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I loved the Moxley match and I loved the BOSJ Finals up until the last 5 or 6 minutes but I thought it was total overkill by the end and I also thought it was Shingo who really carried the match and held it together. I'm not at all into Ospreay's moveset of ultra flippy stuff and the goofy Rtruth spinkicks. There's a point where all the kickouts stop feeling epic to me and start feeling ridiculous.

NJPW spent what? A year almost on having Shingo going undefeated? Having him lose in the finals to a guy they had bumped to heavy and then bumped back down doesn't make any sense to me. Shingo was right on the cusp of breaking out as a BIG star who was ultra fresh.

Tana/Jay was really good. I'd honestly rather watch matches like Tana/Jay or Moxley/Juice where there's more of a story to it than guys kicking out of finishers for 10 minutes at this point.
 

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I'm like 3 years behind on NJPW, but Moxley has me interested so much that I had to watch his match. And, it was awesome. He definitely busted out a ton of new moves (THAT WEIRD RELEASE VERTICAL SUPLEX WAS SICK) and his strikes looked a shit ton more vicious and stiff then in WWE. He actually wrestled like a lunatic fringe. He was terrific and also NO REBOUND LARIAT. Juice was great as well and his knee selling was fantastic. Just a great babyface performance from him. I'd go like **** 1/4 on it.
 

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That was his best non-gimmick singles match. It's going to rule when someone pulls that earring out of his head.

I was glad Tana put Jay over in his return match as well, but the crowd's reaction to that was quite sad. My man Switchbladeoh really came into his own over the last year.

The BOSJ final was great but the wrong guy won.
 

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Firmino of the 909 said:
That was his best non-gimmick singles match. It's going to rule when someone pulls that earring out of his head.

I was glad Tana put Jay over in his return match as well, but the crowd's reaction to that was quite sad. My man Switchbladeoh really came into his own over the last year.

The BOSJ final was great but the wrong guy won.

I couldn't agree more. It's like when he joined BC a light switch went off and he just got it. He's the perfect leader to get BC back to what they were instead of the fun loving group The Elite made them into.
 

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I also forgot to put down that Tana needed to be transitioned out of his role and replaced by someone else as he is now injured far too often. While it's sad and while he's not super old in wrestling terms, I definitely think it's necessary.
 

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I really hope we see Brody King in the G1. I've been a fan of him since I first saw him on Championship Wrestling from Hollywood about 2-3 years ago and thought he's be great in NJPW. He had a great tour with Marty and the fans took to him pretty easily. He'd be great in the G1.

As an aside, I said from the start, PCO really shouldn't be part of Villain Enterprises (I thought it should have been Brody and Haskins with Marty). Seeing Brody second Marty during this tour has cemented how great they are together.
 

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cobainwasmurdered said:
I loved the BOSJ Finals up until the last 5 or 6 minutes but I thought it was total overkill by the end and I also thought it was Shingo who really carried the match and held it together. I'm not at all into Ospreay's moveset of ultra flippy stuff and the goofy R-truth spinkicks. There's a point where all the kickouts stop feeling epic to me and start feeling ridiculous.

NJPW spent what? A year almost on having Shingo going undefeated? Having him lose in the finals to a guy they had bumped to heavy and then bumped back down doesn't make any sense to me. Shingo was right on the cusp of breaking out as a BIG star who was ultra fresh.

Firmino of the 909 said:
The BOSJ final was great but the wrong guy won.

Just watched the event and too lazy to type up review of the final so these two posts summarized my feelings well enough

Unfortunately I think Hiromu returning was the big wrench in continuing Shingo's run, since it's pretty obvious that the first thing Hiromu's gonna do when he comes back is challenge for the belt he never properly lost. Had Shingo won BOSJ I presume he would have also won the junior title at Dominion leading to a possible intra-stable feud which NJ is loathe to do, plus I imagine NJ is really banking on the Dragon Lee/Hiromu return match

I liked two hwt singles matches way better. Moxley looks great (though weird seeing him in tights after years of wrestling fully clothed) and I liked the character work of Juice coming out taking the match all seriously and not doing his standard dancing and posing routine. Also, I'll take Jay White sneakily beating Tana with an inside cradle over the five minute finisher overkill from the main event.
 

