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http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_STATEMENT-14-82_en.htm?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

G7 is basically suspending Russia from the G8. How much that itself means is questionable but it definitely sends a hostile message and reflects the hardening line. Probably not going to do much for the Russian economic confidence either.
 

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I think Putin stopped caring about the the G8 around 2012. He's probably thinking he can still have support in the G20... which will no doubt split countries there.
 

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Amy pats fan said:

http://guardianlv.com/2014/03/argentina-to-host-russian-military-bases-while-america-sleeps/

Well damn... The long term strategy I would use if I look at this as merely an observer without any loyalties to any country is to hit the Mexican population around the US and rally them to try and take California, Texas, etc. back to Mexico via some sweet sweet "annex" movement by showing the great victory of Crimea. I mean they already have the Chinese businesses and money that can support propagandizing this ideology in Mexico... might as well bring the geo politics and proxy wars to the country's doorstep that fucked up Russia's plans in Libya and what seemed to start this whole bullshit when Gaddafi was killed.
 

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w hen obama declares martial law and seizes all firearms and starts putting christians and gun owners in prison he will need russian and chinese boots on the ground. this is why these bases are being set up so obama will have nearby military support to pull this off.

It's so clear to me now

Better get to steppin on those Russian and Chinese military bases Obama, you only got a few years left to take away our bibles and guns
 

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The long term strategy I would use if I look at this as merely an observer without any loyalties to any country is to hit the Mexican population around the US and rally them to try and take California, Texas, etc. back to Mexico

Yeah because that didn't backfire horribly for the Germans in World War 1. Except your modification is even worse because the people who left did so because they wanted to be part of America. Dismantling it would be the last thing they'd want to do. Same with starting a war with their families back home.
 

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I'm still hearing about Obama being weak by some talking heads... don't they get this is now how the President deals with Putin's BS?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKE3v-Xt5pE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQ_CG1L0Isg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ri9G5LyuG3I

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbaNILiFB08

Almost six years ago isn't that long talking heads...
 

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Talking heads are the worst. Obama has already been much tougher on Putin. Bush was incredibly soft on Putin and thought they were basically friends for years. It was only near the end of his term that he started to realize Putin had only been playing along and even then he never really did anything.
 

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2014/04/07/the-less-americans-know-about-ukraines-location-the-more-they-want-u-s-to-intervene/

However, the further our respondents thought that Ukraine was from its actual location, the more they wanted the U.S. to intervene militarily.
 

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/ukraine-on-the-brink-live-blog-16-april

bad day for Ukraine

Summary

• As night fell, a standoff at Pchyolkino continued between Ukrainian troops and crowds of locals – joined now by "green men" militia members. The crowd had blocked the troops' passage. The troops were refusing to give up their weapons or vehicles.

• The standoff followed a similar confrontation Wednesday morning in which pro-Russian forces seized Ukrainian personnel carriers and drove them to Slavyansk, where Ukrainian troops were held for hours before being bussed back to their base.

• Despite a series of confrontations between the sides throughout the day, there were no confirmed reports of shots fired or bloodshed as of Wednesday evening (although there were unconfirmed, unassociated reports in Ukrainian and Russian news outlets).

• Kiev, Moscow, Washington and Europe traded accusations of unjustified aggression as the four sides prepared to meet Thursday in Geneva for the first such talks since the start of the current crisis. The Russian foreign ministry warned Washington of "catastrophic consequences" for its "reckless support" of Kiev.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/16/crisis-east-ukraine-city-by-city-guide-map

Here's an interactive map
 

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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/

Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media.

Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.

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The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the report.

Pushilin acknowledged the flyers were distributed by his organization but he disavowed their content, according to the web site Jews of Kiev, Ynet reported.
 

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Absolutely horrible and scary.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/17/ukraine-diplomats-meet-in-geneva-in-bid-to-ease-crisis-live-coverage

The meeting in Geneva produced a joint statement that is better than a lot of experts expected though there's hardly any guarantee it will be honored:

Here is the text of the Geneva joint statement, via Julian Borger:

Geneva Statement of April 17, 2014

The Geneva meeting on the situation in Ukraine agreed on initial concrete steps to de-escalate tensions and restore security for all citizens.

