Black Lives Matter Enough For A Thread

[Mickey Massuco]

I thought BLM was stupid and I was in the "all lives matter" camp until someone told me an excellent analogy that changed my mind.
Say you work in a factory, with the same skills, same experience, doing the same job as everyone else, and you find out you're getting paid $5/hr less than everyone else.
So you go to your boss and say "I think I deserve equal wages". And your boss says "I think everyone deserves equal wages, don't you?"
And you might say "Well, yes, that's basically my point...but this conversation is about me, because I'm the one not getting equal wages here."
Your boss tries to make a case that you're being selfish by making the conversation about just you deserving equal wages, but in reality your boss is completely missing the point about what the real problem is.
That's how BLM folks feel when someone says "All lives matter!"

from reddit, that's a decent analogy.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

what do you guys think of this:

I’m not saying that the police in these specific cases are free of racial bias. I can’t answer that question. But what the data does suggest is that eliminating the biases of all police officers would do little to materially reduce the total number of African-American killings. Police bias may well be a significant problem, but in accounting for why some of these encounters turn into killings, it is swamped by other, bigger problems that plague our society, our economy and our criminal justice system.

Arrest data lets us measure this possibility. For the entire country, 28.9 percent of arrestees were African-American. This number is not very different from the 31.8 percent of police-shooting victims who were African-Americans. If police discrimination were a big factor in the actual killings, we would have expected a larger gap between the arrest rate and the police-killing rate.

Police Killings of Blacks: Here Is What the Data Say (Published 2015)

The race problem revealed by the statistics on both killings and arrests of blacks reflects something larger: the structure of our society, our laws and policies.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Damaramu]

Is the arrest rate higher because they're black though?

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Of course, but that's still a separate issue from the police killing. I know we need to demilitarize the police and take a lot out of their budget and put it towards better ways at dealing with tough situations. But people shouldn't think that will end racism, that shit is rooted in almost every institution. That's the main point I took out of it, that eradicating racism needs to look at all the different aspects of our society, not just policing. But obviously that's a super important part of it.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

http://fox43.com/2016/07/07/multiple-officers-shot-at-black-lives-matter-protest-in-dallas/

 

[snuffbox]

Fucking fuck.

 

[Gert]

It sounds like the two suspects are in custody now.

 

[NoCalMike]

I thought BLM was stupid and I was in the "all lives matter" camp until someone told me an excellent analogy that changed my mind.
Say you work in a factory, with the same skills, same experience, doing the same job as everyone else, and you find out you're getting paid $5/hr less than everyone else.
So you go to your boss and say "I think I deserve equal wages". And your boss says "I think everyone deserves equal wages, don't you?"
And you might say "Well, yes, that's basically my point...but this conversation is about me, because I'm the one not getting equal wages here."
Your boss tries to make a case that you're being selfish by making the conversation about just you deserving equal wages, but in reality your boss is completely missing the point about what the real problem is.
That's how BLM folks feel when someone says "All lives matter!"

from reddit, that's a decent analogy.

I would just sum it up by saying BLM is more saying that "BLM too", not "Only BLM." It's a plea to the country to stop allowing their voices & lives to be marginalized. It has nothing to do with hating white folks, or only being concerned about black lives. And for fuck's sake the right-wing pundits damn well know this which is so frustrating, but they look at BLM as a way to flame the fire and turn out in increasing scared & paranoid base of voters.

Trying to claim that they only care about black lives, would be like showing up to a breast cancer awareness rally and yelling "All Cancer Matters"

Just saw the news about the shootings in Dallas. Ugh..............UGH.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Well fuck. This is nuts.

 

[MFer]

Obviously a tragedy and obviously NOT the way to get justice. And you know damn well certain people are gonna use this as another excuse to paint all black people with the same brush and also justify the shootings from the other night.

