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So I ended up doing a quick rewatch of the first three Hellraiser films and then went right to the reboot. I will say this much. The reboot was so incredibly different than the other films, that I think it worked uniquely as it's own. It did a nice job expanding a bit on the source material and gave a bit of fun nods to us who have watched these older films over n over. Kinda similar to the Suspiria remake in that I'd hardly barely even call it a remake or reboot, but instead a complete reimagining, almost a compliment to especially the first two. I'm with the sentiment that it was right after the first three in terms of enjoyment factor. The new Pinhead was ominous a bit, but nothing compares to the original. I dug the story they were going with in terms of the addiction struggle subtext stuff, but I couldn't get into the Riley character. It was a complex one that she handled well, but thought it didn't fully connect.

I figure while I'm at it, I'll rewatch the rest of the Hellraiser films this week, then onto all of the films in the Howling series to close off the month off... strangely enough I've never seen a single one of them before.
 

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This needs further explanation/an in-depth review ;)
The Snorkel is part of the Hammer Films: The Icons of Suspense DVD set that I've resolved to get through this year. I guess you could say that The Snorkel is more of a murder mystery than a straight up horror movie. That's fine to me; my horror section has some Hitchcock-style murder mysteries that also fit the spooky season bill in my view. Anyway, Peter Van Eyck is the main character who murders his wife by drugging her milk and asphyxiating her with a gas leak. He seals up the room and locks the door from the inside, hiding in the floorboards using a snorkel to breathe via outside tubes until the body is taken away. His stepdaughter suspects him right away, but can't prove what she knows to be true. Things escalate from there. He spends the rest of the film trying to convince her of his innocence while also trying to kill her. Oh, he also kills her dog at one point because he's a scumbag like that. His snorkel is clever, but it also proves to be his undoing and it's kinda twisted how the stepdaughter ultimately gains her revenge.

Better than I was expecting, though not mindblowing or anything. Seems like a low-budget affair in black & white that probably broke even at the box office. Mandy Miller puts on an appropriately melodramatic performance for the time as the stepdaughter. Quite amusing seeing a fifteen-year-old girl chewing up the scenery as she does at times. Her performance carries and elevates things too; she's rather talented. Peter Van Eyck isn't as slimy/charming as he could be in his role, but that might also be me watching him through 2022 eyes. I'm not sure how far actors were allowed to go in portraying murderous slimeballs in 1958, so I give Van Eyck a pass because he's good otherwise. Solid three-star effort out of five.
 

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I watched a Hammer movie last night in "Dr Jekyll and Sister Hyde". It's a 70s one, so there's a bit more nudity and bloodshed than older ones. There is also some interesting themes/dynamics involving sexuality and gender, though whether or not it's offensive depends on who you are (I think it has a following among LGBT horror fans.)
 

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I figure while I'm at it, I'll rewatch the rest of the Hellraiser films this week, then onto all of the films in the Howling series to close off the month off... strangely enough I've never seen a single one of them before.
Ooh boyyyyy...I'm not sure which series falls harder compared to the original, but I will say that the first Howling is my second favorite werewolf movie after Ginger Snaps.

Side note: my top 10 werewolf movies
1. Ginger Snaps
2. The Howling
3. Dog Soldiers
4. An American Werewolf in London
5. Late Phases
6. The Wolf Man
7. Ginger Snaps II: Unleashed
8. Wolf Cop
9. Teen Wolf
10. Silver Bullet

Side of the side note: Monster Squad has my single favorite werewolf on screen, but I don't count it as a werewolf movie because it's an ensemble.
 
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Glad to see @Laz throwing Ginger Snaps II on that list. I have a real soft spot for it despite the first being so great.

Re-watched Tucker & Dale vs. Evil and it's just as hilarious as it was the first time I saw it. The casting is great with Alan Tudyk standing out in his performance. Just the right tone of "serious" actual plot with a comedic black humor bent and it's in & out at an hour and 23. None of this 2 hour bullshit for a movie that doesn't need it.
 

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I always wished there would be another Ginger Snaps movie, or I had even heard rumors a few years ago that a TV series was being developed? While I enjoyed the first two, that third prequel one was not very good. But would love to see more in terms of sequels or the story of the two girls being told further.

Watched Hellraiser Bloodline last night and what the fuck? This has some similar background to Halloween 6 in that the production was a fucking shitshow, and then in post-production, Dimension/Weinsteins went crazy and made signficant cuts in the original version and demanded almost an entirely new film. So two reshoots happened and they brought in the guy who did Halloween 6 (Joe Chapelle) to handle the reshoots. It went from an almost two hour film down to 85 minutes of a really disconnected version. I thought the idea behind this wasn't bad at all, but the way they executed it in the final version was a total mess.