All sides must refrain from any violence, intimidation or provocative actions. The participants strongly condemned and rejected all expressions of extremism, racism and religious intolerance, including anti-semitism.

All illegal armed groups must be disarmed; all illegally seized buildings must be returned to legitimate owners; all illegally occupied streets, squares and other public places in Ukrainian cities and towns must be vacated.

Amnesty will be granted to protestors and to those who have left buildings and other public places and surrendered weapons, with the exception of those found guilty of capital crimes.

It was agreed that the OSCE Special Monitoring Mission should play a leading role in assisting Ukrainian authorities and local communities in the immediate implementation of these de-escalation measures wherever they are needed most, beginning in the coming days. The U.S., E.U. and Russia commit to support this mission, including by providing monitors.

The announced constitutional process will be inclusive, transparent and accountable. It will include the immediate establishment of a broad national dialogue, with outreach to all of Ukraine’s regions and political constituencies, and allow for the consideration of public comments and proposed amendments.

The participants underlined the importance of economic and financial stability in Ukraine and would be ready to discuss additional support as the above steps are implemented.

The daily summary from the Guardian:


Summary

We're going to wrap up our live coverage for the day. Here's a summary of where things stand:

• Both the United States and Russia took a wait-and-see approach to a deal struck in Geneva Thursday to de-escalate the crisis in Ukraine. The US gave the deal "several days" to produce results. Read the agreement here.

• The deal provides for a disarmament of "illegal" militias, a withdrawal by protesters from government buildings in the east and "public places" including in Kiev, and a general amnesty. An OSCE observer mission would grow.

• The deal pledged "additional support" for the Ukrainian economy. Russia has said Kiev owes more than $2bn in gas payments. The European commission warned Russia not to roil the gas markets.

• Mistrust remained. Russia accused Kiev of taking up arms against its own people and US president Barack Obama called the Russian mobilization on the Ukrainian border a "gesture of intimidation."

• In a televised call-in event, Russian president Vladimir Putin seemed to leave room for "understanding" with Ukraine while dropping provocative lines about the historic disposition of east Ukraine as Russian.

• The United States pledged nonlethal aid to the Ukrainian military – medical supplies, helmets, water purification devices and generators.

• The Russian airline Aeroflot said Ukraine informed it of new tight restrictions on the entry of Russian men to Ukraine. The Russian foreign ministry demanded an explanation.

• A large pro-Kiev rally played out in Donetsk. A reported march by pro-Russian forces on the Donetsk airport turned out to be not well attended.

• At least one person was killed overnight Wednesday and 15 wounded when a crowd of about 200 pro-Russian demonstrators tried to storm a base in the centre of Mariupol.
 

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d u b q said:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/04/17/jews-ordered-to-register-in-east-ukraine/7816951/

Jews in the eastern Ukrainian city of Donetsk where pro-Russian militants have taken over government buildings were told they have to "register" with the Ukrainians who are trying to make the city become part of Russia, according to Israeli media.

Jews emerging from a synagogue say they were handed leaflets that ordered the city's Jews to provide a list of property they own and pay a registration fee "or else have their citizenship revoked, face deportation and see their assets confiscated," reported Ynet News, Israel's largest news website.

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The leaflets bore the name of Denis Pushilin, who identified himself as chairman of "Donetsk's temporary government," and were distributed near the Donetsk synagogue and other areas, according to the report.

Pushilin acknowledged the flyers were distributed by his organization but he disavowed their content, according to the web site Jews of Kiev, Ynet reported.

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Candidly-speaking-Putin-Ukraine-and-the-Jews-345546

We are under no misapprehensions. Neither Russia nor Ukraine are democracies. But on a relative scale, the corruption and xenophobia currently dominating Ukraine is more extreme than in Russia, where Putin has suppressed anti-Semites and repeatedly made friendly gestures to the Jewish community. For example, he provided $50 million of state funding for a Jewish Museum and Tolerance Center in Moscow, in addition to which he symbolically personally donated a month’s salary.

