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Honestly, there's no real way that Taz would have worked long-term in the WWF. Just imagine the nightmare of him trying to T-Bone someone like Kane, or what HHH's reaction would've been if he knocked Taz down with the high knee and then Taz stood up and no-sold it.

Now? Sure, he'd have a chance to get over, but the average WWE talent isn't as tall or as large as they were back then.
 
He at least is having bangers in the hardcore division against guys he's proven to succeed with. Gimme Taz/Meng or Taz/Finlay on Thunder over the Lawler feud. Hell maybe he gets further when the Radicalz jump. Never sniffs the world title but there's much more upward mobility than he ended up with.

Man, if Taz and Awesome jump, it's super interesting thinking of how ECW picks up the pieces.
 
Crosspost from the WCW thread wrt the Brian Walsh post, as I noticed that Paul Roma worked a RAW taping at the end of 1997? I can't imagine him being used as anything more than a job guy at that time. Is there a story behind this?
 
You put him under the Patirot mask when Wilkes goes down.
 

Some highlights:
- Corny hated how 70s the WWF made Flash Funk and jokingly told Vince they should get Aunt Ester (Sanford and Son) on RAW to dance with Scorpio. Vince loved it and they tried to get her but she was too old for the spot.
- Corny wanted the NOD to strip him of the clothes, but Funk would morph into 2 Cold instead of keeping the Flash gimmick.
- WWF wanted Rick Rude to lead a group with the "Insurance Policy" gimmick he eventually used in DX. Corny suggested Furnas and Lafon be his lackeys.
- Jim wanted Fatu gone after so many gimmicks and no hint of being over.
- Cornette actually buried Windham in 1997 and wanted the WWF to make Bradshaw a kick ass babyface.
- Erik Watts was apparently on the table to be given a new chance. Corny isn't sure if his 1995 contract was still valid or what since he was long gone from TV.
- Mero lacks psychology and Corny wanted Sable broken off from him as the babyface with a hot woman is death.
- He buries Sable's promos and wants her to be a ring girl and merch model.
- Rockabilly and Jesse Jammes: Make them a "New Age" looking team of old school bumping heel outlaws. The "New Age Outlaw" name was being used by Armstrong on some WWF hotline promos.
- Tiger Ali Singh thought he was a star and needed to be humbled to reach his potential.
 
The Aunt Esther thing is better than the NOD thing, really. Also the "baby face with hot woman = death" thing is absurd.
 
Lets say for the sake of arguement that the XFL was a resounding success in 2001 (LOL), does Vince start to be more hands off on WWE TV accelerating HHH's rise to power?
 
That’s a fun hypothetical, but ultimately, I think Vince would be more inclined to burn the candle at both ends than become more hands-off with WWE.
 
I think ultimately he feels vindicated by the success of XFL after the proof of concept and hands it over to Dick Ebersol to manage while keeping his fingers in the pie and feels emboldened to start another sports league but WWE is still his baby and he’s more inclined in 2001 to let Shane operate it alongiside Pat rather than Hunter who isn’t in the family yet.
 
Not sure this hypothetical has ever been proposed and on the surface it doesn't seem like it would be a huge deal, but if you dig deeper I think it could've changed the business for years.

What if Sable never left WWF in 1999? Let's say she didn't get the big ego and was easy to deal with.

Do they even bring in Trish in early 2000 if Sable is still the entire focus of the division? And without Trish is there that bridge between T&A matches and regular women's matches?

I think you could make an argument that if Sable stayed (and I'm not talking all the way until this date just that the course would be altered until it) you wouldn't have serious women's wrestling until the late 00s.
 
geniusMoment said:
Not sure this hypothetical has ever been proposed and on the surface it doesn't seem like it would be a huge deal, but if you dig deeper I think it could've changed the business for years.

What if Sable never left WWF in 1999? Let's say she didn't get the big ego and was easy to deal with.

Do they even bring in Trish in early 2000 if Sable is still the entire focus of the division? And without Trish is there that bridge between T&A matches and regular women's matches?

I think you could make an argument that if Sable stayed (and I'm not talking all the way until this date just that the course would be altered until it) you wouldn't have serious women's wrestling until the late 00s.
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I think the push for serious women's wrestling would have probably happened a little earlier on an independent level, because there's no way you're having Jazz come into WWE being a baaaaaad biiiiiiitch with Sable's T&A act front and center.
 
I don't know if Sable lasts much longer even best case. Are we assuming she just agrees to everything asked of her and that Vince/Kevin Dunn are still interested and that she doesn't piss everyone off? Because once Vince is bored and someone like Trish, who is an improvement in every way while also younger and easier to deal with, shows up, Sable is out.
 
That's a hard what if since everything that went to pot was why she quit. She didn't want to bump and once her promos went beyond "Come here you BITCH!" she was exposed as a dullard.
She also shrank the tits from her Spring 98 peak where she couldn't walk without creating seismic flesh movement.

They had already run out of opponents for her, hence the Luna rehash before Tori. More than likely the fans would have grown bored with her naturally and gravitated to the shiny new tits, errrr worker in Trish.
 

I forgot the Shane/Test match was set up on Livewire of all places. Probably the most notable thing to come out of the Michael Cole area of the show.
 
That was around when they brought in Shane's wife to cohost for a bit, I think.
 
I remember learning that Shane was married to the Livewire host on fucking Stern of all places. I thought "oh, that makes sense".

Shane's wife produced a movie like 20 years ago starring Mick Foley and Peter Storemare.
 
Two guys in the nation played actual pro ball, so yeah it would have been bad lol

HHH was just a bodybuilder, the only legit athlete on the DX side would have been former professional bull rider Billy Gunn.
 
I mean Waltman did martial arts and Road Dogg was in the service. It'd be like the UFC 2 of football.
 
I know a lot of people shit on him. But, man. The 2nd part of the video is just heartbreaking.

 
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