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Well, sir, I'll have you know that I watched Bloody Hell (2020) on your suggestion, and...I really, really enjoyed the hell out of it. This is barely a horror film, mind you, but definitely uses horror tropes mixed with some clever storytelling tricks and editing to produce a quality result. I won't say it isn't horror, but it's more horror-adjacent, like a second cousin.

Rex (Ben O'Toole) is a combat veteran who found himself as a hero during an armed bank robbery. As a result of his actions, however, he is sentenced to 8 years in prison. Upon release, he decides to travel abroad, hoping for a place where he isn't hounded by paparazzi due to his highly publicized case, choosing Finland. Once there, he is drugged and captured by a psychopathic family, one hiding a dark and monstrous secret.

The regular use of flashbacks to the bank robbery, each one relaying more information than the last, are some of the best uses of the tool I've seen in a very, very long time. They are energetic, extremely well placed within the story, and each new reveal leads into the next moment of Rex's tenure as a prisoner of the family. In addition to the flashbacks, we see Rex's Conscience (also played by O'Toole) debating him and offering advice, sometimes for the better and sometimes for the worse. It's less Jiminy Cricket and more Tyler Durden, right down to the reveal as to why Rex served prison time by following his Conscience.

Of course, not all of the family are willing participants in the horrors that occur on their secluded property. Daughter Alia (Meg Fraser) is regularly chastised and overtly abused by her family, particularly her mother, for her lack of participation and constant escape attempts. It's her accidental involvement with Rex that leads us through the second and third acts, which are played with such sarcastic sadism that you're not sure if you really should root for Rex to help her or not.

In the end, the horror elements may be sparse, and I'd have adored another 15-20 minutes dedicated entirely to the final showdown, as it flies by in such quick fashion that it comes ass a letdown. Sinking the landing is especially important in revenge stories, which this ultimately becomes, but a greater focus on that element (though it would have extended the runtime to nearly 2 hours instead of a tight 93 minutes) would have cemented this as an instant classic.

As it is, though? It's an incredibly enjoyable slice of junk food, one that I'll gladly revisit in the future. 7/10

Updated rankings for my spooky season watches:
The Black Phone
Totally Killer
Blood Quantum
Bloody Hell
The Conference
Evil Dead Rise
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Alligator
Haunted Mansion
(2023)
Children of the Corn (2023)
Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey
Terrifier
No One Will Save You
The Dark and the Wicked
Bad Dreams Door

Glad you enjoyed it.

I have it ranked 3 on all of my first then watches for 2023. It hit me just the right way at just the right time I suppose. Ben O’Tool was a delight, and I’m looking forward to seeing more from him.
 

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He's the kind of guy that should appear in the MCU. And I mean that in earnest. He's funny, capable of showing depth with just a minor change of his facial expression, and holds his own in action scenes.
 

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Interesting fact: one of the cast/crew members shares my name. And they, apparently, also share my love of shit movies, because that's been their entire career. Maybe the Mandela Effect is real and alt-universe Laz decides to blow his mom's life insurance payout on making d-grade movies.
In the most @Piss Jug Connor post I can make... you should follow your alternate self's acting journey and keep us posted on the revolutionary new flicks he/you are acting in! Or review the old stuff and let us know the Award Winning performances you've put in.

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Outside of Talk To Me, I've been pretty let down by this year's slate of horror movies. I thought Evil Dead Rise and Saw X were fine but overhyped, and I didn't really care for Scream 6, Skinamarink, or M3GAN. And I've hated movies like FNAF, The Exorcist: Believer, The Nun II, and Insidious: The Red Door.

But, I finally found my favorite horror film of the year. When Evil Lurks (streaming on Shudder) was pretty great. It's from the director of Terrified. The Argentine movie from 2017, not the trash clown movie. The director makes some huge leaps with his visual style, and I thought it was an improvement from Terrified which is a pretty good movie. It dips a bit in the third act, but it's absolutely chilling. There are two scenes that straight up left me speechless and shocked me. Bleakest movie this year I'd say as well. I recommend it.
 
