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‘Dark Side of the Ring’ Season 4 Sets Premiere Date at Vice TV
“Dark Side of the Ring” Season 4 has set its premiere date at Vice TV. The fourth season of the popular pro wrestling docuseries, which will consist of 10 episodes, will debut on May 30…
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Season 4 premieres May 30. One episode will focus on Marty Jannetty!
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BATB ‘00 is nearing Montreal Screwjob levels of being overtalked about but otherwise down for this!
There needs to be a Hardbody Harrison episode if they do a Season 5. The Johnny K-9 episode last season had me hoping they would tackle some more obscure topics.
There needs to be a Hardbody Harrison episode if they do a Season 5. The Johnny K-9 episode last season had me hoping they would tackle some more obscure topics.
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I'd like to see one on the fall of Chikara and Mike Quackenbush.
Ian Rotten/IwaMS and all the shit they pulled.
The rise and fall of Rob Feinstein.
some good lucha stuff because they haven't really gotten into that.
The rise and fall of Rob Feinstein.
some good lucha stuff because they haven't really gotten into that.
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Let's do a Bill Watts one for his racism. I just want a recreation of Cowboy pissing off the edge of the CNN tower balcony.
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Just watched the Chris Candido and Tammy episode...Christ, that may be one of the saddest.
Paul Heyman gets a free pass for fucking up countless peoples lives. Real hero that guy
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i felt like this one skipped over a lot of stuff and was really lacking a lot of sources especially on the Sunny side of things. Still an interesting episode but very uneven.
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The one producer was on Corny's pod. He said they have been on and off trying to get Sunny to film for this episode but she kept getting in trouble and her lawyers told her not to do a documentary covering what a fuck up she is.
Found the Magnum episode pretty boring tbh. I was hoping they'd talk about the Mr Wrestling II angle and the Tully match but really they fast forwarded through his entire career aside from Dusty's impact and the Nikita feud. A lot of talk about how if he hadn't gotten hurt then the NWA would have been able to stay in business and compete with Vince which I have to say is really over optimistic to me. They might have gotten a couple more years of good business but the end result was always going to be the same.
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I'll stick with that he's probably one of the guys who quits in early 88 as the checks bounce or at best he's out with Dusty in early 89. Either way he's probably flushed out of the WWF system in 2-4 years and then either goes to All Japan/ECW/SMW until the Monday Night Wars makes him worth it to Vince or Eric to resign and repackage.
WCW's rotating bookers/VPs from 89-93 hurts Magnum wanting to go back in. Maybe Dusty's return as booker changes things.
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that TA gets Ronnie Garvin's World title run in 87. I'm not sure TA winning it sooner than the Bash series really fits with the reality.
Curious what Nikita becomes without TA's accident giving him an opening to turn?
When does Dusty get the itch to have Magnum turn on him?
WCW's rotating bookers/VPs from 89-93 hurts Magnum wanting to go back in. Maybe Dusty's return as booker changes things.
It's not outside the realm of possibilities that TA gets Ronnie Garvin's World title run in 87. I'm not sure TA winning it sooner than the Bash series really fits with the reality.
Curious what Nikita becomes without TA's accident giving him an opening to turn?
When does Dusty get the itch to have Magnum turn on him?
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Boners, and farts.
I can’t imagine Magnum going into the 90’s without a real overhaul on his look.
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There's a chance he leans into even more and in 89 they freshen him up by putting him in a team with Scott Hall.
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I enjoyed the doc.
Magnum's ex was the get that made this move beyond just retelling the same story we've heard. Love Bill Apter's bits too. Jake the Snake was an odd choice.
They were gentle on Magnum's fooling around. No idea why he got married when he got such a kick out sleeping with other workers ring rats and girlfriends to establish his alpha spot.
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The Grahams hit me in the feels. Several stories I forgot/never knew thanks to the extended family interviews.
I teared up at the end. I get the idea of ending the cycle totally. My Grandpa died in the 50s at least in large part from alcohol abuse. He was a farmer and owned a auctioneering business, but must have found time to drink plenty as well given his liver gave out on him.
Despite being a farmer/businessman, he must have thought of himself as hot shit, as my cousins who remember him recall him making my Grandma press his clothes each morning, along with other duties. Speaks to the general treatment of women at the time,
Grandpa died 2 years after his teenage son died in a tractor accident. This left my 8 year old Dad as the man of the house. Grandma sold off the farm, then switched gears and tried to buy back enough to run the farm again. She couldn't make it work. Dad quit school at 13 to hunt for food so they could eat (He had 2 adult sisters, but supposedly instead of helping their mother, one at least demanded her share of my Grandpa's money, which doesn't make much sense considering Grandma was only like 50 at the time and had a long runway in life ahead).
Despite having 3 adult children, Grandma stayed in the country until 1968 without even having running water. She bathed in a metal tub and shit in a bucket in winter.
