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IT'S ALIVE!(?): ROH in 2022 Thread
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Big Papa Paegan
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They were playing up the redneck vibe of southern Delaware. My BIL is from Delaware. According to him, when I've asked about it, their vibe wasn't that different from what the area around Sandy Fork is actually like.
That said, I do believe that Jay, at the least, did hold a lot of those beliefs...which wasn't uncommon. We're quick to forget that same-sex marriage wasn't legal in all 50 states until 2015, and the most recent countries to legalize, Chile and Switzerland, didn't do so until this year (Chile in March, Switzerland just under a fucking week ago). By all accounts, they've changed their views, which is something that needs to be acknowledged, and it took them less time than the POTUS to do so.
Punishing people for shit they said nearly a decade ago, especially when they've continuously apologized for them, is stupid.
That said, I do believe that Jay, at the least, did hold a lot of those beliefs...which wasn't uncommon. We're quick to forget that same-sex marriage wasn't legal in all 50 states until 2015, and the most recent countries to legalize, Chile and Switzerland, didn't do so until this year (Chile in March, Switzerland just under a fucking week ago). By all accounts, they've changed their views, which is something that needs to be acknowledged, and it took them less time than the POTUS to do so.
Punishing people for shit they said nearly a decade ago, especially when they've continuously apologized for them, is stupid.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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RedJed
Rasslin' Rambler
So the ROH ppv is starting to take shape......per Observer they are about 60 percent sold for tickets in the venue, around 2,300 so far for a 4,000 capacity. Anyway you slice it, that's so much better than pretty much any show did in the post-AEW talent ROH under Sinclair. I can't recall what kind of numbers they had for SuperCard of Honor in Dallas, but from being there live, it was maybe 2/3 full and it was a decent sized place, so this is probably around similar numbers for this show.
I hadn't been spoiled on Rampage yet, but in reading the issue....and this starts to take shape tonight on the show, but the main is set and will be
That match should fuckin kill it as a main on this one, and then add another Briscoes/FTR to the mix here and this is likely going to be one hell of a show.
Not sure what the rest of the undercard will be, but really, with 5 title matches.....is there really a need for a ton much more than that?
I hadn't been spoiled on Rampage yet, but in reading the issue....and this starts to take shape tonight on the show, but the main is set and will be
Gresham vs Claudio for the ROH title. Apparently Khan had originally planned on debuting him in this spot against Gresham on the ROH ppv as a hook for people to get the show. But then the Danielson injury happened, and plans changed.
That match should fuckin kill it as a main on this one, and then add another Briscoes/FTR to the mix here and this is likely going to be one hell of a show.
Not sure what the rest of the undercard will be, but really, with 5 title matches.....is there really a need for a ton much more than that?
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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I wonder if AEW is going to convert one of their C/D shows to ROH television. That'd certainly be the easiest way to get them some television (well, internet television!) time.
RedJed
Rasslin' Rambler
I kinda feel that at this point, they really should do that. Dark Elevation seems kind of unnecessary as an AEW show given they have Dark already....maybe shifting Elevation to ROH Elevation on Mondays wouldn't be the worst idea in the world. Get it established after the ppv on a weekly basis, and use that as a conduit to try to sell that show to a cable property. One would think it has to be kinda tough to sell to a cable channel, even one in the Warnerverse, when you have not produced any content for that brand except a ppv.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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Potentially very very interested in the revamped Honor Club.
Fall of Epic
Epic Reine
I really hope they announce more undercard matches for the show to flesh out their roster. Just having only title matches seems pointless.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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No ROH World Six Man Tag Team Titles match so far but I kind of wouldn't be surprised if they just quietly retired those.
HSJ
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Which is a shame because I really liked the Righteous and AEW needs a trios title anyway.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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So you're the one.
(Although I'm fine with two thirds of the Righteous. It's just the other guy is extremely annoying.)
I'm assuming AEW will eventually just start their own six man titles rather than pilfer ROH's wasted division. Although they managed to revive the once even more hopeless and less important ROH Women's Division so who knows.
Absolute disagreement. This doesn’t need be bloated. Add one more attraction match and that’s enough.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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Death Before Dishonor is going to stream on B/R Live.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
The crazy thing is that Vinny was a solid as hell guy before he started doing the wackadoo schtick. Not great, but a solid hand with a decent presence.
But it did make me laugh when a guy who was part of the XWA/ROH feud (which only happened at XWA shows, but had Bobby Cruise as a damn fine heel manager) on Team XWA joined ROH as part of the Kingdom...who were basically Team ROH in the program.
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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It's his wife, so I understand the defense of it, and I suppose in many different ways we overlook some things if it means our favs are successful, but man the size difference between Gresham and Claudio was so noticable and the way the match was worked last night, it didn't seem like he (Gresham) was much of a credible threat against Claudio.
Maybe because he's a fucking dickhead?