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Outside of Talk To Me, I've been pretty let down by this year's slate of horror movies. I thought Evil Dead Rise and Saw X were fine but overhyped, and I didn't really care for Scream 6, Skinamarink, or M3GAN. And I've hated movies like FNAF, The Exorcist: Believer, The Nun II, and Insidious: The Red Door.

But, I finally found my favorite horror film of the year. When Evil Lurks (streaming on Shudder) was pretty great. It's from the director of Terrified. The Argentine movie from 2017, not the trash clown movie. The director makes some huge leaps with his visual style, and I thought it was an improvement from Terrified which is a pretty good movie. It dips a bit in the third act, but it's absolutely chilling. There are two scenes that straight up left me speechless and shocked me. Bleakest movie this year I'd say as well. I recommend it.
Will watch When Evil Lurks next week for our movie night. I loved Terrified, it’s one of the few recent horror moves to scare the shit out of me for real.

I think an underrated horror movie that came out this year that I rewatched yesterday is Sick. It may be in the top 5 horrors I’ve seen this year. Great action set pieces, funny contemporary storyline and awesome tension throughout.
 

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I still need to watch Sick. I think Terrified is scarier than When Evil Lurks, but WEL had more of an impact on me emotionally and has a better story.
 

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I still need to watch Sick. I think Terrified is scarier than When Evil Lurks, but WEL had more of an impact on me emotionally and has a better story.

I ranked Sick very low on my list for the year. I simply don’t get the rotten tomato scores on that one at all. It’s as mediocre as it gets. Maybe people were just ready to poke a little fun at COVID I guess.
 

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I didn't watch it mostly because outside of Tragedy Girls, I'm not high on these self aware modern slashers with comedy, but I trust BZ's opinion and will give it a shot down the line.
 

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FNAF got an A- rating from moviegoers on CinemaScore so somebody must like it even if it’s not critics or anyone here.

Bad ratings in CinemaScore are probably more of an exception. Very few people are going to openly admit they just wasted $14 or whatever it costs in your area for a normal priced movie.
 

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Transformers had 2 or 3 of the movies in the series get an A including The Dark Of The Moon. Those scores are mostly coming from fans that already predetermined that they are going to like the movie. I don't really put that much stock in Cinemascore tbh. Especially towards Franchises and IP's.

Also from reading up on the fanbase, some of them seem to try to force themselves to like anything FNAF regardless of its quality. They also just want references from what I'm reading. It's kind of concerning. Like when i was 9, I was a die hard Mortal Kombat fan and had my mom take me to see Annihilation on opening night. It was loaded with every character from the game doing all their signature moves and had so many references and easter eggs, but I could still tell the movie was really bad and that something felt off.

With that said, I would much rather watch MK Annihilation than FNAF again because it's actually campy and fun.
 
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The funny thing about V/H/S/99 (2022) is that I didn't actively dislike it but I can't really remember much of it after the fact. Unlike the first one, which was unique and practically ushered in the next wave of anthology horror; or the second, which delivered one absolutely amazing segment and a handful of solid ones; or even Viral, which is so fucking bad that it's almost laughable...there just isn't much in 99 that works one way or another. The design of Guiltine in that sorority piece was pleasantly creepy, but "haunted attraction" creepy and not "I'm going to see this when I close my eyes" creepy. The first short, about the annoying garage skater band that awaken the angry spirits of a dead punk band, was solid if unspectacular. The one where they document a seance and then go to Hell was interesting enough to make me actually want to see more, but the resolution was practically non-existent. And the framing device was...well, I don't even remember what it was.

Not terrible, not great, but you don't really have to see any of this series after the second. 5.5/10

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Similarly, I was pleasantly surprised with Damien Leone's debut All Hallows' Eve (2013), which is best known as the debut of Art the Clown from the Terrifier series. This works more than it doesn't, with the best bits not hinging on Art as a character/presence but on the scenario that he seems to be involved in. Two kids enjoying their stash from trick or treating find a VHS tape in their bag, and then watch the first segment with their babysitter (a woman is abducted by Art at a desolate subway station before being used as a broodmare for a demonic cult). The kids go to bed and the babysitter decides to watch more, watching a woman terrorized by extraterrestrial abductors (with Art's face on a painting) and then another woman hunted by Art after she encounters him at a gas station.

