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The gut was good. I'm way more afraid a vampire who eats more than one who doesn't eat at all.
 
Gangrel is on the list of gimmicks that seemed cool because they were in the middle of a hot run. He comes out of a ring of fire in 1995 and it's a groaner gimmick. "They wanted people to pay for Savio Vega vs a vampire!??!"

IIRC Vampire Warrior was the 94 PWI rookie of the year..... but he debuted in the late 80s.
 
BruiserBrody said:
Gangrel is on the list of gimmicks that seemed cool because they were in the middle of a hot run. He comes out of a ring of fire in 1995 and it's a groaner gimmick. "They wanted people to pay for Savio Vega vs a vampire!??!"

IIRC Vampire Warrior was the 94 PWI rookie of the year..... but he debuted in the late 80s.
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I disagree on the grounds Gangrel was presented as genuinely cool and contemporary, whereas if it was 1995 he would've been Count Chocula and feuded with Taker for three weeks. The entrance and music wouldn't have been in play in 1995, but if they were he would've been a top guy immediately, albeit one with a VERY short shelf life. Like he fits the Bret Hart villain of the week booking pattern of 1995 perfectly.
 
Valeyard said:
I disagree on the grounds Gangrel was presented as genuinely cool and contemporary, whereas if it was 1995 he would've been Count Chocula and feuded with Taker for three weeks. The entrance and music wouldn't have been in play in 1995, but if they were he would've been a top guy immediately, albeit one with a VERY short shelf life. Like he fits the Bret Hart villain of the week booking pattern of 1995 perfectly.
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Gangrel stealing Bret's shades off a kid and wearing them for a week or two leading into an IYH match is right up that 1995 alley.
 
Exactly. Spit some blood on a little kid in a Bret shirt. Steal some glasses. Be the bridge between the sadistic monk and the pirate.
 
I had to go to the Cawthon and see how they rearranged that. As expected, the card lost more than Bret...Owen/Bulldog were replaced by Savio Vega and Miguel Perez. That's a drastic drop in talent but Perez was willing to do the Doomsday Device finish at least. Vader was moved around as well to job to Kane but our NYC friends still got George Steele...he seconded Dude Love! This was the show with the 15 minute HBK-Brooklyn Brawler match. Then HBK did double duty, taking the pin in a main event tag with HHH vs Taker/Austin. Austin stone cold stunned Chyna to send the fans home in some state of mind.

Refunds were not offered.
 
What a moment to be Vince McMahon. You aren't quite sure your talent will now remain loyal after you screwed over a long time employee.
-Your champ is full of drugs, won't lose and fakes injuries and threatens to leave every time he's butt hurt.
- Your new ace has a broken neck and can't take any real bumps at the moment, but you still have him penciled in to carry the company
- You're trying to get a charismatic green guy over as a top mid-carder but have to navigate your boyfriend wanting his side bitch to get a big push instead
- You're about to pour money you don't really have into bringing in a rapist and hope the PR means buys and not boycotts.
 
I don't remember appearing on TV until Degeneration X proper. If this made air, then lol.

Otherwise, Shamrock being a legit shooter is less scary than a potentially Bronsonesque vehicle of vengence in Owen. Ankle locks never hit harder than murder.
 
That video was from the DX PPV. It was after the Shamrock-HBK match.

The next night on the 12/8/97 Raw Sable dropped her potato sack and the business truly changed forever.
 
WWF @ Chicago, IL – Rosemont Horizon – December 26, 1996 (5,449)
Doug Furnas & Phil LaFon defeated Razor Ramon II & Diesel II when Furnas made the pin
Crush pinned Savio Vega with a roll up after Farooq came ringside
Ahmed Johnson defeated Goldust via disqualification when Farooq and Crush interfered; Goldust and Ahmed teamed up and cleaned house afterwards
WWF World Champion Psycho Sid pinned Mankind with the powerbomb
Farooq pinned Marc Mero with a roll up after Crush came ringside
Henry & Phinneas Godwinn and Bart Gunn defeated Justin Bradshaw and WWF Tag Team Champions Owen Hart & Davey Boy Smith when Bart pinned Bradshaw
The Undertaker defeated WWF IC Champion Hunter Hearst Helmsley via disqualification after the champion used the title belt as a weapon
Vader & Steve Austin defeated Bret Hart & Shawn Michaels when Austin pinned Bret with a roll up after Vader threw Michaels into Bret; Hart and Michaels brawled after the match

Main Event sounds like a banger
 
Here's one. Wrestling Twitter is arguing because WWE2K6 is Attitude Era themed, but the picture of Triple H that they're using, has him wearing the Big Gold, which wasn't until they Got the F Out and went Ruthless Aggression.