In this he displayed total indifference to the powerful anti-Semitic elements in Russian society.

Putin is a nationalist and his primary motivation is to restore Russia as a global power. This is what propelled him to intervene in Georgia and now in Ukraine in reaction to what he regards as a threatening NATO intrusion in his sphere of influence and on his borders. Russians compare this reaction to Kennedy’s 1962 response to Khrushchev’s effort to introduce missiles into Cuba.

Ukraine, like Russia, has a long history of violent anti-Semitism, that dates back to the 1648 Khmelnitsky pogroms and continues through the Beiliss blood libel – still an issue of contention among many Ukrainians – and the Russian Civil War, when tens of thousands of Jews were butchered.

The existing Ukrainian Jewish community, estimated to be around 200,000, has good reason to be fearful. Since gaining independence in 1991, Ukraine has spawned thriving xenophobic rightwing parties which are alleged to have spearheaded the revolt against the corrupt President Viktor Yanukovich. Although only gaining 10 percent electoral support, these are genuine neo-Nazis who employ swastika symbols and are openly anti-Semitic. Successive Ukrainian governments have ignored or condoned their extremist activities and made no effort to prosecute them.

Oleh Tyahnybok, leader of Svoboda, the largest right-wing extremist nationalist faction, which holds 37 seats in the government, has called for the liberation of Ukraine from the “Muscovite-Jewish Mafia” and refers to his opponents as “Zhids.”

His deputy, Yuri Mykhalchyshyn, founded a think tank initially called “The Joseph Goebbels Political Research Center.” The party activists have circulated translations of Mein Kampf and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. They revere Stepan Bandera, a onetime ally of Nazi Germany whose troops murdered tens of thousands of Jews. Their anti-Semitism is overt and has led to the desecration of synagogues and brutal acts of violence against Jews.

In an attempt to portray himself as a moderate, Dmitry Yarosh, leader of the ultra-nationalist leader “Right Sector,” currently deputy director of Ukraine’s Security Council and a candidate for president, has sought to dissociate himself from anti-Semitism. He even opened up a hotline with Israel’s ambassador in Kiev. But Yarosh, a renowned expert on firebombs, made it clear that he has no intention of disbanding his black-garbed paramilitary units.

Not surprisingly, President Putin is exploiting these Ukrainian fascist and anti-Semitic groups in order to discredit the new government.

However, a number of Ukrainian Jewish oligarchs and the Jewish umbrella body known as the Vaad insisted that anti-Semitism posed no threat and called Putin a liar.

One of the “chief rabbis”, Rabbi Yaacov Bleich, a Karliner-Stoliner Hassid from New York, even accused the Russians of dressing up as Ukrainian nationalists and engaging in anti-Semitic provocations.

How quickly things change within a month... god damn.
 

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/18/antisemitic-donetsk-peoples-republic-ukraine-hoax

So now the chief rabbi of the city is saying it was a hoax as part of the info war done to stir up trouble and confusion and was probably done by the Kiev government.
 

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I'm surprised no talk about the Vice reporter being captured or the deaths that are now happening.
 

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He was released thankfully. Still a fucked up situation though..

http://www.cbc.ca/m/news/#!/content/1.2620681
 

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Shit is going DOWN in Ukraine

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-27259614

http://rt.com/news/156292-slavyansk-army-special-operation/

The Ukrainian army has begun a special operation against pro-autonomy activists in the eastern town of Slavyansk. The city is now blockaded by the Ukrainian military, with 20 helicopters reportedly deployed to crack down on self-defense forces.

Follow live updates on the special operation in Slavyansk

Two helicopters have been shot down by self-defense forces, according to reports. Earlier, two helicopters were allegedly downed, with two pilots dead and another one captured, RIA Novosti news agency reported. This information was confirmed by Ukraine's coup-appointed Interior Minister Arsen Avakov.