If there's one thing I can truly appreciate about Art, besides Leone's excellently creepy design, it's that Leone has codified Art as being almost impossible to escape. This rings even truer as the tape comes to life and forces the babysitter to watch herself being stalked by Art on the TV, while the "real world" lacks his presence at all. Then we end with a truly gruesome discovery...but man, I'm still thinking about that first short. More importantly, I'm thinking about how great Leone's no-budget practically effects look, and how Terrifier was such a step down from this. 6/10, because even edgelord splatter can still work when it's shot right, and the madness increases throughout the movie's runtime.
 

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Updated rankings for my spooky season watches:

The Black Phone
Totally Killer
Blood Quantum
Bloody Hell
Beetlejuice
The Conference
Evil Dead Rise
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Alligator
All Hallows' Eve
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/H/S/99
Night of the Demons (2010)
Haunted Mansion (2023)
Children of the Corn (2023)
The Funhouse Massacre
Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey
Terrifier
No One Will Save You
The Dark and the Wicked
Bad Dreams Door
 

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I really like the first two VHS movies and 94 had it's moments (I really liked the Raatma story). But, I hated Viral and didn't care for 1999 outside of the game show story. I still have to see VHS 1985 though.
 

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I don't see where the hate for Five Nights at Freddy's (2023) is coming from, to be honest. It isn't fantastic, sure, but there's so many worse movies out there (as I've shown) that to rail against this seems hilarious. It's a perfectly average horror flick that has some solid moments based on a cult favorite video game.

In fact, I'd take this over both Willy's Wonderland or The Banana Splits Movie any day. There's some real solid imagery, subplots that actually inform the main plot, and a particularly brutal finale for what's ostensibly a kid-friendly horror flick. There's plenty of better horror movies out there, but this isn't a horrible way to kill 90 minutes. 6/10

UPDATED RANKINGS FOR MY SPOOKY SEASON WATCHES:
The Black Phone
Totally Killer
Blood Quantum
Bloody Hell
Beetlejuice
The Conference
Evil Dead Rise
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Five Nights at Freddy's
Alligator
All Hallows' Eve
V/H/S/99
Night of the Demons
(2010)
Haunted Mansion (2023)
Spirit Halloween: The Movie
Children of the Corn
(2023)
The Funhouse Massacre
Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey
Terrifier
No One Will Save You
The Dark and the Wicked
Bad Dreams Door
 
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I watched Daybreakers (2009) and what a disappointing, forgettable movie that was considering it had Sam Neill, Ethan Hawke, and Willem Dafoe. None of them are really memorable and Neill's the most engaging but has nothing to work with. Paper thin characters, bad CGI that looks worse today, a decent plot (Hawke plays a hematologist tasked with finding a blood alternative as humanity is dwindling after the majority of the population has been turned into vampires thanks to a bat plague by 2019), but that leads to an incredibly stupid scenario that really doesn't make any sense in terms of what actually "cures" the entire situation.

Willem Dafoe crashes his car and as he's flying into a lake through the air, his exposure to the sun turns him back human because he landed in the water. This is later confirmed by Hawke who gets exposed to sunlight briefly when the fire gets pulled out of a wine fermentation tank and he too turns human. Just... baffling and stupid and you're telling me no other vampire accidentally got turned back human in 10 years this way? There's 0 mentions of any humans claiming this before and being dismissed, etc. so they treat this as some revolutionary secret. And of course, if you feed on a "turned" human, the vampires then turn human so it's an inverse of the whole vampire aspect.

The latter half of the movie is basically just scene-to-scene transitions to move the movie along. There are subplots of Hawke & his brother, who's a hunter of humans, and Sam Neill & his daughter who's opposed to the entire vampiric lifestyle (she gets turned, attacks Neill, and literally vanishes from the rest of the movie) but they are not developed at all and are barely surface level.

