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A-Lex and Dante XXI are good. Everything else in that era is garbage. Roorback might be their worst album.
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The Metal Thread - Version 2
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Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
The thing that sucks the most about post-Max Sepultura is that I'd argue they were at their peak in terms of marketing (the "Sepultribe" and "Third World Posse" ideas were pretty cool), but it's like they tried to mimic Max's JUMPDAFUCKUP approach and could barely muster a bunny hop.
@Brocklock , you should go through Sepultura and then segue into Soulfly. The first few Soulfly albums are really tough and dated, but Dark Ages brings back some of that Chaos AD/Arise feel.
EDIT: It's funny, because I'm literally wearing a Sepultura shirt right now.
@Brocklock , you should go through Sepultura and then segue into Soulfly. The first few Soulfly albums are really tough and dated, but Dark Ages brings back some of that Chaos AD/Arise feel.
EDIT: It's funny, because I'm literally wearing a Sepultura shirt right now.
The run from Roots to Roorback is so awful. I was absolutely loving the listen through before that. I know people have nostalgia for Roots, but my god what a slog. "Roots Bloody Roots" is a good hype opener, but the rest is so long and boring. Mike Patton is one of my favorite singers ever, but "Lookaway" with him and Jonathan Davis might be the worst song he's ever been on.
Dante XXI has been a nice little comeback album so far, so hopefully the rest of their discography is enjoyable. Derek Green, so far, doesn't sound that much different from Max other than his ability to properly enunciate words, which the opposite is part of Max's charm. But, I heard he starts to become a more distinctive vocalist on the newer albums.
Dante XXI has been a nice little comeback album so far, so hopefully the rest of their discography is enjoyable. Derek Green, so far, doesn't sound that much different from Max other than his ability to properly enunciate words, which the opposite is part of Max's charm. But, I heard he starts to become a more distinctive vocalist on the newer albums.
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Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
It's usually a bad sign when a metal band goes from having a designed logo, no matter how pointy or thorny, to using a generic font. The only one I can think of that counters this trend is Dying Fetus.
Here's my Sepultura ranking: Went from loving it to hating to it to feeling bored to loving it again. Wall of text coming, but these long ass posts are a nice distraction for me:
1. Beneath The Remains (1989) - A perfect album for me. In my top five thrash albums of all time, and really every song rips and kicks ass. Every one was on fire musically on this. I love this album.
2. Arise (1991) - Pretty close to BTR, but I really don't care for the cover of "Orgasmatron". Not a big fan of the song in general. Every other song rules though. "Arise", "Desperate Cry", "Dead Embryonic Cells", "Altered State" and just song after song of bangers.
3. Chaos A. D. (1993) - This is quite the divisive album. Maybe it's because it was the first Sepultura album I've ever heard, but I still love it. Maybe, their heaviest. The groove stuff works for me here and there's still enough thrash here.
4. Schizophrenia (1987) - These guys were so damn young when they made this classic, it's insane. "From The Past Comes The Storm" is one of the best openers in metal. "Troops Of Doom" was done so much better here than the original on the previous album.
5. Quadra (2020) - This is awesome. They blend in old and new and manage to make their best album in 27 years. The concept works for me, and I love how they incorporate elements of Death, Prog, and Doom in with the Thrash and Groove. This is my favorite Derek Green vocal performance. He really shows off his vocal range. And, sometimes he sounds a lot like Burton C. Bell, who I'm a fan of. Some of these songs are their best since Max left.
6. Machine Messiah (2017) - A step in the right direction. Their best in years at that point. And a solid album all around. "I Am The Enemy" is a great post Max Sepultura song.
7. Dante XXI (2006) - A minor comeback, but still a mediocre album. "Convicted To Life" is a great opener though and this was by far their best with Derek Green at this point.
8. The Mediator Between Head And Hands Must Be The Heart (2013) - Stupid as fuck album title lol. But, album is just okay. Better than a lot of their discography, but very mid. I can't even remember any standout tracks, but the album was a much easier listen than what's to come.