I guess YouTube has a workprint version of Bloodline similar to the producer's cut of H6 that I plan on checking out to see the differences.
 

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A few things coming to Blu and 4K

-Vinegar Syndrome has UHD editions of Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 and The Werewolf vs The Vampire Woman available for pre order. The original Amityville Horror is also available on UHD

-Lionsgate is releasing Silents Night, Deadly Night 3-5 on Blu. At the very least, I like the fifth one.

-Shout! Factory is releasing Carrie, ParaNorman, Coraline, the original Black Christmas and The Company of Wolves on UHD.

-Finally, it has no official release date and some might debate if it counts, but Altered Innocence has done a 2K restoration of "Irreversible"
 

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My Halloween month watchlist so far:
- Elvira, Mistress of the Dark (1988)
- X (2022)
- Frankenstein (1931)
- Black Sunday (1960)
- The Mummy (1932)
- Arsenic & Old Lace (1944)
- Cash on Demand (1961)
- Dracula (1931)
- Creature from the Black Lagoon (1954)
- Elvira's Haunted Hills (2002)
- Bride of Frankenstein (1935)
- The Wolf Man (1941)
- Halloween Kills (2021)
- The Mummy's Hand (1940)
- Night of the Living Dead (1968)
- The Snorkel (1958)
- Dracula's Daughter (1936)
- Halloween Ends (2022)
- Revenge of the Creature (1955)
- Son of Frankenstein (1939)
- Salem's Lot (1979)
This past week:
- Werewolf of London (1935)
- An American Werewolf in London (1981)
- The Mummy's Tomb (1942)
- Cat People (1982)
- Dark Glasses (2022)
- Dawn of the Dead (1978)
- Maniac (1963)
- Rosemary's Baby (1968)
- Son of Dracula (1943)
- Dr. Jekyll & Sister Hyde (1971)
- The Creature Walks Among Us (1956)
- Ghost of Frankenstein (1942)
- Hellraiser (2022)
- Trick 'r Treat (2007)

Hadn't seen anything new from Dario Argento since watching The Stendhal Syndrome about 20 years ago. That was trash. I'm not sure if I want to say that Dark Glasses is a return to form, but it is his best effort in the 40 years that have passed since Tenebrae.

Maniac '63 is part of the Hammer Films: The Icons of Suspense DVD set and not as interesting as the story or trailer would have you believe.

Gotta say that the Creature from the Black Lagoon series has been quite solid drive-in horror entertainment. None of these movies are bad at all and I love the underwater photography.

I didn't think Hulu Hellraiser was great or anything, but not bad. Gotta admit that I'm not a fan of the Hellraiser series like some folks out there are; I own the first two and have watched them a lot. Not sure how many of the post-Hellbound sequels I've seen because it was a long time ago that I watched them, but they ranged from "whatever" to "downright awful" for me. Hulu Hellraiser was at least better than those sequels. I also liked it much more than Halloween Kills and/or Ends, as well as that awful Suspiria remake/reimagination for whatever that's worth.
 

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I didn't think Hulu Hellraiser was great or anything, but not bad. Gotta admit that I'm not a fan of the Hellraiser series like some folks out there are; I own the first two and have watched them a lot. Not sure how many of the post-Hellbound sequels I've seen because it was a long time ago that I watched them, but they ranged from "whatever" to "downright awful" for me. Hulu Hellraiser was at least better than those sequels. I also liked it much more than Halloween Kills and/or Ends, as well as that awful Suspiria remake/reimagination for whatever that's worth.
I agree with ya on where it ranks, and I will say as well that its eons better than the Suspiria one. I couldn't get into the Suspiria reimagining as the runtime got me, plus too dramatically different than the original. Hellraiser at least kept to its' roots it felt like, with some nice additions to the mythology. I vaselate between it ranking before or after the third one. Hell on Earth is kinda off, but shit, compared to the rest of the sequels, it was far superior.

So I ended up just rewatching all the Hellraisers over the past week or so, and whew, it was indeed meandering. Most of them were on Cinemax OD, in at least really better vid quality than I originally had. All I had was an old fullscreen DVD multipmovie pack of 3-8 particularly.

Like I said, part three could have been so much better and a majority of instances made no fucking sense in the context of the Hellraiser universe, but I thought as an extension to the second film, it delivered somewhat. This was the first of the series I ended up seeing way back when, so that might explain why I still dig it.

I mentioned already the mess that was Bloodline, and to think this was their idea to kill off Pinhead too....wow. Just bizzare. The workprint cut on YouTube wasnt much better, really.