Most disappointing is there are some interesting concepts. The opening scene of a little girl who's been turned realizing she'll be trapped in that body for eternity commits suicide via sunlight and it's a solid opening. There's talk that vampires basically have 1 month to realize a blood substitute alternative but that's gone as soon as it's mentioned plot-wise (there's a coffee cart scene where vampires attack the staff due to blood rationing) along with the whole "homeless" vampires invading homes/turning more dangerous due to lack of blood of which they show a scene of such a vampire attacking Hawk & his brother mostly for the effects because again... doesn't matter at all by the end.

4/10
 

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I watched Sick and thought it was okay. I'd go around 6/10. It was much more serious than I was expecting which was great, as I'm over the snarky comedic self aware slashers at this point. The way it handled Covid was really interesting and added to the movie, but in the end I'll probably forget about it next week.
 

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I don't see where the hate for Five Nights at Freddy's (2023) is coming from, to be honest. It isn't fantastic, sure, but there's so many worse movies out there (as I've shown) that to rail against this seems hilarious. It's a perfectly average horror flick that has some solid moments based on a cult favorite video game.

In fact, I'd take this over both Willy's Wonderland or The Banana Splits Movie any day. There's some real solid imagery, subplots that actually inform the main plot, and a particularly brutal finale for what's ostensibly a kid-friendly horror flick. There's plenty of better horror movies out there, but this isn't a horrible way to kill 90 minutes. 6/10
It's 110 minutes, which is one of my biggest problems with the movie. The premise shouldn't stretch itself out that long. I like Josh Hutcherson, but I found his backstory so boring and dull, and I wanted more time in the setting rather than all the dream sequences dealing with his trauma. I also thought the Vanessa character was kind of bad and had some terrible lines, but maybe she's written like that because of the games. It's not for me I guess.

I rewatched Willy's Wonderland afterwards and liked it so much more. I find the premise of FNAF really goofy and thought the movie took itself way too seriously, so Willy's Wonderland delivered more on how shlocky I find the premise. Now don't get me wrong, Willy's is still a pretty bad movie and the performances besides Cage are terrible, but I had fun with it and it's paced much better since it runs under 90 minutes imo.
 
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Will be watching Halloween tonight and It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown on Halloween night so here's my October breakdown. Ended up watching a lot of the usual fair I watch every October (Hocus Pocus, Addams Family & AFV, The Descent, Pumpkinhead) along with a few movies I hadn't seen in a long while (The Birds, Re-Animator, Ginger Snaps 2) and a few new things (A Really Haunted "Loud House", Totally Killer, The Leopard Man).

10/1: A Really Haunted "Loud House" --- 10/2: Hocus Pocus --- 10/3: Misery --- 10/4: Arachnophobia --- 10/5: Poltergeist --- 10/6: The Birds --- 10/7: Sinister & The Addams Family
10/8: Addams Family Values --- 10/9: Get Out --- 10/10: The Leopard Man (1943). A Val Lewton produced movie. Has a solid alley scene but the killer is revealed very early on and it's pretty blah outside of the 1 scene. --- 10/11: Flatliners (Remake) --- 10/12: Candyman --- 10/13: Friday the 13th, Part 4 --- 10/14: Totally Killer
10/15: Pumpkinhead --- 10/16: Saw --- 10/17: Alien --- 10/18: Ghostbusters --- 10/19: Re-Animator --- 10/20: The Descent --- 10/21: Garfield's Halloween Adventure (1985)
10/22: Drag Me to Hell --- 10/23: The Thing (1982) --- 10/24: V/H/S --- 10/25: The Omen --- 10/26: Aliens --- 10/27: Ginger Snaps 2 --- 10/28: An American Werewolf in London
10/29: Daybreakers --- 10/30: Halloween --- 10/31: It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown
 

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It's 110 minutes, which is one of my biggest problems with the movie. The premise shouldn't stretch itself out that long. I like Josh Hutcherson, but I found his backstory so boring and dull, and I wanted more time in the setting rather than all the dream sequences dealing with his trauma. I also thought the Vanessa character was kind of bad and had some terrible lines, but maybe she's written like that because of the games. It's not for me I guess.
I'll give you all of that. I just didn't think it was shit, which seems to be a consensus among people who aren't fans of the games (which I'm not). It's a perfectly average horror flick, which means it's better than 70% of the Warrenverse flicks.
 