Following the loss of the aircraft, Kiev halted their operation.

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http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/04/russia-military-exercises-ukraine-border

Last Friday, the Pentagon said 10,000 Russian troops stationed near Ukraine had moved to within 30 miles of the border and continued to build their military capabilities. Russia denied previous US claims of a troop buildup along the border last month, arguing that international monitors had not revealed any violations or undeclared military activities near Ukraine

Just as Ukraine is getting ready to make a move on the Rebel held capital of Donetsk.

http://news.yahoo.com/27-000-russians-stranded-abroad-tour-operator-fails-103444624.html

Russia is striving to bring back nearly 16,000 tourists stranded abroad after the latest in a string of travel companies failed amid strains over the crisis in Ukraine, tourism officials said Monday.
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With Western sanctions threatening to tip Russia's ailing economy into a recession and the value of the ruble taking a beating, the number of Russians travelling abroad has been cut by as much as half, according to industry sources.

Signs of the sanctions messing with Russia.
 

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Do sanctions ever really work? The sanctions and reparations imposed on Germany after WW1 directly led to the rise of the Nazi party. Or look at the post-Civil War era in American history and how that led to all the resentment that STILL exists in the South

Is Russia getting pinched a bit by the West right now? no doubt, but at the end of the day I don't see Russia capitulating over this. Economic sanctions really just fuck over the average working class/poor Russian civilians, and Russia already has no problem fucking them over on their own
 

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Germany one of the richest countries right now too oh no Russia gonna be strong when I'm 70
 

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Amy pats fan said:
Do sanctions ever really work?

Last fall, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani publicly acknowledged that the effects of international sanctions on the country’s economy were so severe that quick negotiations were needed to discuss Iran’s nuclear program....

Of course, no one should believe that sanctions alone will bring Jeffersonian democracy to Iran or compel Russia to relinquish Crimea. But the most complete academic studies on the matter show that sanctions lead to concessions from the targeted government in one out of every three or four cases. That is a far cry from never working.

Economic sanctions really just fuck over the average working class/poor Russian civilians

In almost all cases, something less than a comprehensive trade embargo is enforced. Most important, since the Iraq case, both the United Nations and the United States have developed “smart sanctions” to lessen the humanitarian impact. These measures — travel bans, asset freezes, arms embargoes — do not necessarily work any better, but they mitigate the effects on the population.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-sanctions/2014/05/02/a4f607b6-d0b4-11e3-9e25-188ebe1fa93b_story.html
 

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russia is banning imports of food from countries that are sanctioning it and people aren't happy

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118992/putin-bans-import-food-countries-sanctioned-russia

This is the thing. If the ban really does go through and is as wide-sweeping as the Russian blogosphere fears, it will hurt not America and not the E.U., but the class of people who are well-educated, well-paid, and well-traveled, who know the difference between a Nero d'Avola and a Nebbiolo, and between prosciutto and jamón serrano. That's a relatively small set of people, and it's also the people who went out into the streets in the winter of 2011-2012 to protest against Vladimir Putin: the urban middle class, or, as the Kremlin derisively dubbed them, the creacles (from the words for creative class).

Still, it will have a wider effect, too. Most restaurants in the country these days serve something from the E.U., things like Czech or German beer (a favorite of Russians of all stripes) and cheap Italian and French wines. Not to mention that much of the beef in Russian restaurants comes from Australia, which has already threatened to ban entry to Vladimir Putin. The ban won't go unnoticed outside the creative class.

And though the Kremlin voices stayed largely silent—they're the ones who live the best, drinking foreign wines and wearing luxe foreign clothes and driving blingy foreign cars and will be the least affected by the ban (the Soviet nomenklatura had plenty of access to foreign goods, after all)—one of the most acerbic and militant Putinists did weigh in.
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/08/09/putin-meets-leaders-armenia-azerbaijan-as-tensions-over-nagorno-karabakh-simmer/

http://www.businessinsider.com/armenia-and-azerbaijan-approaching-war-2014-8

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/07/azerbaijan-president-threatens-war-armenia-twitter

God damn it
 

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http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/13/business/international/ukraine-crisis-takes-toll-on-germanys-economy-powerhouse-of-the-eurozone.html

The eurozone G.D.P. report, to be released Thursday by the European Union statistical agency, Eurostat, is based on data from before the latest tensions over Ukraine, and before the sanctions against Russia for its involvement in the crisis began to be felt. That means there are plenty of questions hanging over the second half of the year.

