Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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The whole time we were worried about Tony Khan being too obsessed over the wrong Coke.
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The only people upset about this are WWE fans. Tony is all over the Network again tonight still get publicity for AEW.
You’re a clown and that was a clown thing to say.
Tony Khan is his own worst enemy. He made a big splash a few days ago with this storyline. Got some mainstream media coverage last night during the draft with the neck brace. Was able to advertise AEW today on an entirely new platform on the NFL Network to a large group of fans that probably have never even heard of AEW as compared to WWE….and he totally shit the bed. He made a bad comparison to Harvey Weinstein that the hosts awkwardly laughed at and then almost immediately rushed him off the air afterwards. Anybody watching that who is not already a fan of AEW certainly could not have walked away from that segment thinking “He seems cool. Maybe I’ll check that out.” He instead came off as awkward and bitter. Why stop at Harvey Weinstein? Why not just compare WWE to Hitler?
I’m not offended he compared WWE to Weinstein. I really don’t care. I just thought the comparison came off extremely cringe. I have no disillusions about the fact that Vince McMahon was and is a disgusting misogynistic rapist. Those texts certainly speak for themselves. And there were absolutely a good number of executives who must also be considered culpable for what went on merely because of their silence. But there are many, many others within WWE who did nothing wrong and had no knowledge of the misdeeds. To compare the ENTIRE company to Harvey Weinstein because of a number of bad apples is simply clownish behavior. Just as it would be for Triple H to go on the NFL Network and compare AEW to Harvey Weinstein for employing career sexual assaulters Ric Flair and Chris Jericho among, I’m sure, many others.
For the most part, Triple H comes off cool and collected when he does interviews. Tony Khan comes across like a fucking dweeb. He did today as he does most other times. And I guarantee he got no new eyeballs on the product even after the media attention over the last two days. But we’ll see in the ratings over the next week.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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Except Vince and Harvey Weinstein probably.
You know that one bad apple literally spoils the entire bunch right?
Wait I almost didn't see the 'why not compare WWE to Hitler' thing. What kind of bullshit is that?
They weren't even an accusation. They were one person tweeted something and a notoriously unreliable performer hit the retweet button.
I did? Show me where I defended Vince from a comparison to Weinstein. You need to put down the phone. You sound demented and I’m not even going to respond to your nonsense.
And again, I will point to the fact that they almost immediately tried to switch the topic back to football and then wrapped up the interview seconds after he gave this comparison. Of course it may have just been a coincidence and that the interview was going to end at that point already, but it’s clear they were uncomfortable and didn’t know what to say. The NFL does partner time to time with WWE and I’m sure they did not particularly like an occasional business partner of theirs being compared directly and unequivocally to a serial rapist but I doubt you will be convinced if anything different other than NFL execs high fiving each other after the interview and planning to give Tony a weekly segment after that. I’m interested to see if he gets another live interview at any point with the NFL.
It’s a publicly shared billion-dollar company. It’s totally justified and fair to crucify the CEO who did the wrongdoing plus the underlings who hid what he did. But it’s virtue-signaling nonsense to say “the entire company is evil” which is literally Tony’s quote because the company had some bad people working there. I can guarantee that every single multi billion dollar company in the United States has had at least one terrible person who has done awful things working for them at one point or another. It’s a statistical impossibility to pretend otherwise. To jump back into the Weinstein comparison, I didn’t see many people calling Miramax an “evil juggernaut” once the accusations started coming out. It’s separating the man and his disgusting actions from the company as a whole that has done a lot of good and charitable things over its lifetime. Which most people can do except, apparently, wrestling fans.
And as pointed out, AEW is responsible for employing some pretty morally reprehensible individuals and I don’t know if they can quite stand on that soapbox of morality. Besides Ric Flair, we can dive into Sammy Guevara and his “I’d rape her” remarks towards Sasha Banks, or Darby Allin being accused of raping and mentally abusing his girlfriend or Justin Roberts being accused of sexually texting a 17 year old girl or the sexual harassment claims against Don Callis. AEW has quite a good amount of people under their employ who have been accused of some pretty heinous stuff and I haven’t seen anyone from WWE throw them under the bus for employing these people. There’s good old fashioned mudslinging between rival companies, and then there’s the incendiary bullshit that Tony went on TV today about. Tony should manage his own house first and those under his own roof before throwing inflammatory stones at the big evil juggernaut.
