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2021-22 What Are Those Clowns in Washington (House and Senate) Up To Now? thread
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Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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SCOOP: Manchin tells associates he's considering leaving the Democratic Party and has an exit plan
He could pull the trigger if he doesn't get his way on the Build Back Better bill.
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@Dandy , he has little to no chance of getting reelected regardless of what party he is in in 2024, correct?
Although I said the same thing about Susan Collins two years ago
Dandy
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The more he does to hurt Biden and Democrat plans, the better the chance he has of re-election in WV. It would help him if he switched parties. I have covered this before but most Democrats in the state held their nose and voted for Manchin because he was the only chance of beating current Attorney General/waste of human skin/carpetbagger/opioid drug lobbyist that had a “war” on those same companies as attorney general and then refused to take the settlement money for the state, Patrick Morrissey.
Dems will likely do the same next go around, because virtually no one can win an election as a Democrat here now.
Dems will likely do the same next go around, because virtually no one can win an election as a Democrat here now.
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Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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It sure would've been nice if Maine Democratic Party weren't such bungling buffoons last year and that we didn't have to be so reliant on WEST VIRGINIA (and ARIZONA...although I guess they're a purple state like us now).
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Still some time left for someone to come along but so far the only serious Dem challenger to Ron DeSantis's re-election bid next year is two-time loser and actual former Republican governor Charlie Crist. The Florida Democrats are just as big idiot losers as the party nationwide.
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Andrew Gillum came close to winning in 2018 on an actual progressive platform, but then he went and had a meth orgy in Miami so the lesson to take from that is to keep trotting out proven centrist failures.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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I wish Democrats didn't have the sense of shame that Republicans lack. A bisexual partying Senator could work for Florida! It's worked in Arizona for Inc's paramour!
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On the local front our rather unpopular Republican mayor handily won his re-election campaign because 1) something like 25% of the city's registered voters actually voted and 2) the Dems LITERALLY RAN NO ONE against him. His only challenge was a Never Trump Republican who was lucky to even break triple digits in total votes.
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Well, yeah, but why would he agree to that on video?
And as I have seen others make as a great point, why would he give up all the power he has right now to become just another Republican? Close to re-election time sure, but not right now.
And as I have seen others make as a great point, why would he give up all the power he has right now to become just another Republican? Close to re-election time sure, but not right now.
there's no reason whatsover for Manchin to change parties. He has all the power now. If he switched parties then Dandy would probably know the scoop best but I would think he would risk alienating people who previously voted for him while not having the trust of anyone new.
At best this is a scare tactic and more likely its just bs.
At best this is a scare tactic and more likely its just bs.
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Mother Jones updated the story to note Manchin publicly calling it "bullshit." The publisher is standing by their rumor.
Ftr, politicians are not often so pointedly direct as Manchin was, especially with cameras & microphones right there.
Ftr, politicians are not often so pointedly direct as Manchin was, especially with cameras & microphones right there.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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House votes to hold Bannon in contempt of Congress
The Department of Justice will now decide whether to prosecute Bannon for contempt.
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(I had no idea Mike Pence's older brother represented Mike Pence's old district either)
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Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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Sinema advisers resign, calling her an obstacle to progress
Five members of Sen. Kyrsten Sinema’s (D-Ariz.) Veterans Advisory Council resigned this week over her opposition to multiple aspects of Democrats’ sweeping social spending bill.In a lette…
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Top Democrats aim to strike a deal on Biden's social spending plan within hours
Democrats say they only have a handful of issues to resolve before they can strike a deal on Biden's social safety net and climate plan.
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"Democrats moved Tuesday to put the final touches on a deal to invest up to $2 trillion in social programs and climate policy, as they try to cap a months-long slog to pass their economic agenda.
“Most of that has been negotiated, most of it is ready to go,” House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, the No. 2 Democrat in the chamber, told reporters about the bill. “And we are just waiting for the last parts of the bill to be put together. We’re hopeful that that will be done in the next few hours, frankly.”
The party has scrapped provisions that would provide two years of free community college and encourage utility companies to transition to renewable energy.
Lawmakers have scaled back a proposal to offer paid leave to most Americans to four weeks of benefits instead of 12. Democrats have also faced resistance over a plan to expand Medicare coverage to include dental, vision, and hearing benefits.
Pelosi on Tuesday warned Democrats that they will have to accept cuts to the package in order for any legislation to pass, according to NBC. She told House members to “embrace” the programs that will make it into the legislation."
you mean the dems might actually pass a major piece of legislation in their first year? I'll believe it when it happens.
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Wait, Dems compromise on necessary programs that their parents/grandparents had? You don't fucking say...
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Someone ought to break his legs.
I said what I said.
I said what I said.
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Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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An Open Letter To Kyrsten Sinema's Denim Vest
Tell me a little bit about your patch. Is that a heart? A flower? Are those vines?