Most worrying are the indications that Germany is beginning to struggle, including a steep drop in economic sentiment reported on Tuesday. Germany, which accounts for more than one-fourth of the overall eurozone economy, had been propping up the rest of the area for much of the last few years.

On Tuesday, a report from the ZEW economic research institute in Mannheim, Germany, showed German economic sentiment fell this month to the lowest level since December 2012. The drop, the report said, “is likely connected to the ongoing geopolitical tensions that have affected the German economy.”

The setback followed a warning from Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development on Monday that its analysis showed “growth losing momentum” in Germany, and an official report last week that showed German factories produced far less than expected in June.

The gloomy sentiment in Germany is a “signal that the growth performance in the second quarter could suddenly morph from a one-off into an undesired trend,” said Carsten Brzeski, an economist with ING Group in Brussels.

A further slowing in Europe would have serious implications for the rest of the world amid concerns about the United States economy, which began 2014 with a rocky start before posting modest growth, and Japan, which is thought to have contracted sharply in the second quarter.

Stanley Fischer, the Federal Reserve vice chairman, told a conference in Stockholm on Monday that the European slowdown had been an important factor holding back growth in the United States.

Still, he estimated that German growth was flat in the second quarter, taking a more optimistic line than many others, who predicted a slight contraction. Besides the geopolitical strains, Germany’s weakness resulted from damp demand from eurozone trading partners and one-time factors including statistical distortions caused by unusually mild weather in the first quarter, he said.

“Up to now, the fallout of the Ukraine crisis has been limited to a general return of uncertainty and a sharp drop in German exports to Russia,” Mr. Brzeski said. “Obviously, a further escalation of the crisis could start to really hurt the economy. This is why strengthening domestic demand, particularly domestic investment, should continue to be a top priority for all policy makers.”

The dispute between the West and Russia over Ukraine has led to tit-for-tat sanctions from the United States and Europe on the one hand and Russia on the other. While Russia’s share of the global economy is small, about 3 percent, it is one of Germany’s 10 largest trading partners, according to the Association of German Chambers of Commerce and Industry, and nearly 300,000 German jobs depend on exports to Russia.

Analysts at Natixis, a French bank, estimated that a 30 percent drop in exports to Russia this year would shave “a modest 0.3 percentage points” from Germany’s economic growth.

Mario Draghi, the president of the European Central Bank, acknowledged last week that the economic tensions from the Ukraine crisis would “have a greater impact on the euro area than they have on other parts of the world.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/economics/11027748/Blow-to-Angela-Merkel-as-German-economy-hit-by-Russian-chaos.html

http://in.reuters.com/article/2014/08/13/ukraine-crisis-companies-idINL6N0QE4MZ20140813
 

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http://gawker.com/invasion-fears-spread-as-thousands-of-russian-troops-mo-1627857176

Gawker said:
The leader of the pro-Russian separatists warring with Ukrainian forces in the country's southeastern border has claimed that thousands of Russian military are supporting their offensive. "There have been around 3,000-4,000 of them in our ranks," separatist leader and Donetsk People's Republic Prime Minister Aleksandr Zakharchenko announced on Russian state television, claiming these Russian forces are former servicemen and current soldiers on leave.

Hurray. Invasion time. Guess I better get that nuclear bunk ready.
 

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CHECK THE RECORD BUD said:
http://www.businessinsider.com/russian-warships-at-australias-border-2014-11?IR=T

HOLY SHIT

man y'all should have been paying attention

http://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/1.725212

Russia is 'mobilizing for war' according to reports and Canada is sending troops to Eastern Europe to deter them.
 
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