I can’t believe the argument here is essentially whether Tony did a good interview today and there are multiple people arguing that he DID and that the comparison he made was great. I feel like I’m in the Twilight Zone. It’s so clear that the interview was a disaster, the comparison was foolish, and Tony made AEW look like a bush-league, second-rate joke. I almost start to think I’m crazy until I leave the echo chamber of this forum and see that the vast majority of the wrestling world today actually agrees with me.
NFL teams own the NFL Network and Shad Khan is one of those owners. The Jags org can get TV time when they want it. You're being ridiculous.
Miramax btw initially went down. Their library got sold to other studios. If you're saying WWE doesn't deserve the same thing that happened to Miramax then alright, but Miramax was certainly treated like an evil juggernaut. Their executives were accused of being complicit in coverups, the same thing that's being done here, so this is actually a great comparison that you made.
You keep equating Vince's stuff to Twitter rumors. Most people in the world think that it's stupid when people do that. I'm gonna say something else too. If the vast majority of the wrestling world was in lockstep with my opinion I would be concerned about my opinion. The great moral compass of the wrestling world out there, oh boy I'm frightened by that.
You wrote like a thirty minute post to defend WWE. That's something i'd be uncomfortable with. The public face of WWE was Vince, to a lot of people it still is Vince, and a lot of people think Vince is a fucked up person. Nobody's gonna change that.
To make things clear, the lasting image most people have of Tony Khan and of the Jags this weekend is that he wore a neckbrace at the NFL Draft and NFL Draft hosts thought it was cool. If you're looking and hunting or trying to spin public opinion into something else, you're fishing for something. If you have to feed on negativity, if that's your deal, go ahead. A regular person who doesn't care about wrestling would take everything you're saying as a defense of Vince McMahon and they'd think you're crazy.
What he said was the fucking truth but my point is that nobody cares.
What he said was the fucking truth but my point is that nobody cares.
Lastly, 'I go from one echo chamber that disagrees with me to another echo chamber that agrees with me and I'm not crazy because they're right' is not the W you think it is
Obviously, there are a lot of people who don't agree with you, and it isn't hard to find them, but you're searching for something that reinforces your opinion. Of course that's how you're going to feel.
Obviously, there are a lot of people who don't agree with you, and it isn't hard to find them, but you're searching for something that reinforces your opinion. Of course that's how you're going to feel.
We’re not talking about the Jaguars getting TV Time. Quite obviously, the Jags make up 1/32 of the NFL and will get plenty of news coverage. We’re talking about Tony Khan himself getting more TV Time and another platform to push AEW again. I’m interested to see if it happens.
And in regards to Miramax, I’m talking about the fact that people didn’t immediately bang the drums to throw the baby out with the bathwater and call the entire studio evil because Harvey was a scumbag. Public opinion was much more tempered and calculated but there is no subtlety in the tribalistic world of professional wrestling. It’s all or nothing. Youre either perfect or irredeemably evil. It’s laughable.
And all I am merely doing here is bringing up accusations against those under AEW’s
Employment which I think is totally fair. Where there is smoke, there is often fire. Flair had an entire episode of The Dark Side of the Ring focused on him being a disgusting pervert. Sammy Guevara making those comments isn’t a rumor, they are fact. The girl who accused Justin Robert’s of asking for naked photos produced the DMs. All of these weren’t just baseless anonymous rumors. They just didn’t get a shred of the media attention that Vince has gotten. It’s possible that both organizations can and, in actuality, have employed morally unseedy individuals that have taken part in reprehensible actions. It doesn’t HAVE to be a zero-sum game where one organization is good and one is evil. But that’s the angle often taken here.
And that last sentence is where we differ. This forum very much drinks the AEW Kool-Aid - going on other boards is often a palate cleanser because there seems to be more analysis that is down to the middle than heavily skewed as it is here.
Productive. This is exactly what I mean by “echo chamber.” I don’t agree with the popular viewpoint so I get directly compared to the person who was the most reprehensible person to ever post here. Cute.
You can debate things without being an asshole.
It's more that I think I'm too old to spend my time focusing on negative things, which is why I hardly post about Vince even though there's plenty of stuff to post about. But I will address this a little bit. Also, Tony got more time to promote AEW during the NFL Draft tonight. That's what I'm trying to say, his comment is a nothing burger in the sense you think it is. Rich Eisen was promoting it for him.