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Seriously, hopefully the Democrats response to last night is actually getting stuff done.
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At some point, the Democrats have to nut up and get this shit passed. I think it's a huge reason why Biden's presidency is plummeting in approval rating because the vast majority of them ran on the promise they wouldn't be like Trump and they'd actually pass shit in the House/Senate. Sooner or later they are going to have to start passing stuff and not delaying/letting literally two people have the power to hold things like this hostage for Americans. I understand the "long term" approach Pelosi/et all are striving for but they've been at this shit for months & months and it is literally all talk and relatively little action in the eyes of most common people. The epitome of what people think of is politics, "Vote for me and I swear I'll change shit. Okay, now let me try to be bipartisan and reach across the aisle so we can get some stuff passed (but not everything I promised). Okay, it took way longer than expected and we cut out a bunch of stuff you actually wanted when you voted us in but it passed, didn't it?" *waits for Republicans to dismantle it if/when they get office*
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"Adding a version of the leave policies back into the package brings back to life a central and popular plank of President Joe Biden's initial proposal, and comes as Democrats try to unify over their messaging after suffering a significant loss in the Virginia governor's race.
Democrats had previously scrapped the family leave provision after failing to reach a compromise with key moderate Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who had several objections to the measure -- a position he reiterated Wednesday. Last week, Manchin made clear he would not budge on his position on the provision, telling reporters, "I just can't do it."
Pelosi has said she wanted the House to vote on the economic agenda bill and a separate bipartisan infrastructure bill, that has already passed the Senate, by the end of this week."
Pelosi adds 4 weeks of paid family and medical leave back into social spending bill | CNN Politics
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, in a major shift, announced Wednesday that four weeks of paid family and medical leave will be added back into the social spending bill, after Democrats had previously scrapped the provision from the package.
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"Adding a version of the leave policies back into the package brings back to life a central and popular plank of President Joe Biden's initial proposal, and comes as Democrats try to unify over their messaging after suffering a significant loss in the Virginia governor's race.
Democrats had previously scrapped the family leave provision after failing to reach a compromise with key moderate Democratic Sen. Joe Manchin of West Virginia, who had several objections to the measure -- a position he reiterated Wednesday. Last week, Manchin made clear he would not budge on his position on the provision, telling reporters, "I just can't do it."
Pelosi has said she wanted the House to vote on the economic agenda bill and a separate bipartisan infrastructure bill, that has already passed the Senate, by the end of this week."
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To the extent that I'll stipulate this to be right... what do you mean, "letting" them? How do you propose that they stop them? Perhaps have Manchin wake up, with his daughter's severed head laying next to him?
They are letting them. Ask yourself why Bernie Sanders isn't holding the bill hostage to shove his wishes in there and you'll have your answer.
That being said the main reason they're letting them is because they're incompetent, and they're feckless. Politically they're weak, everyone knows it, and last night's elections showed it. And Manchin sees that to his advantage and has taken control of the situation.
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I wouldn't be opposed to that
But in all seriousness, it's been well established that Manchin/Sinema are key votes to get this thing passed. Acquiescing to their demands/desires will only get the Democrats so far and none of that guarantees that either would still get on board & vote to pass it. Democrats are letting them dictate this shit by making demands and basically posturing on how they will/won't vote on a bill if certain demands aren't met. Democrats have already cut the "Build Back Better" bill by $2 trillion from their initial proposal. At some point, Biden is gonna have to do what he says and get a way to pass it on 51 votes.
With Manchin Wavering, House Democrats Put Their Trust in Biden
The president has guaranteed the votes will be there for the Build Back Better Act. He’ll have to deliver.
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"Manchin called on the House to vote immediately for the bipartisan infrastructure bill, which he helped shepherd through the Senate in August, accusing progressives of holding the bill hostage in their efforts to get commitments from him—and moderate Democrats in the House—to support the Build Back Better Act.
Representative Pramila Jayapal, the chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, said in an interview with CNN on Monday afternoon that progressives would be ready to vote on both bills once the $1.75 trillion bill was finalized. “The president says he can get 51 votes for the bill. We are going to trust him,” Jayapal said. “We’re tired of continuing to wait for one or two people.”
Some of Manchin’s complaints have also been addressed in the bill. In a statement released after his remarks, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said, “We remain confident that the plan will gain Senator Manchin’s support.”
“Senator Manchin says he is prepared to support a Build Back Better plan that combats inflation, is fiscally responsible and will create jobs. The plan the House is finalizing meets those tests—it is fully paid for, will reduce the deficit, and brings down costs for health care, childcare, eldercare, and housing,” Psaki said."
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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If we threaten to blow up a Tudor's Biscuit World, that'd probably at least get @Dandy to bang on his door to plea him to change his mind.