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Having to restrain myself from all caps here but at Dominion Mox is facing Umino and Shingo is facing Kojima.
 

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Kobe World just got a bit more interesting

https://twitter.com/DragonGateEN/status/1136638593609285633
 

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IWGP Heavyweight Champion Kazuchika Okada defending against Chris Jericho
IWGP Intercontinental Champion Kota Ibushi defending against Tetsuya Naito
IWGP Junior Heavyweight Champion Dragon Lee defending against Will Ospreay
IWGP Tag Team Champions Guerillas of Destiny defending against EVIL & SANADA
NEVER Openweight Champion Taichi defending against Tomohiro Ishii
Hiroshi Tanahashi, Juice Robinson & Ryusuke Taguchi vs. Jay White, Chase Owens & Taiji Ishimori
Jushin Thunder Liger & YOSHI-HASHI vs. Minoru Suzuki & Zack Sabre Jr.
Satoshi Kojima vs. Shingo Takagi
Jon Moxley vs. Shota Umino

this is a fantastic card
 

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That's a pretty great card.

I love Moxley vs Umino. Shota has shown a ton of fire and this could be a fantastic brawl.

Shingo taking on one of the old guard to show that he deserves to play with the heavies.

GOD vs LIJ is always a solid match, but also shows how thin the heavyweight tag division is.

Ishii is a beast, and his last match with Taichi was really good.

Dragon Lee vs Ospreay should be a ton of fun.
 

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Watched 2/3rds of the AXS TV broadcast of BOSJ. I friggin loved the Moxley/Juice Robinson match. As great as he will be in AEW, it made me slightly bummed that Moxley just can't be full time in NJPW because it seems like he'd absolutely thrive in Japan.

Juice looked awesome in defeat. Like a real resilient son of a gun that was able to stand toe to toe with a psychotic bastard like Moxley (even though he was low key scared shitless). I wasn't sure if Juice was main event level dude before this match but no question in my mind after that performance.

Already looking forward to the rematch.
 

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Yang Kamala said:
Watched 2/3rds of the AXS TV broadcast of BOSJ. I friggin loved the Moxley/Juice Robinson match. As great as he will be in AEW, it made me slightly bummed that Moxley just can't be full time in NJPW because it seems like he'd absolutely thrive in Japan.

Juice looked awesome in defeat. Like a real resilient son of a gun that was able to stand toe to toe with a psychotic bastard like Moxley (even though he was low key scared shitless). I wasn't sure if Juice was main event level dude before this match but no question in my mind after that performance.

Already looking forward to the rematch.

I mentioned that exact idea on Facebook last night while re-watching the match. He would be loved so much there, and they already know how to book him.
 

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Shingo is too by the way.

Tana, on the other hand, just botched the finish of his match because of his arm and should really not do G1.
 

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As I said to 909 in chat (909 for most and vale for all watched in chat because we hardcore) I don't think 909 botched the finish exactly, it came across to me as he was trying a new finisher and it looked like shit or he still hasn't worked it out exactly. I could be wrong though.

Really strong show over-all. People who think Taichi can't work need to watch that Ishii match (among other matches really). Moxley/Umino was a fun simple match and Moxley picking him up and walking him back was a great touch of "we went to war but you get some respect kid" and it's the PERFECT way to get the crowd to love you in Japan. Moxley is so smart. Shingo/Kojima was a really strong match and the perfect choice for shingos frist heavy match.

Kenta showing up was cool as was using shibata there. I'm not confident he can survive an entire g1 but im interested in watching. Moxley, Shingo and Kenta being in the g1 already freshen it up by a huge degree on their own. Hopefully Umino will also be in to add another and maybe Kojima will get his final run.

Lee/Ospreay felt like a let down after BOSJ and I don't know why they went back to Ospreay unless Hiromu isn't coming back for awhile. Ibushi/Naito was fantastic but jesus FUCKING christ, ibushi came the closest to dying I have seen a wrestler come in a very long time I think. i was legit terrified for him. That shit is NOT ok.

