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Someone here in Canada claimed that Jobs death is as big as John Lennon and Princess Diana.
 

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The Real TRTSMer said:
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Steve Jobs also was the guy who pretty much invented the first personal computer

Nope: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_personal_computers#The_beginnings_of_the_personal_computer_industry
I said pretty much, not in concrete terms. The Macintosh was the first computer made and sold for personal home use with a GUI, and the first to be widely adopted. Whereas Blackberrys and various other tablet devices ruled smartphones and tablets long before the iPhone and iPad came into play, the first Mac in 1984 was what really made the computer something people could and would have at home. That said..

He was one of the first to take an existing model and tweak it for public consumption, which is what people don't understand about the guy; he's not a technological visionary, he's a great marketer, businessman and exploiter of trends. He didn't 'invent' anything, everything was there before him, he just knew how to take a good idea and make it mass-consumable.

The sanctification of Jobs as a tech genius is quite frustrating. I'm glad people here aren't as fucking stupid as most of my facebook newsfeed. It's doubly annoying because as stated earlier, most of the people were talking about Occupy Wall Street and now they're venerating a billionaire corporate egomaniac who was responsible for Chinese factories with working conditions so terrible that many of the people there killed themselves. UGH
I completely agree with all of this. What's really terrifying is how so many people have flipped out over the news, like as if they were Catholic and the Pope died or something.

On an unrelated note, Jobs has a really fascinating backstory. Adopted and is actually half Syrian, highly into psychedelic drugs in the 70s and had said that people who didn't drop acid with him could never fully understand him. Also went to a liberal arts college here in Portland for a couple semesters, auditing a calligraphy course that apparently was the basis for him including multiple typefaces into the first Mac. He got fired from the company he started and brought it back to prominence and practically created a cult upon his rehiring. It was either Gates or another one of his competitors that said today or last night, very deliberately, that he was the "greatest CEO of our generation."
 

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Thomas Edison is actually a hilarious comparison for reasons the people making it don't appear to be aware of.

Read up on Edison and Joseph Swan, or the "War of the Currents" with Nikola Tesla.

Edison was essentially a ruthless CEO type who "stole" the lightbulb and used wealth and power from consolidating US patents to engage in propaganda, muckraking and a cult of personality around himself as America's foremost inventor. He was an outrageous capitalist.

His campaign to discredit Tesla's AC had his people rounding up and electrocuting stray animals in public displays to show how "unsafe" it was compared to Edison's DC. It directly led to the invention of the electric chair.

In the 1880s, it was the war over electrical power. Thomas Edison vs. Westinghouse. Their war got dirty and the invention of the electric chair resulted from a stunt from a negative publicity campaign.

Thomas Edison was the first person to establish himself in the electrical service industry by introducing a DC (direct current) system. Westinghouse developed AC (alternating current) which he had acquired from the inventor Nikola Tesla.

DC had the disadvantage of being able to provide service for only a few miles from the generator and required thick copper wire.

AC could be transmitted over long distances and with the price of copper rising-it was cheaper to string power lines.

Edison knew (and admitted many years later) that AC was superior, so he started a campaign against Westinghouse's system by claiming that AC was unsafe to use.

In 1887, Edison held a public demonstration in West Orange, New Jersey. He set up a 1000 volt Westinghouse generator and connected it to a metal plate. He then executed a dozen animals with it. The press found plenty to write about and coined a new word- "electro-cution" to explain what had gone on.

A year earlier, the state of New York had established a commission to find a more humane form of capitol punishment than hanging, which they considered too slow and painful.

The New York legislature passed a law in 1888 making electrocution the state's method of execution, but there were two designs for an electric chair- one using AC and the other DC. A committee was set up to decide which was better.

Thomas Edison furiously campaigned for the Westinghouse AC chair. He believed that no one would want the same kind of electrical service used for an "electrocution" anywhere near their house and he would win the power war.

Edison hired inventor Harold P. Brown, who had written a letter to the New York Post describing an accident where a young boy died touching an exposed telegraph wire operating on AC.

Brown and his assistant, Dr. Fred Peterson, began designing a DC electric chair for Edison. They would invite the press in to watch their experiments using dogs, horses and cows. The DC current would not kill the animals, it only tortured them. Then, they would hook them up to the AC and showed how quickly it killed them. The press gave the experiments plenty of space in their newspapers.

Dr. Peterson, still on Edison's payroll, was on the electric chair selection committee, so not surprisingly, he helped steer the committee into choosing the AC electric chair. The electrical execution law went into effect on January 1, 1889.

Westinghouse refused to sell AC generators to the New York state prison authorities. Edison went around Westinghouse and provided the AC generators the state needed.

Westinghouse paid for the first few appeals for the people sentenced to death by electrocution. The appeal was on the grounds that "electrocution was cruel and unusual punishment."

Edison and Brown testified that it was a "quick and painless form of death."

The state of New York won. For many years, people referred to being executed in the electric chair as being WESTINGHOUSED.

Thomas Edison's won the public relations war- planting the negative image he wanted, but despite his shenanigans it became clear that AC was overwhelmingly superior to DC, and AC became the standard for electrical service.
 
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benis dotcon said:
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He invented modern day white people.