Dad's Grandma also died within a few months of his dad and brother, so I have theorized this was the point where something broke inside him and made him a miserable asshole his whole life. He conned my mother into marrying him, then treated her like dirt for the next 50 plus years. He also shit talked his kids, and broke my confidence to a degree I've not yet recovered from. (We'll ignore the late night naked parents fights in this retelling of Brody's childhood trauma)
Even as he was dying and on supplemental oxygen he would still go off the tubes at home long enough to cuss us out. "You and your mother! The Blind leading the blind!" Then he died and we all pretended he was an awesome guy because he could shoot animals and fix vehicles.
I have PTSD and avoid serious arguments as much as I can.
My oldest brother took up the mantle and was a prick a lot of times to his first wife. Beat on her and cheated on her. My nieces were part of their own horror stories growing up. I saw a little of it from time to time. Now he's married to a woman the size of Moose Cholak, so he can't win any fights anymore.
He speaks in a worried manner that my nephews aren't breeding to carry on the Lutzke name, but I don't see anything worth dragging on to another generation.
I teared up at the end. I get the idea of ending the cycle totally. My Grandpa died in the 50s at least in large part from alcohol abuse. He was a farmer and owned a auctioneering business, but must have found time to drink plenty as well given his liver gave out on him.
Despite being a farmer/businessman, he must have thought of himself as hot shit, as my cousins who remember him recall him making my Grandma press his clothes each morning, along with other duties. Speaks to the general treatment of women at the time,
Grandpa died 2 years after his teenage son died in a tractor accident. This left my 8 year old Dad as the man of the house. Grandma sold off the farm, then switched gears and tried to buy back enough to run the farm again. She couldn't make it work. Dad quit school at 13 to hunt for food so they could eat (He had 2 adult sisters, but supposedly instead of helping their mother, one at least demanded her share of my Grandpa's money, which doesn't make much sense considering Grandma was only like 50 at the time and had a long runway in life ahead).
Despite having 3 adult children, Grandma stayed in the country until 1968 without even having running water. She bathed in a metal tub and shit in a bucket in winter.
Dad's Grandma also died within a few months of his dad and brother, so I have theorized this was the point where something broke inside him and made him a miserable asshole his whole life. He conned my mother into marrying him, then treated her like dirt for the next 50 plus years. He also shit talked his kids, and broke my confidence to a degree I've not yet recovered from. (We'll ignore the late night naked parents fights in this retelling of Brody's childhood trauma)
Even as he was dying and on supplemental oxygen he would still go off the tubes at home long enough to cuss us out. "You and your mother! The Blind leading the blind!" Then he died and we all pretended he was an awesome guy because he could shoot animals and fix vehicles.
I have PTSD and avoid serious arguments as much as I can.
My oldest brother took up the mantle and was a prick a lot of times to his first wife. Beat on her and cheated on her. My nieces were part of their own horror stories growing up. I saw a little of it from time to time. Now he's married to a woman the size of Moose Cholak, so he can't win any fights anymore.
He speaks in a worried manner that my nephews aren't breeding to carry on the Lutzke name, but I don't see anything worth dragging on to another generation.
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Clipping found in The Calgary Herald published in Calgary, Alberta, Canada on 4/2/1986.
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A shame we didn't get a reenactment of Bravo flipping out over a $1.00 issue with a cabbie.
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Party Marty's episode is going to be an all timer. This is the second video Hannibal released this weekend where Marty says he can't tell the story and then proceeds to tell the story without missing a beat.
I'm not sure Hennig was ever a WCW agent as he states though.
Who knew the AWA's locker room would be so fun??? Jules Strongbow told me Wahoo was a massive coke head too, and he was booking by 1987. I'm sure co-booker Ray Stevens was the sober mind of the locker room......
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Bourne episode was fine. As always, hearing from the family is/was the best part as you didn't get those talking points from shoot interviews.
I didn't know of the "murder" angle to his death. Anything is possible with people abusing drugs I guess.
Bix was upset they didn't cover his statutory rape charge that got him fired from Georgia.
I'm not sure I buy into the fact that Matt would have bought a million dollar house after 6 months of WWF money. He was on all of 3 PPVs (counting his Survivor Series 92 audience cameo) and was likely on the standard 156K a year deal if not lower. (Add in 2 years of similar pay from WCW).
I guess good financial decisions aren't a drug abusers best quality, but I'm guessing the number was exaggerated. (I understand it is a 30 year loan, but Matt was already in his late 30s at this point)
We need a Buddy Rose episode to cover how he married Matt's sister and physically abused her, and then they worked it all into their Portland feud.
I didn't know of the "murder" angle to his death. Anything is possible with people abusing drugs I guess.
Bix was upset they didn't cover his statutory rape charge that got him fired from Georgia.
I'm not sure I buy into the fact that Matt would have bought a million dollar house after 6 months of WWF money. He was on all of 3 PPVs (counting his Survivor Series 92 audience cameo) and was likely on the standard 156K a year deal if not lower. (Add in 2 years of similar pay from WCW).