 

[still fly]

My Facebook feed is atrocious right now. Killing innocent people is wrong no matter what side you are on.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/joe-walsh-war-obama-black-lives-matter-dallas-article-1.2703883

This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

He deleted that one but he's still going nuts right now about how Obama has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS and that it's all his fault.



2016 is the worst fucking year and it's barely half over.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

lots of anger over this.

Also, they haven't released any info about the shooters so still early to guess at who they are and motivations.

 

[Gary]

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/joe-walsh-war-obama-black-lives-matter-dallas-article-1.2703883

This is now war. Watch out Obama. Watch out black lives matter punks. Real America is coming after you."

He deleted that one but he's still going nuts right now about how Obama has BLOOD ON HIS HANDS and that it's all his fault.



2016 is the worst fucking year and it's barely half over.

I thought for a second "the dude from the Eagles hates Obama and Black Lives Matter?"

 

[Mickey Massuco]

erm

 

[snuffbox]

Matt Drudge is working this like Matt Drudge

 

[vivisectvi]

I thought BLM was stupid and I was in the "all lives matter" camp until someone told me an excellent analogy that changed my mind.
Say you work in a factory, with the same skills, same experience, doing the same job as everyone else, and you find out you're getting paid $5/hr less than everyone else.
So you go to your boss and say "I think I deserve equal wages". And your boss says "I think everyone deserves equal wages, don't you?"
And you might say "Well, yes, that's basically my point...but this conversation is about me, because I'm the one not getting equal wages here."
Your boss tries to make a case that you're being selfish by making the conversation about just you deserving equal wages, but in reality your boss is completely missing the point about what the real problem is.
That's how BLM folks feel when someone says "All lives matter!"

from reddit, that's a decent analogy.

I would just sum it up by saying BLM is more saying that "BLM too", not "Only BLM." It's a plea to the country to stop allowing their voices & lives to be marginalized. It has nothing to do with hating white folks, or only being concerned about black lives. And for fuck's sake the right-wing pundits damn well know this which is so frustrating, but they look at BLM as a way to flame the fire and turn out in increasing scared & paranoid base of voters.

Trying to claim that they only care about black lives, would be like showing up to a breast cancer awareness rally and yelling "All Cancer Matters"

Just saw the news about the shootings in Dallas. Ugh..............UGH.

Anyone who comes out with this "all lives matter" garbage on Facebook, I just post this photo and hope that they get it.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

I'm a black ex-cop, and this is the real truth about race and policing

Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission: to help everyone understand our complicated world, so that we can all help shape it. In text, video and audio, our reporters explain politics, policy, world affairs, technology, culture, science, the climate crisis, money...

www.vox.com

This is a good article from a black former police officer talking about a life in the day. Lots of sad shit in this one.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

 

[Mickey Massuco]

More people died at the hands of cops in America in the first 24 days of last year than in the last 24 years in England and Wales.

 

[BlackFlagg]

I thought BLM was stupid and I was in the "all lives matter" camp until someone told me an excellent analogy that changed my mind.
Say you work in a factory, with the same skills, same experience, doing the same job as everyone else, and you find out you're getting paid $5/hr less than everyone else.
So you go to your boss and say "I think I deserve equal wages". And your boss says "I think everyone deserves equal wages, don't you?"
And you might say "Well, yes, that's basically my point...but this conversation is about me, because I'm the one not getting equal wages here."
Your boss tries to make a case that you're being selfish by making the conversation about just you deserving equal wages, but in reality your boss is completely missing the point about what the real problem is.
That's how BLM folks feel when someone says "All lives matter!"

from reddit, that's a decent analogy.