Stole this for Facebook status.

This didn't end well.

hahahhhhahaa. Do tell.


Oh, and all this bullshit about jobs is making me sick. People are all fucking stupid. I didn't like him when he was alive and I still don't like him now that he's dead.
 

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A bunch of people I know who definitely are the types who read No Logo and then constantly annoyed their friends and family about how we all gotta stop being such consumerists have changed their profile pictures to the brand image of a multinational corporation. All to show their support for a cutthroat industrialist.
Ayn Rand is laughing at these idiots from hell.
 

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If it had been Bill Gates that had died most of these same people going on about how great Steve Jobs was would be celebrating and telling us what an awful man Bill Gates was.
 

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I'm glad that this thread rather than being for mourning of Jobs has been used to shit all over him. Well done TRTSM, it's nice to know that there are still places that offer a respite from the idiocy I have to deal with in my social network. Which is not to say I don't like my actual friends, but when you've got hundreds of 'friends', well, you know.
 

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Smues said:
If it had been Bill Gates that had died most of these same people going on about how great Steve Jobs was would be celebrating and telling us what an awful man Bill Gates was.
Oh yeah, definately. Gates' whole life and fortune is devoted to improving the lives of less fortunate people on earth, and Jobs is was an objectivist asshole who never did any philanthropy (and actually CANCELLED all of Apples charitable programs when he came back). HOWEVER, Microsoft didn't have billions of marketing dollars spent towards making liberal hipsters feel artsy and special by buying their products like Apple did, so Gates will not be remembered as fondly.
 

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This is just the baby boomer generation navel gazing. I can't wait until they are gone.
 

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ZGangsta said:
Smues said:
If it had been Bill Gates that had died most of these same people going on about how great Steve Jobs was would be celebrating and telling us what an awful man Bill Gates was.
Oh yeah, definately. Gates' whole life and fortune is devoted to improving the lives of less fortunate people on earth, and Jobs is was an objectivist asshole who never did any philanthropy (and actually CANCELLED all of Apples charitable programs when he came back). HOWEVER, Microsoft didn't have billions of marketing dollars spent towards making liberal hipsters feel artsy and special by buying their products like Apple did, so Gates will not be remembered as fondly.

Bill Gates and his wife have done so much to make the world a better place. The amount of money they pour into charity is staggering. Yet Gates is pretty much universally reviled. It makes no sense.

I'm glad TRTSM has this event in perspective. Fuck a Steve Jobs.
 
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LPM said:
ZGangsta said:
Smues said:
If it had been Bill Gates that had died most of these same people going on about how great Steve Jobs was would be celebrating and telling us what an awful man Bill Gates was.
Oh yeah, definately. Gates' whole life and fortune is devoted to improving the lives of less fortunate people on earth, and Jobs is was an objectivist asshole who never did any philanthropy (and actually CANCELLED all of Apples charitable programs when he came back). HOWEVER, Microsoft didn't have billions of marketing dollars spent towards making liberal hipsters feel artsy and special by buying their products like Apple did, so Gates will not be remembered as fondly.

Bill Gates and his wife have done so much to make the world a better place. The amount of money they pour into charity is staggering. Yet Gates is pretty much universally reviled. It makes no sense.

I'm glad TRTSM has this event in perspective. Fuck a Steve Jobs.

Exactly. It's amazing how fucking stupid people become when they start following white covered electronics like a cult.
 

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LPM said:
ZGangsta said:
Smues said:
If it had been Bill Gates that had died most of these same people going on about how great Steve Jobs was would be celebrating and telling us what an awful man Bill Gates was.
Oh yeah, definately. Gates' whole life and fortune is devoted to improving the lives of less fortunate people on earth, and Jobs is was an objectivist asshole who never did any philanthropy (and actually CANCELLED all of Apples charitable programs when he came back). HOWEVER, Microsoft didn't have billions of marketing dollars spent towards making liberal hipsters feel artsy and special by buying their products like Apple did, so Gates will not be remembered as fondly.

Bill Gates and his wife have done so much to make the world a better place. The amount of money they pour into charity is staggering. Yet Gates is pretty much universally reviled. It makes no sense.

I'm glad TRTSM has this event in perspective. Fuck a Steve Jobs.
Well, Bill Gates gave me a blue screen of death and a broken Xbox.
 

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I doubt as many people will shit on Bill Gates as you guys are thinking. His philanthropy is very well-known, even some of the Apple fanboys I know have realized that.
 

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One of those real "Everything Wrong With Modern America" snapshots right here.
 

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In light of the hero worship, fuck fucking cancer. Don't wish that shit on anyone. Whatever you thought of Jobs, he death was probably very painful.
 

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The level of reverence is fucking insane. There is a difference between respecting the positive things he did and just sticking your tongue in the asshole of his corpse. He was a dick who was fucking ruthless in the marketing of his product, and sheep fucking ate it up. Hell, I'm not happy that I have to use iTunes to download the podcasts I listen to, and have refused for years to buy Apple products because they were HORRIBLY overpriced for what you got, and only had gotten more so through the years. While I recognize the significance on society that the iPod and now the iPhone made, but seriously, fuck Apple for their marketing model and their overpriced shit.
 
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