I guess good financial decisions aren't a drug abusers best quality, but I'm guessing the number was exaggerated. (I understand it is a 30 year loan, but Matt was already in his late 30s at this point)
We need a Buddy Rose episode to cover how he married Matt's sister and physically abused her, and then they worked it all into their Portland feud.
leaving out the guy was a statutory rapist does sort of change how you view a person (haven't watched the ep yet though) generally so I do think that's a fair criticism.
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I'm basically at a point where I have to assume 84 percent of wrestlers from the 70s/80s fucked and sucked whoever they could without asking too many questions. So unless he went full Grizzly Smith, it doesn't move the moral compass needle.
When Corny describes fucking a couple of girls behind a dumpster in Mid South, I kind of doubt the foreplay included "Can I see your ID?". And since it was the wild west, they could largely get away with it.
I suppose I should look up the details of Bourne's case before I dig too deep of a trench for myself.
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They undersold JYD's biggest moment. At the time that he and Hayes had their blindfold dog collar steel cage match at the Superdome, their 29,000 fans drawn or whatever was one of the biggest gates of all time. Wrestling Classics had talked about it many years ago. The mid 70s was when cities finally started getting some bigger arenas, so beforehand most wrestling shows were in like 3000 seat places or smaller. Of course MSG and what not was around, but otherwise you had to run a football stadium if you wanted to try and really draw with something special.
When Hayes/JYD drew that number it stunned the wrestling country as basically no one outside of a handful of small territories knew who either guy was. JYD had been a pimp gimmick in Stampede and Hayes and Gordy had teamed and then split in feuded in Southwest or whatever that tiny southern territory was. (The hair cream angle was Buck Robley's idea BTW for those of you who need more reasons to hate on Watts).
The angle worked so well that Georgia did it again in 1981, with the exact same guys as the Birds blinded Dog again.
I'm not sure why they presented JYD's WWF run as a failure to reach the top as he was a guy in the top mix all the way from his debut until WM3.
JYD was truly crazy over right from the start. There's a match on youtube with Sarge/JYD vs Sheik/Volkoff from Philly that takes place like 2 weeks after JYD showed up and the crowd is MOLTEN for him. The fact that Dog kept getting headline slots despite getting worse in the ring and getting out of shape, missing dates and being on drugs should speak volumes.
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They cover him getting fired from the WWF for no shows.... The story I read was funnier(?). JYD was on a tour bus and took a piss on the upper deck stairs and it streamed down the stairs. This was the same timeframe Muraco was fired for asking agent Nick Bockwinkel how it felt going from AWA champ in 87 to having to stare at men's dicks when they did drug tests in 88.
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I have to question if JYD staying in Mid South would have been better outside of the big WWF money. Dog was already slowing down and Watts was blaming having to wrestle guys like OMG and Kamala for the Dog getting fatter. The rabid New Orleans crowd supposedly gave up on him after the blown knee lift spot with Mr Wrestling 2 exposed that JYD was a faker, and NO was Dog's main city.
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JYD made shots for JCP in 84 (as did the Road Warriors and Freebirds) as Dusty tried to get everything in line. JYD in JCP long term is intriguing. After 1985 though, he probably is stuck with Boogie Man in an endless feud with Paul Jones Army. I can see him making some hay first with Tully cutting racist promos and such. Flair was a babyface until Sept 85 in JCP, so Dog would have to wait until then to get some NWA title matches in Mid Atlantic towns proper.
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I have to question if JYD staying in Mid South would have been better outside of the big WWF money. Dog was already slowing down and Watts was blaming having to wrestle guys like OMG and Kamala for the Dog getting fatter. The rabid New Orleans crowd supposedly gave up on him after the blown knee lift spot with Mr Wrestling 2 exposed that JYD was a faker, and NO was Dog's main city.
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JYD made shots for JCP in 84 (as did the Road Warriors and Freebirds) as Dusty tried to get everything in line. JYD in JCP long term is intriguing. After 1985 though, he probably is stuck with Boogie Man in an endless feud with Paul Jones Army. I can see him making some hay first with Tully cutting racist promos and such. Flair was a babyface until Sept 85 in JCP, so Dog would have to wait until then to get some NWA title matches in Mid Atlantic towns proper.
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I know it would have confused the narrative, but the East West Connection split and both wound up in the WWF challenging Backlund. Ventura went back to the AWA and messed around with Mr. Saito and such and Adonis wound up in Southeastern being endorsed by Lou Thesz after their World title tournament they held during their ultra brief alliance with Georgia that was supposed to lead to a national expansion via the USA Network.
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If Spivey did get fired for pounding on Adonis, it didn't last long as he's around from late 85 to WM 4 roughly. I don't think he ever sniffed a push. Rotunda jumping to the AWA and wherever in early 86 for a hiccup probably ended any hope for the new US Express to get pushed when he came back.
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If Spivey did get fired for pounding on Adonis, it didn't last long as he's around from late 85 to WM 4 roughly. I don't think he ever sniffed a push. Rotunda jumping to the AWA and wherever in early 86 for a hiccup probably ended any hope for the new US Express to get pushed when he came back.