Agree
They were an extremely bad joke that he got punished for at the time. Are we firing people for jokes now?
Holy shit dude are you joking right now. The FBI raided Titan Towers.
Unverified Twitter produced DMs against a ring announcer
vs.
FBI raids WWE's office building
Vince was the employer. Not the employee. His right hand man is a rapist too. They took turns raping the same woman and he used company money to fly them around. That's why the angle is different.
I should have included this but do you think the NFL Network hosts were definitely uncomfortable because Tony was wrong to bring up Harvey Weinstein, do you think they might have been uncomfortable because they don't want to give away their true thoughts (positive or negative) on the subject, do you think they were uncomfortable solely because they were talking about something else, or do you think they might have been uncomfortable because they think it's true. Most people think Vince = WWE. Because I think it's true that Vince is exactly like Harvey Weinstein but I don't want to lose my job over it.
And the fact is, at some point Tony is going to be these hosts boss too. He's going to be 1 of 32. The NFL isn't kicking him out of the old boys club. He and his dad are there because for whatever reason regular people have a lot of respect for them. Wrestling fans are weird though, they might not have respect for him, but that shows you how out of touch wrestling fans are with the real world. Wrestling fans have really weird complexes about all kinds of shit and this is one of those things. If you think Tony made wrestling look bad to regular people this week you’re just wrong. Maybe it made wrestling look bad to you, but we’re wrestling fans. We’re weird. We watch people fake fight in their underwear.
And the fact is, at some point Tony is going to be these hosts boss too. He's going to be 1 of 32. The NFL isn't kicking him out of the old boys club. He and his dad are there because for whatever reason regular people have a lot of respect for them. Wrestling fans are weird though, they might not have respect for him, but that shows you how out of touch wrestling fans are with the real world. Wrestling fans have really weird complexes about all kinds of shit and this is one of those things. If you think Tony made wrestling look bad to regular people this week you’re just wrong. Maybe it made wrestling look bad to you, but we’re wrestling fans. We’re weird. We watch people fake fight in their underwear.
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Firstly, this is more to do with your response style and inability to understand why you're coming off poorly. It's very Jingus. It is highly amusing as such. None of that has anything to do with it being an echo chamber in the slightest. It has to do with your poor presentation and defense of your absurd comments. It's about Jingus's mental deficiencies and inability to understand why he came off like a dunderhead, not that he was a diddler. You're being deliberately obtuse.
Secondly, I'm one of the harder people on AEW here. I'm highly critical of TK, the company, the booking, the style-- they do a lot of shit that I think could be better and a lot of things that I think get overlooked by people because they like other aspects. I want them to succeed, and there are many things that keep them from knocking it out of the park on all fronts. I'm not the only one who thinks so, nor am I the only one who posts about it. By your response, it's very clear you are only seeing what you want to see about any of the posts here if my posts in any way seem echo chamber to you. Or there's the very possibility you don't know what echo chamber means when it comes to the buzz terms you're wanting to project onto everyone. It does happen. They're a lot like Hitler.
Not true in the slightest. I have my opinion and I gave my opinion. I got dog piled by five people here in the span of a few minutes. I said to myself “wow. Am I really that far off? What do people think outside of this forum?” And then I saw a lot of other people who shared the same opinion I had and I said “ok. Maybe I’m not totally insane after all.” I don’t need to find people who agree with me. My opinion would remain my opinion. But I did find some differences in thoughts and viewpoints outside of this forum than I would have otherwise seen had I only read posts here.
I’m actually not advocating for anybody to get fired. I’m not for cancelling anybody for shit they said that was stupid when they were younger. Sammy apologized and seemingly learned from it so it’s fine to move on. But I’m pointing out that there’s a bit of hypocrisy in targeting WWE with a direct comparison to a known rapist while employing people who may have also engaged in rape or joked they would like to rape someone or tried to make moves towards engaging in statutory rape. Unless you can be sure your house is totally in order, going on national television and throwing stones seems a bit reckless because, if Nick Khan truly wanted to, he could go on national television tomorrow and cast these same aspersions on AEW. Obviously he never would because there’s no benefit to it, but the chance to do so is there.