- he felt disrespected due to lack of communication from the company leading up to this weekend
- lack of time for the match also lead to feeling disrespected
- asked for release before the match
- met with Tony before the show and voiced his frustration and it escalated to him cussing Tony out
- Gresham is done with wrestling for the foreseeable future after this month
- came out without his usual attire to show people the real him for what could be his last match
- no statement from ROH/Tony
Some of this is just weird
Cackling Co Pilot Kamala
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I really like Gresham as a wrestler but he's lucky AEW gave him any sort of screen time. I don't think anyone would've have faulted Tony Khan if they just decided to start new with all of the titles cause no one gave a hoot about 2019-21 ROH.
I'm going to sound like Kevin Nash here but it's hard to take someone of Gresham's stature seriously in a major nationally televised promotion. He literally looks like a kid when he's in there with a dude like Claudio.
I'm going to sound like Kevin Nash here but it's hard to take someone of Gresham's stature seriously in a major nationally televised promotion. He literally looks like a kid when he's in there with a dude like Claudio.
Yea and in this case the wrestler sees themselves as belonging in the main event and when that's taken away from him, he has an ego issue and doesn't like it. People might read more into it and say this is bad handling of talent but I see this as a simple A vs. B problem. Promoter thinks someone is being pushed too much and the wrestler doesn't accept that point of view. The point where you start cursing at someone because they're depushing you isn't a good look though.
Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
Gresham is a hell of a good hand. I haven't seen a bad performance from him really ever.
But he's delusional as shit if he thinks he's in the same league as pretty much any ROH World champion before Adam Cole (sans Xavier), let alone enough to cuss out the guy signing the checks.
He has a valid argument in his primary issue is the match being too short and its place on the card, of course, but that's about it.
But he's delusional as shit if he thinks he's in the same league as pretty much any ROH World champion before Adam Cole (sans Xavier), let alone enough to cuss out the guy signing the checks.
He has a valid argument in his primary issue is the match being too short and its place on the card, of course, but that's about it.
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I like Gresham. But he’s not the person to lead your company. Territories like Florida would bring in Tony Charles or Les Thornton and they would work a different style in a mid card match and get over, but they couldn’t ever be the headliner.
Actually I think a great role for Gresham would be an opening or second match guy on a typical show who works a technical style and sets the ground rules that others break later on the card.
Actually I think a great role for Gresham would be an opening or second match guy on a typical show who works a technical style and sets the ground rules that others break later on the card.
Big Papa Paegan
L. A. Z.
Yeah. The company really went to shit after the Elite pulled out, but was already on a steady downward trend ever since Steen left.
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Yeah. I am having a hard time thinking of any good ROH World title runs since I started watching in the mid 2010s.
RedJed
Rasslin' Rambler
I understand Gresham's issues, but only to a certain point. I was baffled how they went heel with him out of nowhere, for no discerable reason really. It certainly didn't get him heat in the Cesaro match, that's for sure. I get he would rather be just showcased as how he really was (other than the pointless heel turn), as a really excellent technical wrestler, one of the best in the business. But isn't that is how TK even booked him, leading to the ppv? That said, out of the unnecessary turn, he really has no right to gripe, complain, throw an ego trip fit (enough workers in the backstage seem to confirm he was on his high horse bigtime), and outright cuss out the promoter/booker. Totally unprofessional and he may have ruined an opportunity to go to places like MLW and Impact now because of it.
I guess additionally, to an extent I could say he may have a valid issue on match length, in that the match time was less than even the ROH women's title was (I would have flipped the time of those matches) but how are you going to bitch and moan that you're put on first as a way to light up that crowd early (good idea) when the main event tag match kinda EARNED that spot given how they performed at the previous ppv. I get somewhat issue with the world title match not going on last, but it wasn't like the tag title match was just a throwaway deal. This was the exception to the oldschool rule, in a sense.
Chances are the match time may have originally been longer, but then as Gresham was on his high horse throughout the day, the desicion may have been made to cut it down a bit and get to the point of the match a bit more. I didn't think the match sucked fully, but one part I did notice was that Gresham came out acting like he was done, and worked the match to a degree like that too.
I guess additionally, to an extent I could say he may have a valid issue on match length, in that the match time was less than even the ROH women's title was (I would have flipped the time of those matches) but how are you going to bitch and moan that you're put on first as a way to light up that crowd early (good idea) when the main event tag match kinda EARNED that spot given how they performed at the previous ppv. I get somewhat issue with the world title match not going on last, but it wasn't like the tag title match was just a throwaway deal. This was the exception to the oldschool rule, in a sense.
Chances are the match time may have originally been longer, but then as Gresham was on his high horse throughout the day, the desicion may have been made to cut it down a bit and get to the point of the match a bit more. I didn't think the match sucked fully, but one part I did notice was that Gresham came out acting like he was done, and worked the match to a degree like that too.