General Marvel Studios News and Events

[Youth N Asia]

The older I get the more I love the idea of 8-10 episode series. I would have probably stuck with the CW hero shows if they kept them to a dozen or less.

Hopefully they know what they’re doing. Maybe a back door pilot or two snuck in there or something.

 

[Aero]

With the 18 episodes, part of me wonders if they're going to sort of turn Daredevil into a procedural with an overarching story. But why mess with what worked in the first place?

Also, count me as someone who didn't hate Eternals. It was far from perfect and could have easily dropped 30 minutes, but I thought it was decent. Probably enjoyed it more than Thor, actually. Now I just wish someone else in the MCU would talk about that big stone Celestial that mysteriously appeared in the middle of the ocean, or that giant, live Celestial that showed up in the sky one afternoon and kidnapped a few people.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

I think Eternals was technically a hit even if it was one of the lesser hits of the MCU. IIRC, overseas box office saved it. In any case, I guess they made enough to run it back whether we want it or not.

 

[Youth N Asia]

Also wouldn’t shock me if that one season of Daredevil was split into two parts.

I wanted to like Eternals. I’m a sucker for a lot of this stuff, but it was just so dull. My dumbass will be there in the theater for the sequel though.

 

[AA484]

What was the length of the earlier seasons? Maybe they will be shorter eps

 

[Youth N Asia]

What was the length of the earlier seasons? Maybe they will be shorter eps

13 episodes was the Netflix marvel season norm. In some cases it feels like some of those could have been shortened a bit. The current Marvel, and Star Wars Disney+ Series have been like 8 or less

 

[Cartman]

Maybe it's cause i'm old but I miss the longer series. Most of these 6-8 ep series are good, but always feel rushed in the end.

 

[909]

A longer Daredevil is needed IMO. The amount of characters they may bring back requires it.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

The Pro of an 18 episode series is that it gives greater time for character development, relationship building, arc building.

The Con of an 18 episode series is that often times it feels like the main plot can be done in 7-8 episodes instead and not all of the "filler" episodes always work (flipside being that sometimes the filler episodes can be the best in a series).

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Shocked that they are giving Eternals another try after how bad it was and how badly it did overall. Hopefully they really overhaul the presentation.

How badly it did overall? They made a movie with characters that literally nobody had ever heard of, and it made back double its budget.

 

[Cartman]

Yea I tend to love "filler" eps on TV series.

 

[Dandy]

I got used to 13 episode seasons, especially when channels/streaming services had four of them one right after the other for a full calendar year.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1561997990897717248

If this does not become the premise of an episode of Season 2 of What If...?, I will be HEATED.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

China lifts apparent ban on Marvel movies after four years with surprise Black Panther and Ant-Man release

Marvel films will be released in China in February

news.yahoo.com

Wakanda Forever's worldwide gross is sitting at $837M. Could a billion still be in play? BP1 did make over $100MM in China.

 

[One Epic Winter (OEW)]

Mila Kunis Reportedly in Talks to Play Fantastic 4's The Thing

A new rumor has consumed Film Twitter ... with the notion that Marvel might gender-swap The Thing, and hire Mila Kunis to portray the beloved Fantastic 4 hero in the forthcoming 2025 flick.

www.tmz.com

We're 3 for 3 with bad Fantastic Four movies so sure, why not just go crazy with it?

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

well shit if someone on twitter says so.

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

Mila Kunis. The Thing. Blah blah "rock hard" yadda yadda.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1658503383001563136

CWM is gonna have a new least favorite MCU movie.

 

[909]

Marvel To Drop All Episodes Of ‘Hawkeye’ Spinoff ‘Echo’ At Once On Disney+ In Streaming Strategy Shift

Marvel is launching a new binging strategy on Disney+. Kevin Feige just revealed that all episodes of Hawkeye spin-off Echo will drop at once on November 29. This is a new move for the company, which has previously aired episodes week to week. “In Hawkeye, fans were first introduced to Maya...

deadline.com

This is otherwise known as wow we shouldn’t have made this

 

[HarleyQuinn]

Marvel To Drop All Episodes Of ‘Hawkeye’ Spinoff ‘Echo’ At Once On Disney+ In Streaming Strategy Shift

Marvel is launching a new binging strategy on Disney+. Kevin Feige just revealed that all episodes of Hawkeye spin-off Echo will drop at once on November 29. This is a new move for the company, which has previously aired episodes week to week. “In Hawkeye, fans were first introduced to Maya...

deadline.com

This is otherwise known as wow we shouldn’t have made this

Yeah, not a good sign especially when it looks like Loki is getting the normal week to week drop.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

‘Daredevil’ Hits Reset Button as Marvel Overhauls Its TV Business

Launched during the pandemic with a playbook to shoot $150 million-plus seasons with no pilots, the Disney unit is undergoing growing pains and seeing the logic of "traditional TV culture."

www.hollywoodreporter.com

great paragraph

Through it all, the company eschewed the traditional TV-making model. It didn’t commission pilots but instead shot entire $150 million-plus seasons of TV on the fly. It didn’t hire showrunners, but instead depended on film executives to run its series. And as Marvel does for its movies, it relied on postproduction and reshoots to fix what wasn’t working.

