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What do you think of him? There's nobody that draws the ire of hip hop heads while inducing praise from them at the same time. He's pretty divisive. I haven't heard much of his stuff, but I'm going to look into his new album. To be fair, most people that hate on him just seem to be mad that he doesn't seem to live up to an ideal of what they think a hip hop star should be like. It's like problems they have are with his style and image rather than his flow and music. At the same time, a lot of the people that like him almost come off as ironic, like a lot of music fans that will like something popular for the sake of being different amongst the other elitists. That's conjecture on my part admittedly, but that's how it looks to me. They'll describe it in terms that seem superfluous and unrelated to what the actual music is about. Think Byron comparing Waka Flocka to The Stooges, for what I mean. Still, I won't judge him based on any of that, I'll give him a fair shot.

I'm curious as to what people here think.
 

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I liked Drake when his first couple mixtapes hit and when first couple singles were on the radio around 08/09. Problem with Drake is really the problem with hip hop these days. He's was pretty successful with what got him success but there is no artistic desire to really top himself. The masses love young money and that stuff, so why not just cater to that instead of taking artistic chances? He comes off as lazy and uninspired, like his music is only a stepping stone for the brand name.
 

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I don't think I agree with that assessment. To varying degrees of success admittedly, both of his albums have had real attempts to craft somethinga artistically unique.

I liked his last album a lot. The new one is good, too, but way too long. I don't have the patience to listen to it as often.
 

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Someone post the Degrassi clip where he gets a big sweatpants boner
 

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I heard this HRFY track or whatever it's called, where he raps really fast. It sounded awkward as hell and while there were a few witty lines for the most part the lyrics seemed pretty dumb. I read a pitchfork review where they said Busta Rhymes would be proud but that's what I alluded to in the first post. This is not similar at all to Busta, and I don't know why they thought it was so good. A lot of the praise for the album doesn't seem to dig too deep. They just describe what happens and automatically assume it's great, groundbreaking stuff. I think the production is gorgeous though that obviously has nothing to do with him. The Guardian review was a bit too harsh, though I agree with its sentiment; his introspection is vapid and uninteresting. I don't care at all about what he has to say.
 

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Not really, and that's one of the criticisms I don't like. People knocking him for not being 'ghetto' or 'street' enough is pretty stupid since that's never been what he's about. Kind of implicitly racist too, but I won't go down that path.
 
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[Drake]
Mind in one place, heart in another
Please pardon my brother
He’s just angry at you niggas who don't have your heart in your rap shit
And got too fuckin comfy, cause we still fuckin hungry
Young Money, got the munchies
Faded, fuckin faded, aww yeah I'm fuckin faded
They tellin’ lies about me, aww yeah i must’ve made it
Rikers Island on this flow, 8 months for that pistol
But at least they had some bad bitches workin’ in that shit hole
Ahhh, 3 visits later, I went and did it major
So fuck the judge, and the jury, and the litigator
Watchin all these kids who thought they had it figured out
And then November came, they let my nigga out




Also, you saying something is racist is hilarious in itself.



The Real TRTSMer said:
still fly said:
My dad had no problem whipping my my black ass. In fact I think black people are into corporal punishment. I remember when I was teenager, I swung at him and he landed a hook on me. My mother had no problem slapping me, getting the belt or cursing me out. My mom and dad also at times berated me and called me names. I remember getting really pissed when my dad called me a bitch one time.

I think every black person my age was raised like this. When i teach little kids I get the urge to take off my belt and start whipping ass. Is this normal or is it a black thing?

I'm not black but as a coloured kid with Asian parents I think it's similar in terms of culture and how parents treat their kids. My parents definitely weren't afraid to tell me I was being a shitheel when I was, and really dug into me sometimes. Sometimes, it was nonsensical and over the line, as it wasn't warranted. Most of the time it wasn't though, and since I was a pretty good kid it rarely happened at all. The thing is I was smart enough to know that their heart was in the right place, even if I was at odds with their method. As a result some of the really harsh verbal stuff probably fucked me up for a bit during my teenage years, but in hindsight I'm glad they did because I live my life with zero entitlement and am pretty unaffected by anything anybody throws my way, no matter how vicious or personal. It turned out to be for the best. I think for most white privileged kids that are brought up in the 'self esteem>all' style of parenting end up worse off and are generally more annoying to deal with as adults. I met a lot of people like that going to a good university, so many affluent suburban WHITES who don't know much about the real world except that they are the center of it.

They hit me a few times but that stopped pretty early when they realized it did more harm than good. What people have to understand is that parents don't know shit about being parents, so even though they simply want the best for their kids, knowing how to pull that off is pretty hard in practice. They're learning how to raise a kid just like the kid is learning how to live their life. Stuff like what Dressup said though is pretty fucked. Also, getting locked in the basement? That's just straight up abuse and the kind of thing I'd expect to hear in the news.
 

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White suburban kids ranking and evaluating black men based on their level of comformity to a stereotype is the most charming thing about being a hip hop fan.
 
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Poptones said:
White suburban kids ranking and evaluating black men based on their level of comformity to a stereotype is the most charming thing about being a hip hop fan.

It's not even in just hip hop. It's in every form of music. Some people not liking current country because it's not "country" enough. Some people not liking some new metal because it's not "metal" enough. It's the same for every genre.
 

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I don't much care for Drake, but if someone feels they have to hold a rapper's alleged posturing against him, then why like rap at all?
 

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Poptones said:
White suburban kids ranking and evaluating black men based on their level of comformity to a stereotype is the most charming thing about being a hip hop fan.
Jaxxxson Mayhem said:
Poptones said:
White suburban kids ranking and evaluating black men based on their level of comformity to a stereotype is the most charming thing about being a hip hop fan.

It's not even in just hip hop. It's in every form of music. Some people not liking current country because it's not "country" enough. Some people not liking some new metal because it's not "metal" enough. It's the same for every genre.

What? No it isn't.
 

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Incandenza said:
I don't much care for Drake, but if someone feels they have to hold a rapper's alleged posturing against him, then why like rap at all?

This post isn't quite Incandenza enough
 

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I'm reserving my rage for the thread for people who are afraid to go out in public unless someone's there to guide them.
 

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Jaxxxson Mayhem said:
It's not even in just hip hop. It's in every form of music. Some people not liking current country because it's not "country" enough. Some people not liking some new metal because it's not "metal" enough. It's the same for every genre.
There's a difference between saying a rapper isn't "street enough" in their personal life and hardcore country fans/metalheads loathing modern forms of their musical preferences for being streamlined bastardizations of the music they love.
 

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There are an extremely small number of actual rappers that actually are street. Most of these guys, come from pretty artistic backgrounds.
 

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What do you mean by that, still fly?
 

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I thought it was pretty lame the way he ran Banky off the board.
 
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It looks like Drake is gonna leave Young Money. There is speculation that he's leaving to join Roc Nation, but he should prob just start his own label since he's that big.
 
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