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Honestly, if he ended up bringing the belt, that might have been more devastating than Great American Bash 1991. Maybe worse? As bad as that was, at least WWF wasn’t riding high in Summer of 1991. Losing your World Champion to the company that is beating the brakes off of you seems another level of pain.
 

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Factor in his being pretty buried anyway and it's rough. But we could've had the WWF, WCW, and ECW champions have a triple threat.
 

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Having Benoit show up with the belt on TV would have destroyed WWF’s position in the copyright infringement lawsuit they had against WCW, and that lawsuit is what led to WWF having right of first refusal to purchase WCW, and their doing due diligence in late 2000 and buttering up Brad Siegel allowed them to swoop in and make the quick buy in March when the Fusient deal fell through, so…if anything it may have saved WCW. Maybe Bischoff could have found another buyer if Vince wasn’t ready.
 

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Honestly, if he ended up bringing the belt, that might have been more devastating than Great American Bash 1991. Maybe worse? As bad as that was, at least WWF wasn’t riding high in Summer of 1991. Losing your World Champion to the company that is beating the brakes off of you seems another level of pain.
Even in 91 while they were in decline, the WWF was still beating the pants off WCW. Turner put on their strongest possible show in May (in theory) and drew 6000 fans and 155K buys.
WWF snagged over 400K for Rumble and Mania. The death era IYH shows were getting 300K+ according to online.
 

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I like the idea that Benoit bringing the belt is actually a great thing for business if that means WCW gets bought by someone else.
 

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Embroiling WWF in legal quagmire worked as a strategy for WCW from ‘96 to ‘98. If WWF was dumb enough to give them something to work with in ‘99-‘00, it would have been something but WCW couldn’t stop tripping over their own foot and as future WWE great Eva Marie would say (quoting GoT probably) “Wolves don’t lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.”

I am curious at how competitive WCW was from the time Bischoff took over till when they signed Hogan and even up through when Nitro started. Obviously they bottomed out completely during the Watts era and ‘93 was real real bad but they had to have some sort of forward momentum to suggest that signing Hogan was a good idea. I mean the British Bulldog, Mean Gene, and Bobby Heenan signings were all precursors (heck, you might be able to make the case that Kip Frey signing Jesse Ventura and Jake the Snake were precursors too).

Or was it a case of it “Screw it, we can’t wait anymore. We have to sign Hogan or we’ll go out of business?” The deal that they gave Hogan at a career low point certainly stunk of desperation.
 

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Embroiling WWF in legal quagmire worked as a strategy for WCW from ‘96 to ‘98. If WWF was dumb enough to give them something to work with in ‘99-‘00, it would have been something but WCW couldn’t stop tripping over their own foot and as future WWE great Eva Marie would say (quoting GoT probably) “Wolves don’t lose sleep over the opinions of sheep.”

I am curious at how competitive WCW was from the time Bischoff took over till when they signed Hogan and even up through when Nitro started. Obviously they bottomed out completely during the Watts era and ‘93 was real real bad but they had to have some sort of forward momentum to suggest that signing Hogan was a good idea. I mean the British Bulldog, Mean Gene, and Bobby Heenan signings were all precursors (heck, you might be able to make the case that Kip Frey signing Jesse Ventura and Jake the Snake were precursors too).

Or was it a case of it “Screw it, we can’t wait anymore. We have to sign Hogan or we’ll go out of business?” The deal that they gave Hogan at a career low point certainly stunk of desperation.
 

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Are there any of the old WCW rings still in use?
 

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I honestly don't know. Like I figure you can replace the wood or ropes forever but the rest, no idea.
 

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I wonder if wrestling rings have a shelf life. I’d assume that you couldn’t use one for 20-25 years but maybe I am wrong.
I'm pretty sure Beau James knows of where some rings from the territories in the south were sold off and used for decades. He posted as much recently on the Stick to Wrestling board regarding one in question.
 

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Dusty's commentary is a total highlight of WCW for me. I think about that time he kept telling Tony he understood Morse Code and was trying to translate Cobra's theme way too often. It isn't even that funny.
 

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It genuinely works if you have it as part of a cabaret setting. Lucha Vavoom cracked the code.
 

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Nitro Grill looks half empty even in its artists rendering.

I still think a pro wrestling restaurant/bar could be a hit but maybe not. Actual sports bars are slowly dying.
I've never seen any evidence that wrestling can draw widely beyond neckbeards and kids.
Kids will be outvoted on food choices past fast food, and they don't give a crap about the museum aspect potential.
Neckbeards eat Cheetos and drown themselves in Mountain Dew and energy drinks as they stay attached to their laptops and video game controllers.
A gimmick restaurant isn't going to bring in casuals.

I can say my market research is being part of the nerd community and seeing who I see at the cons.
 

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I think it might work in NYC, Chicago or LA and wrestling theme can’t be overbearing.

Hell, we have a small chain called Luchador Taco in Western Maine and New Hampshire but reviews of food are wildly mixed to negative. Just like consensus opinion on pro wrestling, I guess!
 

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We have a Retro bar in a small town 10 miles outside of GB. I am curious how well they do since they have a tasty but limited menu (only 8 paninis) and drinks are reasonable. But I can see a lot of hillbillies not wanting to go to this zany bar with 20 percent of it being covered in action figures.
 

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Wrestling as a focal point of a bar or something would only work if a wrestler tied to the area owns it personally. That is not a guarantee, of course, but it's a way better shot. I don't even think those places make it ten years.

If you treat wrestling like the gimmick it is and make it part of an experience, it succeeds. That's absolutely about the market and what kind of thing you put together, though. A Lucha VaVoom show won't work in Des Moines. Probably.
 

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There are quite a few lucha themed Mexican restaurants not just here in NY but across the US. Nothing hyper specific to any company or competitor but fin nonetheless.

I went to a random bar in Tokyo when I went to Japan in 2016 and they randomly had fake dollar bills with Okada on the walls.
 

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I just don't wanna give a MAGA shithead money intentionally.
 
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