This has led to a side argument where people are trying to push the narrative that Triple H was the most important figure of the AE, and the main villain. In my memory, I don't remember him really being the main antagonist until the latter half of the AE.

Thoughts? Opinions?
 
HHH was my favorite from 99 until the injury. He was great. But he was always the least over person in every program or group he was in.
 
HHH in 2000 is one of the single greatest runs of any top talent in any promotion ever. I will fight, die, and kill on that hill.

He was never the main character when the company was successful. Principal heel during 2000? Yes. But he was working with Rock, Jericho, and Angle all year long.
 
Big Papa Paegan said:
HHH in 2000 is one of the single greatest runs of any top talent in any promotion ever. I will fight, die, and kill on that hill.
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I say this all the time. I’ve drafted this version in the past and he didn’t get much respect. I don’t think people realize how bad the quad injury was. In 2000, he had like five legit classics that would be up there with any wrestler’s best, not to mention countless good tv matches and angles. All in one year is a legit GOAT run. And that’s coming from someone who thought he genuinely hurt the entertainment aspect of the business with how many guys he buried for years after that.
 
"Stone Cold Steve Austin was a flawed man, and the fans could see he was flawed and that's why they loved him"
- John McAdams guest on Stick to Wrestling this week.

Flawed?!?!? He got over because he was cutting excellent promos, hung with the beloved top babyface, was booked like a crazy badass and fought alone when most of the upper card was in groups.

What a stinker of a take. BTW this was regarding their opinion Chris Adams should have done a repenting babyface gimmick.

McAdams says Adams was in line to replace Neidhart and Dynamite KId at various points but nothing came of it
 
Watching Wrestling With Shadows for the 1st time in years. They really jump around the timeline at the start. They start with the Stampede and then move back to coming back to the WWWF and moving onto his heel run.

Bret really wanted to quit the biz and openly says the WCW money would be a nice path to retirement.

MSG RAW is when Vince tells Bret he wants out of the contract. WHY'D YOU JUST PUT THE BELT ON HIM?!~!?!?!

Vince pretty much says he's mad Bret had leverage over him and it ate away at him.

Bret is being silly and acting like no one has ever turned heel before and gone back face.

Hart is already shitting on the WWF raunchy aspects while WWF Champ doing media.

Honky Tonk Man of all people being in the Hart limo made me LOLOLOL.

"I can trust Earl" LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Bret and Stu chat about Bret leaving boils down to "I'm going to be a millionaire but I need to whine about it"

"Losing would be like blowing my brains out" "Losing tomorrow will be like getting raped"

Sunny and Bret's wife having a chat in Montreal is a bit surreal given the "Sunny Days" comment

Vince blames Ted Turner for coming between he and Bret.

Telling Vince he wants to forfeit the title on RAW may have forced Vince's hand.

They splice in a RAW intro for Survivor Series....

Bret agrees to be put in a Sharpshooter LOLOLOLOL

HHH and Shawn claim innocence. Animal is hanging out for....reasons?
 
The doc could have actually told a more rounded and cohesive story had they actually shown and talked to Bret about the Sunny Days comment and the backstage brawl with Shawn in June.
They don't mention either, which really hurts the story. We basically get Bret in a limo talking about "shooting in promos" at Vince's behest. If you don't know all the ins and outs you don't get the full effect of the story. (They also don't mention Shawn saying he won't job to Bret)

Overall having watched both Beyond the Mat and this in the past 2 weeks, I have to say all the modern openness of the backstage has sort of removed some of the magic of this stuff.

The fans being interviewed before Summerslam and the teens and young adults all acting like this was for REALZ was the funniest bit of Bret's doc
 
There's money in a director's cut, three hour version. Always has been. Bonus points for a blu ray with Vince commentary.
 
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