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WWE Judgment Day - May 17 2009

Sabre said:
I think Benoits neck was due for surgery before then, but the superplex caused enough damage to cause a rushed finish.
Which would make sense... if it were a singles match. It was not. Jericho was the other guy, standing right there, healthy as a horse. Even if Benoit couldn't continue, they couldn't just cart him out on a stretcher while the other Chris improvised a new finish with Austin? Instead, we got one of the most nonsensical endings ever, with a guy who just took a move pinning the guy who just did the move to him.
 
Benoit's neck got fucked after the diving headbutt through a table spot from TLC 3.
 
I always heard it was the diving headbutt off the cage. Or maybe I'm confusing that with Angle fucking his neck up with the moonsault off the cage in the same match. Either way, Benoit was doing a lot of hellaciously dangerous stunts in a very short period of time, and it definitely caught up with him.
 
After watching the end of the WHC match again I see that it was more of an Edgucation from the top rope then a suplex. I must have been browsing the net or paying attention to something else when it was happening live and all I heard was a comment about how that was a devastating suplex, thus the earlier comment.
 
at KOTR 2001, didn't Benoit actually superplex Jericho, leading to Austin pinning Benoit?
 
...did he? Hang on.

::clicky clicky Youtube::

Well damn, you're right. Which makes, like, equally little sense. Why pin the guy who just did the move, instead of Jericho who just took the move?
 
No, I'm pretty sure Benoit suplexed Austin, which made the finish all the more stranger since Austin covered Benoit off of that. Technically, it wasn't a superplex but just a back suplex off the top.

Edit: Nevermind :(
 
Yeah, it still makes no sense, not trying to argue that at all. I was there live, and I just remember going "....Wha? That's it, really?"
 
Both people usually sell the superplex spot. Because, you know, you're both falling from the top rope. It hurts and stuff.
 
That finish at KOTR was done because they were going to be giving Benoit some time off and they had to manufacture a spot to sell that he would be out of action for awhile. So basically, he was already injured, but they worked that superplex spot to make it look like that was what really injured him, hence the odd (planned) finish.
 
Why don't you want a torrent? They're much better than direct downloads.
 
The streams are getting hammered. There were four or five replays of Backlash last month all day Monday, it's about impossible to find one today.
 
Sabre said:
Adam said:
Why don't you want a torrent? They're much better than direct downloads.

^o) i dont undertsand this comment. Id rather have a constant 800kbs direct speed than a potentially slow torrent.

Hmm, depends which way you look at it I guess. With downloads, they often seem to peter out to low speeds, at with with torrents you've always got people (as long as its a popular download) to leech from. I hit speeds up to 1.5mb a second on torrent.
 
Re: the KOTR 2001 finish, didn't Austin actually get hurt pretty bad off that run-in by Booker T? IIRC he was out for about a month afterwards (hence the Kurt Angle hugging skits) and I always figured that was the reasoning behind the odd finish to the 3-way.
 
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

Figured when Punk did that clean of a job he'd be coming out later, either to challenge for a title or just do a run-in to cost someone a match. Punk did have a lot of heat prior to a recent interview, even though he was mostly smart politically in the answers he gave; one possible misstep was the comment that Evan Bourne was better than DiBiase or Rhodes. However, an answer that almost certainly did him no favors was when he was asked if he ever thought that he and Samoa Joe would be both be world champions and he said yes. From day one Punk when was brought up to the roster, Dave was always told that Punk has so much heat but when the reasons were explained, Dave felt they were always 'trivial and stupid'. However, for whatever reason, and Dave speculates on several, Punk just has heat. Dave reckons a primary reason is that Punk is seen has being too confident in himself, but then he points out that every wrestler who is really good as great confidence in themselves, which is part of what makes them really good. Dave does say it might be justified because he hears from people knocking Punk who are not petty and usually get along with everyone.

Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be. Also comments that it's almost a rule of thumb to beat people in their hometowns. Dave then brings up an interesting point. Punk was the Grand Marshal of the Thanksgiving Day Parade in Chicago last year, and it's a mainstream deal. WWE is a company that is desperate for mainstream publicity of any kind, and when Chicago did that for Punk, WWE would have been smart to protect the guy and not beat him in his hometown as he could have a been a big hometown hero who could get mainstream publicity for them.
 
Papacita said:
Re: the KOTR 2001 finish, didn't Austin actually get hurt pretty bad off that run-in by Booker T? IIRC he was out for about a month afterwards (hence the Kurt Angle hugging skits) and I always figured that was the reasoning behind the odd finish to the 3-way.

Thats right, he mentions it on the "What?" dvd that he was pretty messed up so they put him and Angle together just to keep him on camera.
 
I just finished watching the show (except I skipped over Show-Cena), and I have to say it was one of the better PPVs the E has put on in a long time. The first 90 minutes or so were awesome. Jericho-Rey was definitely the MOTN and I can't wait for a rematch/series between the two. I'm looking forward to rematches between Shelton-Morrison and Punk-Umaga as well. The great crowd made the show even better.
 
Jingus said:
JHawk said:
I'm not sure a PPV has ever ended with a superplex.
One of the odder PPV finishes I've ever seen, like the women's 3-way at Mania 19 which ended with a boot to the stomach.

It was a "Chick kick". Maybe it was not well executed but the match was supposed to end with Trish's finisher.
 
HTQ said:
Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be.

Asinine.
 
sbofn said:
HTQ said:
Dave thinks that, ultimately, Punk lost because they were in Chicago and Punk was super over and the mindset was that Punk was more over than he should be.

Asinine.
"But we don't want people to like him!"
 
If that's the case, why bother putting him over Edge or having him win MITB?
 
So they can have him established enough to slap the belt back on him and make a point that thier top guy is drug free the next time people bitch about drugs.
 
HTQ said:
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
 
JPopStarKami said:
HTQ said:
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.

I'm still amazed Punk hasn't been fired. Every other slow news week he gets buried, the guy must have so much heat on him it's untrue! I for one as an internet wrestling fan am continually outraged.
 
JPopStarKami said:
HTQ said:
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
Meltzer is idly speculating but you're not?

I love how the people who bitch about the 'Punk is being buried' thing are the ones kicking up the biggest fuss over this. Most people accept it as part of the fickle business that is wrestling. Yet the ones who make the biggest noise are those who think they're too cool to care about someone they think is the latest internet fad.
 
HTQ said:
JPopStarKami said:
HTQ said:
RE: The Punk finish

From Meltzer on the post-JD WOR:

tl;dr Punk is being berried!

*facepalm*

Not this shit again.

He lost because they're building a feud, not because they want to bury him. Meltzer's idle speculation is just an attempt to get news again by saying X internet star has heat.
Meltzer is idly speculating but you're not?

I love how the people who bitch about the 'Punk is being buried' thing are the ones kicking up the biggest fuss over this. Most people accept it as part of the fickle business that is wrestling. Yet the ones who make the biggest noise are those who think they're too cool to care about someone they think is the latest internet fad.

No, I'm not idly speculating. Have you seen Smackdown? They're continuing his feud with Umaga. Now, if Punk loses again to him that'll be more of a burial, but it doesn't seem like it will go that way, since they've been making him look like a threat to the championship in the past weeks.

As far as me making a big fuss, I'm just stating my opinion on what Meltzer said, that's all. I'm not trying to make a 'big fuss'.
 
No one actually said they think Punk is being buried. Meltzer said that it could be a reason, yes, but then said he disagreed with that. Who actually has said they think the finish was designed to bury Punk? Take him down a notch? Maybe.
 
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