Jericho/Okada was not so good but the angle was great and the fans enjoyed the match. Finish was out of nowhere and was some 70s stuff but it made sense to protect jericho and it transitioned him to Tanahashi perfectly. The way they've turned Okada/Tana slowly into friends is also great. I'm hoping the stuff where CHAOS didn't come out to help Okada at all is some long term booking and we'll eventually see them toss Okada out for buddying up to Tana who is everything they've always despised.
 

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I dunno what it is with the newfound western NJ fan wankery over Ospreay, but it's way over my head it seems. I'll admit he's better now than when he first showed up but something about him still rubs me the wrong way and I just can't get into him. Him winning the belt also makes me wonder what's gonna happen as far as Dragon and Hiromu since my theory from my earlier post just went out the window.

The Naito/Ibushi headdrop fests aren't compelling me anymore and I can stand not to see these two wrestle again anytime in the near future

Okada and Jericho funny enough I enjoyed if only because they tried something different there, though the execution was a bit off

When the most memorable aspect of the second largest show of the year is all the wrestlers grabbing mics and saying I WANNA BE IN THE G1 (admittedly one of them being motherfuckin KENTA, even though like CWM said I wonder if he can last thru the whole thing), something just doesn't seem quite right

btw Marufuji's (translated) response on Twitter to KENTA showing up:

I see. You picked today of all days* to choose them over us. Let me just say this. Do your best... and don’t you dare get lost in the shuffle.

*"today of all days" being one of NOAH's Misawa 10th Anniversary Memorial Shows
 

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Slayer said:
I dunno what it is with the newfound western NJ fan wankery over Ospreay, but it's way over my head it seems. I'll admit he's better now than when he first showed up but something about him still rubs me the wrong way and I just can't get into him. Him winning the belt also makes me wonder what's gonna happen as far as Dragon and Hiromu since my theory from my earlier post just went out the window.

He's a great athlete but everyone these days is confusing great athleticism for great wrestling. He is creative as well but that's only one piece of the puzzle. He completely lacks the aggression for me to consider him to be a great wrestler.
 

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If you want a guy to run through an athletic routine almost flawlessly really fast than Ospreay is a great choice. Otherwise I don't see a lot of appeal. Dragon Lee and Shingo are head and shoulders above him just to start as far as juniors, although Shingo is a heavy now I guess.

Marufuji firing shots at Kenta over the Misawa thing is interesting but NOAH is such a mess I don't think he really owes them anything. I get it though.

I thought Dominion was a solid show. I get not being into Naito/Ibushi because after that german on the apron I was really turned off for awhile before getting back into it by the end. That said I did really enjoy the match. Naito's heeling was fantastic. I don't want to see them work each other again for a long time though.

Shingo/Kojima, Ishii/Taichi, the Liger/MiSu stuff, Moxley/Umino all made the undercard a lot more interesting than it usually is. the undercard is normally just there but last night it felt like njpw was a whole company rather than just a hot upper card.
 

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Finally watching the show now. I'm through the first 3 matches, and all 3 were great little matches. Shota getting in a bit of offense before Mox took over was great. That's exactly how he should handle a Lion. Helping Shota to the back was an interesting bit of storytelling.

Kojima vs Shingo was a great match and the perfect match-up for Shingo. They have a similar build and style, and worked well together.

ZSJ and MiSu are one of my favorite teams, and I love YOSHI-HASHI getting the huge upset as ZSJ was looking past him.

Watching Dragon Lee over the past few weeks in the BOSJ made me a huge fan of his. I've seen him here and there, but for was able to watch him work consistently for a few weeks really made me appreciate him. He's just so damn good in the ring. Shingo is phenomenal. His selling is great. And his back elbow, straight right, lariat is my favorite combo in wrestling.
 

