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I remember when "Infinite Sadness" got stuck in my CD player in my car so it was nearly always playing for a couple of weeks, and the crazy Mexican chubby girl that hung out with my group of friends thought I was suicidal and called for an intervention on my behalf. My friends just pointed at her and laughed.

I always had a soft spot for Where Boys Fear to Tread.

Smashing Pumpkins - Where Boys Fear To Tread
 

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Siamese Dream is awesome, one of the best alternative albums of the era. Mellon Collie shows signs of greatness, I love the production, but too much filler. Take out like half of the tracks and make it a single album and it's pretty awesome. Adore is also much better than it gets credit for, I haven't heard it in awhile but I remember liking it a lot.

It's impressive that they were able to make three good to great albums in a row, with all of them harnessing a completely different style and sound. That's what alternative was originally about, being alternative and different (as opposed to every nu-metal band raping the same style that Nirvana made famous, thereby killing a genre dead). Good band.
 

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Zwan gets a pass from me solely for providing temporary employment to Matt Sweeney and David Pajo.
 

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The AV Club was one of the sites I was thinking of when I made my "It's time to shut down the Internet" thread.
 

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Last week, our longtime alternative station, Q101, was sold to new ownership which is now in the process of flipping the station to a news format, certainly a waste of a perfectly good FM signal. (In response, CBS flipped its mom-rock station to a simulcast of their AM news station, so we actually lost two music stations.) Anyway, the last song they played as an alternative station was "Tonight, Tonight," and damned if it didn't get me a little choked up. I was never a huge Q101 fan in the mid-'90s, the zenith of both the station and the Pumpkins, but I'd listen now and then as a change of pace. And so here's this song about being young and stuff, and I guess I thought about all the people a few years older than I who really did grow up with the station and the Smashing Pumpkins and 1990s alternative music in general, and how they're all getting old, and how their sort of suburban existence has changed since then, and radio's changing, and the world spins madly on, and so on, so forth. Admittedly, the station was in decline before the sale, being programmed out of the parent offices in St. Louis, the mere principle of which is just in so many ways fucked, but in staying true to Soundgarden and the Pumpkins and Bush and Oasis and all those bands, it was still one of the last vestiges of what just seems like a better time to be alive than today is. At least it was a powerful way to go out.

"Disarm" still has a hysterically awful chorus, though.
 

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RT @czech_republic said:
Last week, our longtime alternative station, Q101, was sold to new ownership which is now in the process of flipping the station to a news format, certainly a waste of a perfectly good FM signal. (In response, CBS flipped its mom-rock station to a simulcast of their AM news station, so we actually lost two music stations.) Anyway, the last song they played as an alternative station was "Tonight, Tonight," and damned if it didn't get me a little choked up. I was never a huge Q101 fan in the mid-'90s, the zenith of both the station and the Pumpkins, but I'd listen now and then as a change of pace. And so here's this song about being young and stuff, and I guess I thought about all the people a few years older than I who really did grow up with the station and the Smashing Pumpkins and 1990s alternative music in general, and how they're all getting old, and how their sort of suburban existence has changed since then, and radio's changing, and the world spins madly on, and so on, so forth. Admittedly, the station was in decline before the sale, being programmed out of the parent offices in St. Louis, the mere principle of which is just in so many ways fucked, but in staying true to Soundgarden and the Pumpkins and Bush and Oasis and all those bands, it was still one of the last vestiges of what just seems like a better time to be alive than today is. At least it was a powerful way to go out.

Beautiful.

Still, I don't know if the mid-nineties was a better period than today, that might just be nostalgia/Kamala talking.
 

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We're fighting three pointless wars, gas is $4 a gallon, and our government is giving serious consideration to defaulting on debt. Stealing music is the only thing that keeps me going sometimes.
 

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Thanks to my gym’s lately keeping it on the 90s satellite feed, I find I appreciate a lot of stuff now that I couldn’t stand back when I was still in my Reject All Mainstream Music phase. I then wonder if the hits of the 00s will be up for a similar reevaluation, but then my question is answered when the channel changes to the corresponding 00s station and boy, it turns out the 90s really were the last good time for commercial rock radio.
 

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I wanted to see what the #1 modern rock songs of 2010 were, so I looked it up on Wikipedia to find that Billboard doesn't have a Modern Rock tracks chart anymore, it's called Top Alternative Songs. But it pretty much serves the same purpose as the modern rock charts, I guess. Anyway, I found out that this was number one for 11 weeks last year on that chart. God Damn America.

Dirty Heads w-Rome - Lay Me Down
 

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I want to know what's so bad about the chorus of "Disarm" relative to most other 90s rock hits.
 

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I remember Edwin stating that Adore was his favourite Pumpkins album.
It totally was! I think I've gone back to Siamese Dream more over the years, but I have a much deeper attachment to Adore, which I bought the day my grandmother died and credit as one of the first "whoa, this is weird" albums I ever owned.

It's rare that I actually put on a Smashing Pumpkins album--it has to have been at least 4 years since I've done so--but I'm always incredibly pleased when I hear one of their songs. When I was 16 and freshly minted with a driver's license, it was them, Rage, and Tool on heavy rotation. I had a trunk-mounted 6-CD player, and it was thus a huge pain in the ass to change out the albums, and so Pumpkins albums tended to just stay in there for 3 or 4 months at a time. Against that company, they, in hindsight, seem the least silly.
 