 

[Brocklock]

Based on pre sales and Box Office Tracking, The Marvels might end up with one of the lowest opening weekends of the MCU in the 50 to 75 million range. There's not much excitement and hype behind it, and the trailer looked lame and like every comic book movie. If it opens in the 50's like The Flash, that would be a disaster.

It's been said a lot, but yeah superhero movie fatigue is real. I'm interested in seeing how Aquaman 2 does. The first did much better than I was expecting, but that was 2018. People love Jason Momoa, but that didn't help Fast X from being one of the lowest grossing films of the series domestically. The test screenings are supposed to be bad and everything about the production seems like a disaster. I could see it bombing badly, but looking at the schedule there's really no other big blockbusters opening around Christmas so it might help it.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

The inability to have stars out there plugging it does not help it at all. I think given the underwhelming performances of the last Fast, Indiana Jones and the last 2 Transformers movies it's less fatigue with comic book movies and fatigue with movies that look bad or have overstayed their welcome. If something looks good or is still interesting like Batman, GOTG, Spiderman, etc people still want to see it. You can't just shit out a script and expect people to gobble it up anymore though.

 

[Gary]

I feel like outside of the usual ones (Spiderman, Batman, maybe Superman and the X-Men) capeshit is going to continue being in a rough period as far as the box office is concerned, which may lead to a lot of these eventually going direct to streaming. I can't imagine people flocking to theaters to watch "Thunderbolts" or whatever. I also think that for some audience members, there's been a feeling of "wait, this is still going on" post "Endgame", which-even with more being announced afterwards-felt like an endpoint. It wasn't, but continuing after that-plus all the TV shows and catching up, plus so many being made and coming up-then yeah, people are going to get exhausted and indifferent.

I'm not even saying "superhero fatigue" here (okay maybe I sort of am). I'm just saying that the golden era for this kind of movie seems to be over, and there's no going back to the massive success of the 2010s.

 

[Brocklock]

The only real hope for The Marvels is great reviews. Guardians 3 was actually tracking much lower than you would expect and presales were low. Then the reviews came out and people showed up because it was good. And that story is done now.

The only upcoming superhero movie that looks like a guaranteed hit is Deadpool 3 and that's certainly moving to 2025. The Batman II is October 2025. That's another two years away. Who knows when Spider Verse 3 will come out?

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

The big MCU era does feel like its over but I don't think its over for good as in never again. The worst case scenario is 10-20 years when all the little kids grow up who loved all the MCU movies and don't know why they were flawed like with the star wars prequels.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Based on pre sales and Box Office Tracking, The Marvels might end up with one of the lowest opening weekends of the MCU in the 50 to 75 million range. There's not much excitement and hype behind it, and the trailer looked lame and like every comic book movie.

I don't care what the tracking says, I will not be "trended" out of seeing The Marvels. I will be there on (the Monday after) opening weekend, same as every virtually other MCU movie released outside of the pandemic, except for Black Panther 1, which I actually saw on opening weekend.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

yes we know you will go see anything they put out. Brock is pointing out a legitimate fact that these movies aren't doing as well though. One Disney is well aware of based on their own comments at stockholder meetings and the changes they're making.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

yes we know you will go see anything they put out...

I still haven't seen Werewolf by Night yet. No immediate plans to watch Season 2 of Loki, either. No current interest in either Deadpool 3 or Blade.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

It felt like creative had no idea what it wanted to do. Chalk it up to Vince panicking over declining interest following the Invasion flub, or Stephanie not quite "getting" how pro wrestlingsports entertainment works insofar as storytelling, or the politicking of HHH and the other old(er) guard...whatever. The point remains that the shows weren't just worse than the hottest period in company history up to that point, they were often actively terrible.

There was no way that the high of Attitude was going to last, but the audience didn't need to get halved like it did.

This comment actually made me think of something I wanted to address in this thread: First of All™, whenever people start talking about CBM fatigue, it hits me on multiple levels. On a more surface level, I'm like, "How come people didn't start talking about CBM fatigue until women and POC started headlining CBMs?" It's like how the first time in my life I had ever heard anyone propose ending lifetime Secret Service protection for former presidents was after Barry was elected. Maybe that's just a coincidence, but it doesn't feel like it's a coincidence.

But the second level that it hits me on, and this is why I quoted the above post: I have consistently maintained that I watch these movies like live-action comic books, rather than movies. I wonder how much of the so-called CBM fatigue can be attributed to people who got to Endgame, and then saw Marvel continue to make movies and went, "Wait, this shit is still going on?" Like... yeah! Because they're not supposed to be consumed like movie series, where there's a Part 1, Part 2, ..., Part X, and then that's it. And I can't help but wonder if people would have judged, like, Phase 4 differently if they looked at Endgame like it was WrestleMania, instead of the end of a franchise? Or, better yet, the Super Bowl: if you have a hot NFL season that culminates in an entertaining Super Bowl, and then the following season fails to build on that energy, and/or is a letdown, do you just quit watching football, or do you hope that the next season is better?