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The Biden Presidency Vol. 3 and 4: Democracy’s Last Stand?

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yeah the point is finding a clip of anyone stumbling over their words isn't hard. Obama was famous for his "um's and uhs" and rambling.
 

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[quote author=BRODY link=topic=7317.msg606823#msg6
Does anyone here actually like him and think he is doing a good job? Forget about voting for him, I get voting against Trump. But I just want to know if people here actually think he’s doing a good job or just wanna vote for him because he’s not Trump. Which again, fair.
 

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Anyone who actually watched the entire 20 minutes would realize his point was that Democrats saying Biden should be immune from criticism are wrong. That both sides are NOT the same and therefore it's even MORE important to make sure to call out Biden for his flaws.

This was exactly the show Jon needed to do for his first show back. He needed to make people angry and shake things up. He got people's attention.
 

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In 1992, Republicans told people to hate Hillary Clinton. These people obliged. They continued to oblige into November 2016. People are again being told by Republicans to do as they're told and hate their party's opponent. And, so, another friendly reminder that nobody ever has to do what this political party tells them to do.
 

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At the risk of Hawk and CWM calling me ageist again, I don't how the off we've gotten to setting the record for POTUS Election with oldest candidates THREE ELECTIONS IN A ROW! (especially with so many ageist fucks like myself out there)

Remember in '08 when everyone thought John McCain was too old to be POTUS and might not be able to finish his term? He was TEN YEARS YOUNGER THAN BIDEN IS NOW (and six years younger than Trump).
 

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From 1981-1993, three consecutive elections, the United States was led by senior citizens (elected by wide margins). One served for 8 years and suffered from Alzheimers disease. The other had a costly gaffe when he didn't know how store checkout lines worked.
 

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McCain looked/seemed older due to his hair and tortured body from his time as a POW during the war in Vietnam. I don't remember 'everyone' thinking he was too old. If he would've dodged the draft 5 times and become a celebrity instead, he'd probably still be alive with a bad toupee today.
 

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Now there's something I can agree with. It does suck, all around. We might not agree on the reasons why but many of us can probably agree on that.

I'd go so far as to say that many of the surrounding factors (being very online, celebrity worship, the need to both sides everything no matter what, focus on status and title, etc) suck too.
 

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From 1981-1993, three consecutive elections, the United States was led by senior citizens (elected by wide margins). One served for 8 years and suffered from Alzheimers disease. The other had a costly gaffe when he didn't know how store checkout lines worked.
Ronald Reagan was a terrible president and human being and no one with Alzheimers should hold office. The argument isn't that being old and president is unprecedented. It's that it's an awful idea. The growth in Presidential powers that have accrued to the office by people LIKE Reagan has only made that more so.
 

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I'm not disagreeing with that. Reagan was beneath the shelf as far as presidents go. And, ftr, wanting someone old and with dementia to be president wasn't my point. However, Biden has been a Little Carmine with the malapropisms for a long time. That doesn't suddenly become dementia because some cable news celebrity lies to you. But when a sick fuck, propped up by said cable tv celebrities, can't even remember his third and current wife's name, well, I don't know, maybe that's a little more important. Or just pick pick Jill Stein again. She's young!
 

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My mom has dementia, I think I'd know, they both have something wrong with them. They are both too old for this job.

It's the same thing as 2016. You have two choices who are completely unequally bad. But when people roll in shit instead of rub their face in piss well look at Woodstock 99 and you'd see that people are more than willing to do that. And Americans are never happy with their ruling government
 

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Clearly, some of us wanted someone to primary Biden. Fair enough. It's happened before. The most famous example is Gene McCarthy pushing out LBJ by being relatively competitive in 1968; less famous is Kefauver pushing Truman in 1952. Psycho Republicans embarrassed themselves with that sack of stupid shit Buchanan against their own WW2 hero Bush Sr in 1992 but fucked themselves anyway.

Nobody ran this time. And that probably makes some sense too. McCarthy almost certainly knew he didn't have a chance. But he did what he chose to do, for his reasons. Kennedy waited until Johnson (whom he hated!) was done. The 60s were weird and this thing hasn't gotten any less weird. Newsom didn't want to be Gene McCarthy. And so there was nobody else.
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The other party, who represent a galaxy I do not know, had a brimming tankard of options. They are choosing the draft dodging casino bankrupting bitch.

I, too, wished for better but I'll take a Little Carmine who kept us out of another decade in Afghanistan over fuckin' Jimmy
 

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That's not what anyone's really saying though, it's more that if you want to have the best chance of beating a senile old guy in an election, don't run an older but less senile guy against him. It's frustrating.

The constant deference being given to 80 year olds is just totally crazy. It's not just these two. We just had a senator finish their tenure by dying even though she had a brain made of jelly for at least three years.
 

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It's frustrasting. But I just don't want to look at this like I did when I was 17. Bush vs Gore, all the connotations, they're both bad, and go Harry Browne, yadda yadda. I don't want to look at it like a cartoon like that anymore. I'm from a very small town and I didn't know a whole lot of people at 17. I do now (relatively) and I don't want to disregard them, and how they're impacted by these elections. I've hoped for, and worked for, better situations but, well, it hasn't always worked. So many Wisconsin elections have been close lately. Minnesota, too, where I plan to be voting this November. Sometimes I wish I lived in the states where they're not close.
 

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Buddy, I was raised in a town of 400 with no traffic lights and it is nowhere near close in elections in my state right now because everything is basically a supermajority for hard Rs and we aren’t talking about a racist term (though that inevitably goes hand in hand with the politicians I speak of). On the docket and likely to pass in my state’s legislature this session is the approval of raw milk and the removal of vaccine (re: polio, measles, etc) requirements for public and private schools. Respectfully, I don’t pity your close elections.
 
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