and modern culture.
 
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