From this point, the films really shift into a lesser quality (although some are surely better than Bloodline, a low bar to reach) and many feel like a seperate original story with a Hellraiser addition rewrite added to it in pre production. In a few of them, that certainly was the case. I'd say most are tolerable, but particulary Revelations and Judgment are just straight up atrocious. I think both were done to simply keep the franchise with Dimension at the time.

The last one with Doug Bradley was Hellworld (part 8), and what an underwhelming one to go out on. That was filmed back to back with Deader, I felt one of the better sequels past part 3. I remember at the time that both of those were in some sort of shelved hell of sorts for years after they were filmed.

Hellseeker was pretty decent too, that was the one with the Kristy character returning, presumably dying, only to reveal she made another deal with Pinhead to avoid her own death. Apparently there was some plans to follow up Hellseeker with a follow up Kristy vs Pinhead finale type of film, but then came Deader instead. That was always the thing missing from a Hellraiser followup, too bad it never happened.

11) Revelations
10) Judgment
9) Bloodline
8) Hellworld
7) Inferno
6) Hellseeker
5) Deader
4) 2022 Remake
3) Hell on Earth
2) Hellbound
1) Hellraiser
 
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I can only watch the first one. Haven't seen the second in over ten years, though, so maybe I should go back. First one is just a beautifully made horror film.

Just occurred to me that I can literally say all of that about Halloween (if you don't count Halloween 3, anyway).
 

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I've now started into the Howling franchise, and part 2 and 3 may very well be the most weird and wtf of any horror sequels ever. Brutally bizzare and bad stuff, sometimes incredibly unwatchable and then it will flip itself n be this catastrophe so fucked up it has to be seen.

I'm at 4 now and this one is so fuckin low budget they did a shitty voiceover on all the dialogue. At the time of filming, apparently they didn't record the sound at all. It's so bad it has to be seen.

Tubi has most of the Howling sequels, not the first though. The original is a masterpiece, atmosphere was so well done as well as the physical effects, impressive as fuck for it's time. Too bad Joe Dante didn't keep hold to the Howling franchise after the first one. It would have been interesting to see a follow-up from him, esp if he'd pull a Gremlins 2 and go self parody etc a bit with it all.
 

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I can’t recall a single Monsters, or Tales from the Darkside episode; but I remember the intros very well. Watched a fair amount of them as a kid, as well as Friday the 13th the series. More of those stuck with me.
 

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I can’t recall a single Monsters, or Tales from the Darkside episode; but I remember the intros very well. Watched a fair amount of them as a kid, as well as Friday the 13th the series. More of those stuck with me.
This one too (for me anyway:)

I'm pretty sure I thought the opening of Alien Nation was a shoot too.
No wonder I'm a coward.
 

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I can’t recall a single Monsters, or Tales from the Darkside episode; but I remember the intros very well. Watched a fair amount of them as a kid, as well as Friday the 13th the series. More of those stuck with me.
I definitely remember the intros as well. I feel like with "budget" constraints for shows, the lack of cool/memorable intros are kind of falling by the wayside. Now you're lucky if you get the text of the show on a fancy background before the episodes start.
 

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I remember Children of the Corn IV being a shockingly good standalone movie. Recall nothing about 2, and 3.
 

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Revelation rules. Michael Ironside and Crystal Lowe's rack are seriously what the series needed.
 

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Just watched The Scariest Story Ever: A Mickey Mouse Halloween Spooktacular. Very enjoyable cartoon episode with some decent gags, creepy visuals that would've effected me if I was 5-8 years old, and some nods to classic horror tales (Frankenstein, Dracula, and Hansel & Gretel in this instance).
 

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I remember Children of the Corn IV being a shockingly good standalone movie. Recall nothing about 2, and 3.
3 had effects done by Screaming Mad George so the gore is ridiculous. Charlize Theron also pops up as an extra in a couple scenes.
 

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So still trucking on thru these fucking Howling movies....parts 2 through 4 are absolutely gawd fucking awful pieces of shit that do have some so atrocious they are funny vibes, esp the third one.

Moving onto part 5 and 6, it seemed like there was a legit effort to really make the scripts, characters, and scares/gore much more meaningful. Neither of these also had much of any comedy elements to them. 5 was kinda like a who done it mystery of who was the werewolf in an old castle setting, this was actually really good and was probably the best sequel of the bunch (so far). 6 was more of a ghost town, rural setting in that a sympathetic shape shifter arrives in this desolute place, and at the same time a mysterious freak show circus arrives. It probably sounds weird and not very entertaining from that brief description but this film also delivers for the most part.

Two more to go.....part 7 and then a reboot of the original.....
 
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