I’ve already said Vince should get absolutely everything coming to him for what he’s done as well as John Laurinitis and anybody else who was complicit in hiding this. If it turns out Nick Khan and Triple H were involved, get rid of them too. But my argument that it is unfair to call the entire organization of World Wrestling Entertainment a “really evil juggernaut” and directly comparing them to Harvey Weinstein because some of their executives were involved in some really heinous acts remains. I am not going to keep getting into a back and forth on Vince’s actions because there is no argument from me - his actions were indefensible. My argument more so is about WWE as a whole and not the deviant, evil CEO that was at the top of it.
I think they were uncomfortable because bringing up the topic of Harvey Weinstein on what is supposed to be a milquetoast, non-offensive recap of the NFL draft was controversy they were not looking for in that time slot. You have to play the game of knowing where you are when you’re conducting an interview and if what you are about to say is appropriate for where you are. And to me, it is clear that the hosts and the producers were not crazy with Tony bringing that comparison up, and decided to wrap it up soon after. Their thoughts on whether Vince did it or not is irrelevant. I think most people know he’s guilty. The texts are undeniable. But I don’t think they are happy Tony used that forum to essentially bring up the accusations because I’m sure it wasn’t discussed in any pre-interview beforehand.
Of course this is all speculation.
Again, the Khans own the Jaguars. Of course the Jaguars are going to get media coverage. But next time, producers might say “you know what, let’s get Shad on or another Jacksonville team rep rather than his wacky, awkward son” if they don’t trust he’s not going to say something stupid again. That’s why I said it would be interesting to see if he gets more face time with the NFL in the upcoming weeks or months.
Quite frankly, your opinion of how I am coming off is totally meaningless to me. If you want to debate what I am saying, then let’s debate. That’s what message boards are here for after all. But if you’re going to resort to inflammatory name-calling — and come on now, you compared me to the most vile poster we have ever had here instead of comparing me to an argumentative chowderhead like MikeSC or Damaramu so you don’t be obtuse in what you were doing there — I don’t have any time for you.
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It should have meaning, as you're angling for a debate but I can't objectively take you seriously due to your inability to come off well. 909 should be commended for trying given the levels of selective hearing and whataboutism he's wading through.
Again, you are arguing like Jingus. That's an observation, and a call for improvement for the sake of your own arguments. MikeSC devolved more into the "inflammatory name calling," however you are much like Dama in the sense you're basically pulling the HIVE MIND argument for no real reason other than more than one person disagrees with you in the mildest of ways. Comparing you to Dama, of course, doesn't mean I think you're from Oklahoma. I don't wanna add to alleged name calling.
I appreciate you not denying that you don't pay attention to the AEW discourse on the board, though.
I agree that Tony likes when WWE takes shots at them because it does get AEW more attention and it gives him an unequivocal opportunity to take potshots back. I don’t agree that he would like to have to battle back against those PARTICULAR accusations. Look how uncomfortable he got when he was asked about the rumors with Jericho and he ended up forgetting to take off his wig and sunglasses or whatever the hell that was that he did at that press conference. Again, I say there’s a major difference between good old-fashioned mud-slinging and accusations of sexual misconduct (which, YES, are true but was strange to bring up in that interview today). Not all publicity is good publicity, despite what the saying is, and I don’t think Tony would do particularly well on that hot seat.
If you have read the lawsuit filing against Vince and WWE you would see that it is a top to bottom issue in WWE. This isn't Vince or one/two other executives. This is a company wide problem. We've all known this too for decades.
What company was Ric Flair in during "the plane ride from hell" after all?
AEW working with Ric Flair is troubling and most of the fanbase's reaction was negative to it that I've seen. I think it was entirely done as a favour to Sting, not that it excuses it.
I also think there is difference between having a company that is run top to bottom by people accused of serious crimes versus one that is "ric flair, a guy who made a rape joke, and some social media accusations". I'm being intentionally frivolous here but the wider point is valid.
What company was Ric Flair in during "the plane ride from hell" after all?
AEW working with Ric Flair is troubling and most of the fanbase's reaction was negative to it that I've seen. I think it was entirely done as a favour to Sting, not that it excuses it.
I also think there is difference between having a company that is run top to bottom by people accused of serious crimes versus one that is "ric flair, a guy who made a rape joke, and some social media accusations". I'm being intentionally frivolous here but the wider point is valid.
I mean you might have invented Bullet-Time. I wasn't there.