9. A-Lex (2009) - I know it's a problematic film, but I still love A Clockwork Orange, and I enjoyed the usage of it with one exception. Still, this was kind of forgettable with a lot of songs feeling unfinished. But, my god Ludwig Van is awful and one of their worst songs. Just a bad experiment that failed. Listen to this shit:
10. Morbid Visions (1986) - Musically, it's very impressive for such young kids. None of them were 18 when they made this. Still, it's very sloppy and terribly produced. The production ruins most of the songs. It's still heavy and close to Death Metal. But, you can hear the drastic improvement they made the next year in how much better "Troops Of Doom" sounds on Schizophrenia compared to this.
11. Kairos (2011) - Very blah and unmemorable album. These mid Sepultura albums blend together. I'll say this is the last mid one, because the remaining albums I just don't like.
12. Roots (1996) - I have zero nostalgia for this. I found it boring when I tried when I was younger and still find it dreadfully dull. "Lookaway" is just terrible and an awful use of the great Mike Patton. And get that Jonathan Davis out of my Sepultura. The Tribal stuff was awesome on Chaos AD, but way overused and boring on here. Can't stand this album. And even as an early Nu Metal album from 1996, I'd take Korn's first two albums and The Deftones first album over Roots anyday.
13. Roorback (2003) - Shit album. Not much to say about these early Derek Green albums. Once in a while, a decent Hardcore section will break out. Green's vocals aren't bad or anything, but are too similar to Max's. Still, I hate this, but not as much as the bottom two.
14. Nation (2001) - Interchangeable with the bottom album really, but has a song that I find unintentionally hilarious. "Uma Cura" has to be the goofiest song they've ever done. Sounds like something from a 90's perfume commercial. Just listen to this goofy song:
15. Against (1998) - First album without Max, and just so bad but in a boring way. Just the dullest Nu-Metal. Not even anything fun bad. Nation is just as bad, but the campiness of some of the songs makes it slightly better than this one.
I was gonna do Morbid Angel next, but I feel like going with a personal band to me and that's Fear Factory. I heard "Zero Signal" on the 95 Mortal Kombat soundtrack and was blown away. I'd say it's the song that made me interested in heavy music. I loved their mix of melody with the harsh vocals. I like most of their albums actually (Besides a few awful ones), so unlike Sepultura it will be an easier listen.
1. Beneath The Remains (1989) - A perfect album for me. In my top five thrash albums of all time, and really every song rips and kicks ass. Every one was on fire musically on this. I love this album.
2. Arise (1991) - Pretty close to BTR, but I really don't care for the cover of "Orgasmatron". Not a big fan of the song in general. Every other song rules though. "Arise", "Desperate Cry", "Dead Embryonic Cells", "Altered State" and just song after song of bangers.
3. Chaos A. D. (1993) - This is quite the divisive album. Maybe it's because it was the first Sepultura album I've ever heard, but I still love it. Maybe, their heaviest. The groove stuff works for me here and there's still enough thrash here.
4. Schizophrenia (1987) - These guys were so damn young when they made this classic, it's insane. "From The Past Comes The Storm" is one of the best openers in metal. "Troops Of Doom" was done so much better here than the original on the previous album.
5. Quadra (2020) - This is awesome. They blend in old and new and manage to make their best album in 27 years. The concept works for me, and I love how they incorporate elements of Death, Prog, and Doom in with the Thrash and Groove. This is my favorite Derek Green vocal performance. He really shows off his vocal range. And, sometimes he sounds a lot like Burton C. Bell, who I'm a fan of. Some of these songs are their best since Max left.
6. Machine Messiah (2017) - A step in the right direction. Their best in years at that point. And a solid album all around. "I Am The Enemy" is a great post Max Sepultura song.
7. Dante XXI (2006) - A minor comeback, but still a mediocre album. "Convicted To Life" is a great opener though and this was by far their best with Derek Green at this point.
8. The Mediator Between Head And Hands Must Be The Heart (2013) - Stupid as fuck album title lol. But, album is just okay. Better than a lot of their discography, but very mid. I can't even remember any standout tracks, but the album was a much easier listen than what's to come.