Thought this was another good one

 

[snuffbox]

How do so many people struggle to recognize that the BLM case doesnt rest on wanting other people killed? How can some people, who can, at the very least walk upright, not hold both "black people shouldnt be assassinated by police" and "innocent police officers shouldn't be assassinated by their fellows" as two equal and self-evident truths? It is staggering that so many are confused by this. It is awful hard to keep up a house of cards when the suits are delusion, hatred, anger, and deliberate ignorance.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

How do so many people struggle to recognize that the BLM case doesnt rest on wanting other people killed? How can some people, who can, at the very least walk upright, not hold both "black people shouldnt be assassinated by police" and "innocent police officers shouldn't be assassinated by their fellows" as two equal and self-evident truths? It is staggering that so many are confused by this. It is awful hard to keep up a house of cards when the suits are delusion, hatred, anger, and deliberate ignorance.

 

[snuffbox]

Jordan fucking Lee!

 

[Gary]

In a moment in bizarro world, Newt Gingrich of all people says the normal white American doesn't understand what many black people face in this country.

 

[Precious Roy]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/07/08/3796589/dallas-misidentified-suspect/

On Thursday night, during the police protests in Dallas that erupted in gunfire, a black man legally carrying a gun was mistaken for a suspect by city officials.

The Dallas Police Department and the Dallas Police Association, the largest union representing the city’s police department, both tweeted a photo during the event of a young, black suspect holding a gun. The photo was plastered across national news.

Under Texas law, people can legally carry openly in most public places, including on the streets where the protests occurred.


This is one of our suspects. Please help us find him! pic.twitter.com/Na5T8ZxSz6

— Dallas Police Depart (@DallasPD) July 8, 2016

The man identified in the photo, Mark Hughes, had been peacefully protesting alongside thousands of others on Thursday night. In an interview with CBS, his brother — one of the organizers of the protest — said that Hughes had no involvement in the violence. The Dallas Morning News reported that Hughes can be seen protesting in its video footage.


After learning he was wanted, Hughes turned himself in to authorities and handed over his weapon.


Hughes, like almost half of Texas residents, owns a firearm and can legally carry it in public places. On January 1 of this year, a newly passed law made Texas the 45th state to allow people to publicly carry firearms. When the law went into effect, hundreds of white Texas celebrated by openly carrying their rifles around Austin — to the convenience store, through the streets, and on the Capitol steps.

The police response to Hughes — whose photo appears to have been plastered on social media and on the news as a suspect not because of his weapon, but because of his race — is yet another example of the racial divide in our country’s gun laws. When a white person owns a gun and uses it for self defense, he’s labeled a “good guy with a gun.” When a black person does the same, however, he’s considered suspicious. And the National Rifle Association will not come to his defense.

The NRA has not responded to either of the high-profile police shootings this week — both of which occurred because the black man allegedly had a gun. Before he died in Minnesota on Wednesday night, Castile specifically told the officer that he was armed and had a legal license to carry, but was shot and killed anyway. And on Tuesday, Alton Sterling was restrained and pinned to the ground after an officer yelled: “He’s got a gun! Gun!” An officer shot him in the back and chest several times before another officer pulled the gun out of his back pocket. In Louisiana, where Sterling lived, a license is not required to openly carry a firearm.

Like Sterling and Castile, Hughes was legally carrying a firearm — he had not fired the gun, or threatened anyone with the gun. Under the NRA’s vision of an armed and happy country, he was a model citizen.

But like Sterling and Castile, he is black, so his possession of a weapon made him a criminal.

“I can’t believe it,” Hughes said in an interview Thursday night, about learning that he was a suspect in the shootings.


Even after he turned himself in and provided evidence that he was peacefully protesting, he said that police continued to act like he was guilty.

“At the end of the day, the system was trying to get me,” he said.

His brother, Cory Hughes, told CBS11 that he and Mark are “absolutely” concerned about their safety because of the threats and menacing messages they have received. For being a black man with a gun, Hughes said his brother has “already been indicted.”

 

[Mickey Massuco]

ugh

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

http://theweek.com/speedreads/636190/bodycam-footage-shows-georgia-cops-tased-wrong-man-within-38-seconds-meeting


Uhm... At least he didn't get shot?

 

[Mickey Massuco]

edit: bad link

 

[Mickey Massuco]

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