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Sensei John Kreese said:
I want to know what's so bad about the chorus of "Disarm" relative to most other 90s rock hits.

I can kinda see where Czech is coming from, but it's really not even the most cringe-inducing lyric Corgan wrote in the 90s. That honor has to belong to Zero's epic "Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness/And cleanliness is Godliness, and God is empty just like me" sequence.
 

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You guys must only know like four Pumpkins songs. "Disarm" and "Zero" have nothing on

Boredoms in the bathroom shaking out the loose teeth
Sally's in the stirrups claiming her destiny
And nobody nowhere understands anything
About me and all my dreams
Lost at sea
Jack it up judy set your heart alight
Mayfair mistress of the satellites
Misspent youth- faking up a rampage
To hold off the real slaves
Paid off and staid
And what you never knew
Can never get to you
So fake it
I'll be your stumbleine
I'll be your super queen
And make you
Jukebox fuckup hanging round the drugstore
No matter what you say he'll be back for more
Mommy's in the manger with the little kids
She's got her reasons, got my forgets
Of tears and idle threats
Misplaced
And no matter what they do
They can't get to you
So fake it
I'll be your stumbleine
I'll be your super queen
And make you me
Come around ruby I could never sleep alone
 

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That's a tough call. The existence of the new SP are a bit harder to take for me because Corgan broke up SP, then "reformed" the band with Jimmy Chamberlin who was already in Zwan and a couple of ringers, so how are they any more the Smashing Pumpkins than Zwan was? It reminds me of when Skid Row dumped Sebastian Bach and then got a new singer and started a new band called Ozone Monday, and then they just started calling themselves Skid Row so that more people would come to their shows. At least with GNR, there was no official breakup, they just replaced almost all the members over a seven-year period of inactivity. But then, you could say that GNR was a lot more of a group effort than SP and that the loss of D'Arcy and Iha was a lot less damaging than the loss of Slash and Duff. So I don't know. Neither one should really use that name, but that's the difference because headlining festivals and playing clubs.

In conclusion: Don't talk about Guns N' Roses on this board.
 

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a rapper in a wheelchair said:
Sensei John Kreese said:
I want to know what's so bad about the chorus of "Disarm" relative to most other 90s rock hits.

I can kinda see where Czech is coming from, but it's really not even the most cringe-inducing lyric Corgan wrote in the 90s. That honor has to belong to Zero's epic "Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness/And cleanliness is Godliness, and God is empty just like me" sequence.
Oh, that's a terrible one. The amazing riff kinda lets me forget about it. Kinda. I think what pushes "the killer in me is the killer in you" is the overwrought arrangement going on (timpani rolls, tubular bells!) and Corgan's strangled, nasal bleat, which always got in the way of me liking the Pumpkins beyond, like Kreese said, about four or five songs.

I could've posted this in the "posts that make you laugh in real life" thread, but it's just as applicable here: the time Inc posted a diagram of reverse cowgirl and said it was the lesser two Smashing Pumpkins cracked me up and still cracks me up to this day every time I think of the Smashing Pumpkins, reverse cowgirl, or Asians.

EDIT: That was Kinetic! How embarrassing!

EDIT2: Technically I guess I'd score it Kinetic on the assist from Inc.
http://forums.thesmartmarks.com/index.php?showtopic=88373
 

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I give Billy Corgan a pass because as far as bloated, vain, self-important mid-nineties rock stars go he's practically understated next to this BROKEN LINK but I was talking about Marilyn Manson.
 

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RT @czech_republic said:
I think what pushes "the killer in me is the killer in you" is the overwrought arrangement going on (timpani rolls, tubular bells!) and Corgan's strangled, nasal bleat, which always got in the way of me liking the Pumpkins beyond, like Kreese said, about four or five songs.

You know, now that I think about it, I'm not sure "the killer in me is the killer in you" is even the worst part of that chorus. The strangled yelping of "I USED TO BE A LITTLE BOY" may surpass it in pound for pound over-wroughtness.
 

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Smashing Pumpkins - Landslide

This is a really disappointing cover. Billy tries way too hard to make his vocals sound "gentle." He should have gone full on wail. If there was ever a song that demanded the full-on 'Mellon Collie' treatment, it's this one.
 

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If there was a way to get some Dave Matthews into this thread, we'd just about have the complete set of shit I had to listen to when I was riding in someone else's car in high school.
 

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You really think Zero has an amazing riff, Czech? It sounds like the same boring descending chords used in every 90s alt-rock song as an angsty ennui signifier. I think that song is pretty much shit through and through.

Cherub Rock and that one song from Siamese Dream where the chorus goes "I'M ALL BYYYYY MYSELF". Those are the good ones.
 

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RT @czech_republic said:
a rapper in a wheelchair said:
Sensei John Kreese said:
I want to know what's so bad about the chorus of "Disarm" relative to most other 90s rock hits.

I can kinda see where Czech is coming from, but it's really not even the most cringe-inducing lyric Corgan wrote in the 90s. That honor has to belong to Zero's epic "Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness/And cleanliness is Godliness, and God is empty just like me" sequence.
Oh, that's a terrible one. The amazing riff kinda lets me forget about it.

Top comment for a video of the song on YouTube:

Emptiness is loneliness, and loneliness is cleanliness

And cleanliness is godliness, and god is empty just like me

:)
Davkiller69 2 months ago 43
 
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