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https://variety.com/2023/film/marke...robert-mitchell-maika-monroe-neon-1235773394/

OH SHIT! I've actually been wanting a sequel for a while. I think they can take the premise farther and I'm so glad the director and Maika Monroe are both back. Hope they get Disasterpiece to do another soundtrack.
I'm down for this. I think It Follows is one of the only snorecore horror flicks that actually worked because of the constant sense of paranoia that increases throughout.

Now someone get in touch with Adam Wingard to draw up a sequel to The Guest.
 

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I realized there's two movies I didn't write something up for since I started posting in this thread.

Beetlejuice (1988) is a classic, of course. Michael Keaton gives what's arguably his best comedic performance ever (I'll hear arguments for Multiplicity or Birdman), prime Geena Davis is always welcome, and it's the movie that cemented Winona Ryder as the go-to alt girl for every Gen X'er and elder millennial to swoon over. Hell, the entire cast delivers, and then some! Catherine O'Hara is always perfect, Jeffrey "I swear I clicked the wrong link 1000x" Jones was always grand in his performances, and Glenn Shadix nearly steals the show.

Soooo...why don't I love this as much as I used to? Oh, right. Burton-isms.

You know what I'm talking about. The way Burton frames his shots, the abrupt tonal changes from scene to scene, a reliance on the odd instead of utilizing it to greater effect. He resolves almost all of these issues by the time Big Fish causes every man in the previously mentioned generations to bawl like babies, but they're in full display here.

That said? Still a classic, just one where I'm now finding myself bored unless Keaton or Ryder are front and center. 7/10

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And then, we have a bargain bin haunted house movie in Spirit Halloween: The Movie (2022), which literally exists as a soulless cash-in for the popular pop-up chain. There's some decent effort put in here, at times, but the whole just reeks of the same pre-packaged spookiness that the stores churn out every goddamn year. The highlight obviously comes from Christopher Lloyd, who can never do any wrong, but even his voice work for the animatronic nightmares that he possesses does little to alleviate the feeling that this, under any other name, would be an easily forgotten bargain bin flick to put on when the wee ones aren't quite ready for Ghostbusters or even the Haunted Mansion movies. 4.5/10

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And now, as the spooky season closes, we cap it off with two classics. One an oft maligned sequel that has gained considerable appreciation in recent years, and the other a certifiable masterpiece of low budget filmmaking that launched both a franchise and the career of one of the genre's most effective, and important, directors.

Halloween III: Season of the Witch (1982) is, of course, the former of the two mentioned above. Hated for decades due to a lack of Michael Myers and a bizarre plot that seems to fall apart the moment you pull on any of its threads, there is a great deal of charm on display that makes up for most of its faults. But the big thing I noticed this time?

How fucking perfect the third act is.

THAT is how you end such a wackadoo story, with the hero rushing around and trying to prevent the nightmares he's witnessed from becoming the nationwide reality they've been planned to be, only to ultimately fail. There's no happy ending here, even very little ambiguity, and I'd legitimately love to see a sequel just to this one movie about what life is like after the events of Halloween 1982.

So watch the magic pumpkin, kids, because the Festival of Samhain is upon us. 6.5/10

As for the certifiable masterpiece? Come the fuck on. We all know it's the original Halloween. 9/10


UPDATED RANKINGS FOR MY SPOOKY SEASON WATCHES:
Halloween (1978)
The Black Phone
Totally Killer
Blood Quantum
Bloody Hell
Beetlejuice
The Conference
Evil Dead Rise
Friday the 13th Part VII: The New Blood
Halloween III: Season of the Witch
Five Nights at Freddy's Alligator
All Hallows' Eve
V/H/S/99
Night of the Demons
(2010)
Haunted Mansion (2023)
Spirit Halloween: The Movie
Children of the Corn
(2023)
The Funhouse Massacre
Winnie the Pooh: Blood & Honey
Terrifier
No One Will Save You
The Dark and the Wicked
Bad Dreams Door
 

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Here's every (until tonight) horror movie I watched this month. Not as many as last year, but still plenty. Some thoughts on them

-I'm pretty sure "The Exorcist" has the best opening 10 minutes in horror history.

