Microsoft Prattle v2

[Sabre]

Imagine if you use the Xbox to watch a "downloaded" tv episode or the like and get reported. Shit will hit the fans.

 

[Smues]

I knew about the Kinect spying bullshit patent, but since they haven't mentioned it yet I figured I'd wait until it's confirmed to rail about it, since we've already got so many other reasons to hate the one. But trust me if 'Netflix shuts off with more than 4 people in the room' actually happens I'll have plenty of four letter caps locked words to throw around.

 

[HSJ]

I love my 360, but with all of the issues going on with the One, I'm just going to sit back and see what the PS4 will be like.

 

[Youth N Asia]

PS4 is a killer presentation away from owning gaming outright.

 

[Kageho]

Yeah, okay, what I had before I rewrote this was just mind numbingly dumb. Even for me.

The more I hear about this system, the less I actually want to deal with it. And the more it makes me think of stupid things to say.

So maybe the Xbox One is trying to lower your IQ to 1, so that when it comes out, you'll be brainwashed into buying it.

 

[vivisectvi]

http://www.joystiq.com/2013/05/24/report-publishers-to-receive-cut-of-xbox-one-pre-owned-sales/

Here's the delicate part: the publisher and Microsoft will now receive a cut from the sale. Previously, a company like GameStop pocketed 100 percent of the used game sale, now ConsoleDeals.co.uk is reporting it could be significantly less if Microsoft has oversight of the market. The pre-owned market would go on, but its glorious margins for retailers would be destroyed. Meanwhile, publishers would finally get what they've always dreamed of: a piece of that pie.

This is setting an interesting precedent..

 

[devo]

Which means that Gamestop et al are going to offer even less in compensation to try and maintain their profit margins. If that becomes widely known, the knowledge that XBONE versions of multi-console games possess less resell value than PS4 versions might be something people take into consideration when choosing a console or merely which version of a game they buy.

 

[vivisectvi]

I'm also thinking.. if Microsoft can get away with implementing this.. what is to stop any company from enacting some kind of license agreement wherein if you sell their product second-hand, that x-amount needs to come back to the company. Not just thinking about entertainment stuff, too, but cars, etc. It's far fetched, I know.. but I would've never thought that this would happen 10 years ago.

 

[The Amazing Rando]

I hope you all aren't super-fond of console gaming, because this is probably its last hurrah.

I'm not saying there won't be "video games" in the home, but it's not going to look like this anymore and it's probably not going to be Sony and Microsoft leading the charge, though I'd put Sony at having a slightly better chance at survival in the market. For all the shit Nintendo was getting for the Wii-U being only slightly above the PS3 in hardware, at least they are still focused solely on playing games and not just giving you some weird mash-up of content-providing systems implemented in ways nobody gives a shit about.

 

[vivisectvi]

Tech-specs wise, I am very glad that consoles are looking to move more toward a "mini pc" style for power and better dev environments.. but I could definitely do without the all-in-one entertainment stuff being a major focus.. Gaming should always be the selling point and the center point of these devices, IMO.

 

[KingPK]

MS has six months to get their collective shit together and A) fix this PR nightmare they've created and B) not shoot themselves in the foot a few more times. I just replaced my 360 a few months ago so I won't be in the market for a new console until probably the first price drop, so by then I should have a clear idea which is for me.

 

[AnonymousBroccoli]

Which means that Gamestop et al are going to offer even less in compensation to try and maintain their profit margins. If that becomes widely known, the knowledge that XBONE versions of multi-console games possess less resell value than PS4 versions might be something people take into consideration when choosing a console or merely which version of a game they buy.

In addition to not agreeing with its ideology, one of the reasons I don't buy games with online passes is that that package is inherently worth less, if $10 worth of it can only be used once. As someone who generally does not buy games to keep them, that's a bad investment.

 

[KingPK]

Citing "sources familiar with the system," Polygon reports that the Xbox One will not require a fee to play used games. Instead, the console will perform regular online checks to verify disc authenticity and ownership.


Polygon's sources note that used game sales will continue, as Xbox One game ownership is determined by an on-disc encryption code. Once a game has been sold, traded, or otherwise activated by another console, access to the previous owner's installed content is revoked and transferred to its new owner

That makes more sense. Why they couldn't just fucking SAY that I don't know.

 

[Sabre]

Aaah so if you decide to trade in say COD rehash 2014, you will probably have to unlink said game from your console and then the new user will "relink" via the same code when he buys it.

But what happens if person A doesnt unlink their activation code? Does the disk need to be used to play games from the Hard Drive?

 

[Smues]

I assume since they've mentioned get a piece of the pie the sale has to go through their system somehow.

 

[vivisectvi]

Interesting. This still doesn't clarify the "new user pays full game price to install" shit that Harrison was talking about above.

 

[Sabre]

Probably the case if they dont have the activation code.

Basically this is not to stop the 2nd hand games market. Its to stop piracy, as the 360 was one of the easiest to pirate.

 

[vivisectvi]

 

[Captain of Outer Space]

 

[muzzington]

XBox One will also be Region Locked.

 

[Haws Bah Gawd]

 

[DrVenkman PhD]

Interesting. This still doesn't clarify the "new user pays full game price to install" shit that Harrison was talking about above.

A Microsoft rep had the following comments:

You say I'll just lend a copy, for me and a friend'
Then he'll lend one and she'll lend one and where will it end?
One leads to another then ten, then more,
And no one buys anything from the store
So no one gets paid and they can't make more
The posse breaks up and they close the door
Don't share! Don't share that software!

 

[Sabre]

This is pure dejavu over the original cd argument.

 

[Smues]

You got Venkman'd!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up863eQKGUI

 

[Damaramu]

This is pure dejavu over the original cd argument.

People didn't like the switch from cartridges to CDs?

 

[Sabre]

Should clarify, Microsoft stating that its time to stop people sharing games is the same arguement the MPAA tried to enforce with music CDs, as tecnically you are breaking copyright. Hell they even tried to enforce ripping CDs to MP3 as you are breaking some crazy law no one will inforce.

 

[vivisectvi]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2Q2xENXq4w

 

[Thoth]

According to NeoGAF< MS is having problems manufacturing the XBOne, and is likely going to have to lower the clock speed of the chips as a result. Sony's February reveal apparently caught them with their pants down, and now they are in trouble.

 

[bps21]

How can a press conference catch someone off guard? They didn't know they were releasing their own console this fall because Sony had a press conference?

 

[oldskool]

XBOne went with 8GB of DDR3-level RAM under the notion that DDR5 wouldn't increase in size or drop in price enough to be a realistic option (it did). DDR5 is significantly faster than DDR3, and on top of it so far Sony's OS seems to involve 2GB less usage than XBOne's, so that's yet another additional bonus.