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Yeah I'm a big dragon lee fan. I agree ZSJ/MiSU are a great team. They should team regularly in the division to freshen it up
 

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First show I got the chance to see, so any thoughts are those of someone who barely knows what they're talking about:

--Mox/Lil Red Shoes was fun and made both guys look good. Mox did a great job, during and after, to make Shota look like he's on his way up, which is the important thing. I liked him helping Shota to the back without that fear of WWE bullshit.

--Shingo/Kojima was just right. Kojima is always one of my favorites, and they meshed well enough to make up for a few moments where Kojima was showing his age a little bit. I don't know anything really about Shingo (or pretty much everyone on this show), but that guy's a big deal. Kojima made him feel like a bigger one.

--During the tag match, I fully admit to just wanting me some Liger/MiSu. That and I was getting crazy tired through the middle of the show. I need to watch this again because I feel like I'm doing it a total disservice not remembering as much as I want to. I do know that I just have never had enough MiSu in my life.

--The six-man was fun, but Tana is looking rough. But the longer it went the more into it I got. I don't think I'm too big of a Juice fan, though. Don't know what it is. This is another one I want to rewatch. White impressed me way more than I thought he would, though.

--Ishii is fucking awesome and should just win everything. I think Ishii/Taichi was my personal match of the night; I went in knowing precious little of either guy and went out really liking both, but fucking Ishii, dude. I threw various star ratings all over the place in chat, but I don't remember any of them.

--GoD do not do it for me in the slightest, and I was a little disappointed. Something just felt off about this match, but I don't know if I'm able to tell you what just because I do not trust my puro brain enough. Just never clicked.

--Dragon Lee feels like a big deal. I really enjoyed watching him. But Ospreay did so little for me I'm confused. I think he'll be fine in a few years, but he was just an overly choreographed spot guy who was either going hilariously fast or painfully slow. He's got a good look, and like I said will be fine in a few years, but beyond that I fail to see the hype when people have been doing the same stuff better for some time. Lee was really good, though. Safe-but-scary dives, murder moves, aura. I like him.

--Ibushi/Naito was great fun until Ibushi fucking killed himself. They never quite got me back after that. I really like Ibushi, but he's fucking stupid. This was my first Naito experience, and purely for heel work and character he won me over, let alone how good he is. It was easy to get a lot of the character, and just root for that scumbag. But like I said, once Ibushi cracked himself it didn't seem as fun anymore. That was gross.

--Jericho has no business at this point in his career going longer than 15 minutes. He's a smarter worker than he was, and I think he knows his limitations to an extent, but he just can't do that long anymore. He visibly hit a wall and started to rapidly blow up at a certain point; I honest to god think he couldn't physically hold the Liontamer. Okada is the shit and what a champion should look like, however it felt like an awkward uphill climb at times. The angle after was fucking great, though. I don't know about the factions or alliances or whatever that well, but everything hit a perfect note. I can say whatever I want about Dad Bod Jericho as a worker, but he's one of wrestling's all time best shit talkers.

I really liked the show. The product itself was extremely fun and easy to watch (I got my second wind just before Ibushi/Naito), there was no wasted time, everything felt important. So much more was done with so much less than I've become used to with WWE crap, especially on a production level. And nothing makes a world title match mean more than the history of the IWGP championship montage before the match. That made it even bigger.
 

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Ishii has grown to be one of my favorite wrestlers. Everything he does is just so badass. I was never big into Taichi, but his chemistry with Ishii is just insane. Ever since their match in the NJ Cup, Taichi has taken a step forward and seemed more comfortable as a heavyweight. I've often said that if someone can't have a great match with Ishii, that's on them not him. Ishii's matches with the likes of Goto and Shibata are some of my favorite and I could watch them all day. Ishii is one of the main guys I want to see against Moxley. I know everyone is begging for Suzuki, which I'd love to see, but Ishii would be absolutely amazing.
 

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL1-mg00s1c

I'm unsure if they're sending Umino on excursion basically ever, but this is better.
 
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Meltzer and Alvarez really came down on the Ibushi/Naito match today. Said Ibushi is a dumbass for taking that apron bump and that he could have a broken neck.
 

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Seeing highlights from the match just made me uncomfortable. Ibushi really drilled Natio on the back of his head/neck too.
 
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