-"Carnival of Souls" is, next to "Night of the Living Dead", the best Independent horror movie of the 60s. Fun fact: David Lynch is a big fan, as you can see influences in "Lost Highway" and "Twin Peaks: The Return" (which even has a visual nod to the movie.)

-"Night of Horror" is an 80's movie made for $4,000. It's also one of the worst horror movies I've ever seen, and not even in a fun way. It's just boring and nothing happens.

-I mostly prefer the "Final Destination" franchise to the "Saw" movies, as they at least have a sense of humor about themselves. Also, Kerr Smith and Sean William Scott have the most year 2000 fashion choices imaginable in the first one.

-More talk needs to be generated towards the guy in "Friday the 13th IV" who smokes weed and laughs while watching old sexploitation movies.

-I actually preferred "The Conference" to "Totally Killer". The kills are a bit better, it's smarter and I prefer the dry humor to the latter movie's "you couldn't wear that kind of shirt today!" jokes. I did enjoy TK though.

-"Top Line" may be the craziest first watch this month.
It's not "good", but it does have George Kennedy driving through a cactus field, laughing manically while chasing Franco Nero
. Amazingly, this isn't the most insane part of the movie.

-Also not something I wouldn't call "good" but I'd argue has merit (even if its by accident) is "Malatesta's Carnival of Blood". The movie has a plot, but it feels like such a thing doesn't matter, as the whole film feels like floating in a dream from a man who just took some very strong acid. It ain't perfect (it's clearly a one and done film, and the acting is terrible), but there's too much strangeness and creativity for it to be dismissed outright.

-"Mothers Day" is among other things, a film that feels tonally off balance. It goes from social satire to wacky comedic hijinks to harrowing rape revenge movie to moments of actual suspense to a finale dedicated to tongue in cheek gore. It feels like they were trying to make a parody of rape revenge and backwoods horror movies, which in the case of the former feels wrong but also like something that only could have been made in 1980. Also, this was shot around the same lake "Friday the 13th" was shot.

-Among other things, I love how "People Under the Stairs" is Wes Craven telling you how much he hates Ronald and Nancy Reagan.

"Butcher, Baker Nightmare Maker" has what can best be described as "Susan Tyrel doing all the acting" in what's actually a rather downbeat slasher film. It's also shockingly ahead of it's time (1981) in that it portrays homophobia as a bad thing.

-Two that I think are underrated are "The Asphyx" (in case you were wondering where the Death Metal band got it's name) and "The Black Pit of Dr M." The former is a 70s British film, and the latter is a late 50 Gothic from Mexico. They are both really atmospheric (the black and white photography in "Black Pit" is amazing) and surprisingly thoughtful in their themes of what lies after death and immortality, and come as recommended.

-If there is one complaint I have about "House By the Cemetery", it's that the "nightmare logic" in it sometimes just feels like lazy writing. Otherwise I'm a fan, and there's a scene in a kitchen that serves as a reminder that there was more to Fucli than splatter.
 

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Seconding the Fulci comment at the end there, @Gary . I've argued with friends that the best part of Gates of Hell isn't the intestine puking scene or the drill bit, it's the bar when the earth quakes and a crack forms in the wall. It's so creepy in an otherwise gorefest that it's actually what convinced me to track down more Fulci past Gates... and Zombi 2.

House by the Cemetery is also one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen, so there's that.
 

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Seconding the Fulci comment at the end there, @Gary . I've argued with friends that the best part of Gates of Hell isn't the intestine puking scene or the drill bit, it's the bar when the earth quakes and a crack forms in the wall. It's so creepy in an otherwise gorefest that it's actually what convinced me to track down more Fulci past Gates... and Zombi 2.

House by the Cemetery is also one of the most depressing movies I've ever seen, so there's that.
For me it’s Christopher George trying to rescue Catriona MacColl while she’s in the coffin. Just…Jesus the chills that scene gives me.
 
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