9. A-Lex (2009) - I know it's a problematic film, but I still love A Clockwork Orange, and I enjoyed the usage of it with one exception. Still, this was kind of forgettable with a lot of songs feeling unfinished. But, my god Ludwig Van is awful and one of their worst songs. Just a bad experiment that failed. Listen to this shit:
10. Morbid Visions (1986) - Musically, it's very impressive for such young kids. None of them were 18 when they made this. Still, it's very sloppy and terribly produced. The production ruins most of the songs. It's still heavy and close to Death Metal. But, you can hear the drastic improvement they made the next year in how much better "Troops Of Doom" sounds on Schizophrenia compared to this.
11. Kairos (2011) - Very blah and unmemorable album. These mid Sepultura albums blend together. I'll say this is the last mid one, because the remaining albums I just don't like.
12. Roots (1996) - I have zero nostalgia for this. I found it boring when I tried when I was younger and still find it dreadfully dull. "Lookaway" is just terrible and an awful use of the great Mike Patton. And get that Jonathan Davis out of my Sepultura. The Tribal stuff was awesome on Chaos AD, but way overused and boring on here. Can't stand this album. And even as an early Nu Metal album from 1996, I'd take Korn's first two albums and The Deftones first album over Roots anyday.
13. Roorback (2003) - Shit album. Not much to say about these early Derek Green albums. Once in a while, a decent Hardcore section will break out. Green's vocals aren't bad or anything, but are too similar to Max's. Still, I hate this, but not as much as the bottom two.
14. Nation (2001) - Interchangeable with the bottom album really, but has a song that I find unintentionally hilarious. "Uma Cura" has to be the goofiest song they've ever done. Sounds like something from a 90's perfume commercial. Just listen to this goofy song:
15. Against (1998) - First album without Max, and just so bad but in a boring way. Just the dullest Nu-Metal. Not even anything fun bad. Nation is just as bad, but the campiness of some of the songs makes it slightly better than this one.
I was gonna do Morbid Angel next, but I feel like going with a personal band to me and that's Fear Factory. I heard "Zero Signal" on the 95 Mortal Kombat soundtrack and was blown away. I'd say it's the song that made me interested in heavy music. I loved their mix of melody with the harsh vocals. I like most of their albums actually (Besides a few awful ones), so unlike Sepultura it will be an easier listen.
Gary
Scream Bloody Gore
I'll go to bat for "Morbid Visions". I find the sloppiness and production to be part of it's appeal-it's extreme metal at it's most primitive (both in age and sound), stripped to the bone without any regality or technical finesse. Just unpolished evil.
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Gary
Scream Bloody Gore
Anyways, my Sepultura ranking
1.) Beneath the Remains
2.) Arise
3.) Chaos AD
4.) Schizophrenia
5.) Morbid Visions
6.) Quadra
7.) Roots (it has it's moments)
Then everything else, which I have zero interest in, though I might give "Machine Messiah" a listen.
1.) Beneath the Remains
2.) Arise
3.) Chaos AD
4.) Schizophrenia
5.) Morbid Visions
6.) Quadra
7.) Roots (it has it's moments)
Then everything else, which I have zero interest in, though I might give "Machine Messiah" a listen.
Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
I haven't liked any Sepultura post-Roots, but if you're both ranking Quadra that high then I'll need to give it a shot.
My rankings for the real stuff is basically the same as yours, except I'd swap Chaos AD and Schizophrenia. I tried to convince an old band I was in to cover "Beneath the Remains" because the drummer was from Brazil, but they weren't interested.
Get ready, @Brocklock , for some real valleys after Obsolete on your Fear Factory listen. Like you, they were also my gateway to harsher metal, and probably a big reason why I got into the deathy side of grindcore as a teen via Brujeria and Phobia.
My rankings for the real stuff is basically the same as yours, except I'd swap Chaos AD and Schizophrenia. I tried to convince an old band I was in to cover "Beneath the Remains" because the drummer was from Brazil, but they weren't interested.
Get ready, @Brocklock , for some real valleys after Obsolete on your Fear Factory listen. Like you, they were also my gateway to harsher metal, and probably a big reason why I got into the deathy side of grindcore as a teen via Brujeria and Phobia.