2020 Election

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Pops Kamala was talking about how he might vote for Bloomburg during breakfast this morning. I guess that $125 million in TV ads is paying off!

Also Mayor Pete is doing a SECOND Fox News Town Hall tonight lol

 

[bigolsmitty]

Now that Bernie is looking like he has a good shot at taking Iowa and rolling on we're gonna face huge wave of bullshit about him. I can't bring myself to care about Joe Rogan. I think he's a dumb CHUD and all, but yeah.

Haven't been around for a bit, everybody for Bernie or Warren?

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2020/01/25/only-one-i-didnt-want-her-pick-secret-recording-trump-admits-fear-clinton-picking

http://twitter.com/BernForBernie20/status/1221220409833611277

We knew it, the media tried to deny it and trump was smart enough to be scared of it. Establishment dems can fuck off pulling the same shit twice.

 

[909]

Now that Bernie is looking like he has a good shot at taking Iowa and rolling on we're gonna face huge wave of bullshit about him. I can't bring myself to care about Joe Rogan. I think he's a dumb CHUD and all, but yeah.

Haven't been around for a bit, everybody for Bernie or Warren?

This is almost completely a Bernie board.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

I'm like 75% sure that I'm going to vote for Bernie. Up until like a month or two ago, I was 99% sure I was going to vote for Warren. I still think she's stronger policy wise and I think she's a more effective legislator than Bernie but I've got a lot of questions about her character.

Even though I joke about him a lot in GTG, there is a very mild chance I'll vote for Andrew Yang. I legitimately like the guy's message and his candor.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Bernie but if my Bernie beanie that I ordered a month ago doesn’t get delivered, may have to reconsider

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Yeah I think everyone at least who actively posts in CE (feel free to speak up though) is for Bernie at this point. I was supportive of Warren at first because I liked how she had a lot of clear cut policies on different issues but she's done herself no favours this last month or two and Sanders has proven to be a superior candidate.

 

[KOAB]

Ridin' for Biden or Tulsi

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Bernie but if my Bernie beanie that I ordered a month ago doesn’t get delivered, may have to reconsider

smfh blaming bernie because of our amazonian goods delivery culture

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Bernie but if my Bernie beanie that I ordered a month ago doesn’t get delivered, may have to reconsider

smfh blaming bernie because of our amazonian goods delivery culture

Fuck you’re right. They tricked me

 

[909]

Bernie is the only candidate I’m 100% sure represents my values and can pull enough stupid people along with him to win an election in this shithole. Pretty much as simple as that.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

1) Bernie - been this way since the last campaign. Don't agree with him on everything, but he seems the most progressive and has proven it with the most consistent voting record over the past three decades.

2) Warren - I think she'll do a lot of good, but not as progressive as Bernie or as consistent. Really though, if Bernie is like an 8.5/10, Warren is like a 7.8. I would be happy with either one, and there are issues that Warren is ahead of Bernie on for sure:

https://www.npr.org/2019/08/10/749946102/elizabeth-warrens-new-plan-on-guns-has-a-goal-reduce-gun-deaths-by-80

Bernie has obviously changed his tune on guns but this is another level and I agree with pretty much all of it.

The rest are mostly the same old corporate dems to me, with some being a little more progressive on this issue or that one. Don't really care to distinguish between them, so I'll say Yang gets the last spot on the podium for standing out with UBI and because at least he won't say he'll take Trump behind the high school and give it to him.

But the first two are way ahead of the rest to me.

 

[KingPK]

It'd be nice if Bernie would actually give more detail on policy plans like Warren has (her wealth tax plan has been analyzed and many think it won't be the magical fix people want it to be but at least it's something concrete to build on) and his followers can be abrasive as fuck (but that's politics: everyone's a shithead). I doubt his version of M4A would ever actually happen (it's the least popular option when the topic is polled) and he really hasn't explained how it would be paid for aside from suggestions of payroll tax increases. If you are going to completely overhaul something that affects 300+ million people, I'd like at least a little detail there. Getting the ACA passed was a feat in itself, imagine how much of a battle this will be.

 

[bigolsmitty]

Yeah I think I have a slight preference for Bernie over Warren because he seems to be significantly better on and more focused on foreign policy, where the President has a lot of (too much) power. He also polls better against Trump. I will vote for whichever one of them seems more viable when Super Tuesday rolls around--that's when we vote here in VA.

I think you're right PK that M4A doesn't have a good chance of passing, but in reality Bernie has always been a pragmatic legislator, taking wins where he can get them (he didn't, for example, vote against Obamacare out of purity or anything like that, and he fought to protect it). I think he would end up settling for M4A-who-want-it or a strong public option. I just hope Bernie having to compromise won't be too disillusioning and turning off lots of the younger people who he brings into caring about politics.

 

[bigolsmitty]

Tulsi

Mad props to KOAB for just picking the candidate who gets him hornt.

 

[KingPK]

I just hope Bernie having to compromise won't be too disillusioning and turning off lots of the younger people who he brings into caring about politics.

That is what concerns me the most about pretty much everything. There is way too much "My way or the highway" rhetoric on both sides and everyone digging their heels in just ensures that nothing continues to get done. People need to swallow their pride and realize that they probably aren't going to get 100% of what they want no matter what the issue. There's way too much complexity for that.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

I just hope Bernie having to compromise won't be too disillusioning and turning off lots of the younger people who he brings into caring about politics.

That is what concerns me the most about pretty much everything. There is way too much "My way or the highway" rhetoric on both sides and everyone digging their heels in just ensures that nothing continues to get done. People need to swallow their pride and realize that they probably aren't going to get 100% of what they want no matter what the issue. There's way too much complexity for that.

Obama tried to “compromise” and look how Mitch responded. No thanks.

How can you compromise with people who have no rationality?

 

[909]

Everyone knows that we won’t get what we want, but Democrats need to fight for what they believe in.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

 

[Brocklock]

I'm like 75% sure that I'm going to vote for Bernie. Up until like a month or two ago, I was 99% sure I was going to vote for Warren. I still think she's stronger policy wise and I think she's a more effective legislator than Bernie but I've got a lot of questions about her character.

Pretty much the same for me. I've always liked both, but was going to vote Warren at first. But she has lost a lot of momentum and has said some questionable things the last couple of months and it looks like I'm on team Bernie again.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

To me, that means all of us are connected, all of life is connected, and that we are all tied together.

this is pretty much the heart of bernie's entire political belief system and is the kind of joe rogan psychadelic-induced wisdom that got him that endorsement. I think most liberals can relate to it, regardless of their particular policy stances. if you're the type of person who believes in the goodness of people, the goodness of the universe, this is the kind of thing that will resonate with you. The kind of thing humans should strive towards. It just seems so genuine and rare to hear from a politician, and this kind of heart is why I support the Bernie.

 

[geniusMoment]

I'm not saying it will be easy, but I think if Bernie wins the presidency and the dems hold the house and win the senate (both are likely I think), I think there is a decent chance you get some form of M4A through.

It might not be exactly what everyone has in mind, and I'm sure some concessions will be made. But, I think if Trump loses the Republican party will be in shambles because they've done a lot of long term damage to appease him and his base. I think the dems could use that to push something through.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/28/us/politics/buttigieg-campaign-black-hispanic-staff.html
I half expect Mayor Pete to sing "It Ain't Easy Being White (It Ain't Easy Being Brown)" at his next CNN Town Hall.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

https://www.vox.com/2020/1/31/20732423/john-delaney-ends-2020-campaign
John Delaney dropped out.

We'll always have the memories of the white hot fervor that his diehard moderate views inspired...

I'm probably the only one who is mildly surprised he dropped out. He dumped a stupid amount of money in his campaign (like $15 to 20 million) and I thought he'd at least see how Iowa shook out and if any of the other dumb moderates dropped out. *shrugs*

 

[bigolsmitty]

It looks very likely that Sanders could win IA, NH, and NV.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

If Bernie wins the nomination, do you think Bloomburg or another centrist tries a 3rd party run?

And I wonder if that hurts Trump almost as much as it hurts Bernie?

 

[bigolsmitty]

Bloomberg has pledged not to: https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/477670-bloomberg-pledges-to-help-fund-democratic-nominee-even-if-it-isnt-him

Could be full of shit. He threatened to do it in 2016.

 

[Tino Standard]

Speaking of Bloomberg...

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1223325410261377031

 

[Mickey Massuco]

nothing fishy there at all

 

[KOAB]

damn just like I thought the moment it became apparent Biden wasn't gonna get the job done they would find a way to bring in Bloomie