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The Indie Wrestling Hall of Fame Show on Saturday night is airing for free on Fite TV if you want to watch CM Punk speak glowingly of former TSMer Dave Prazak.
 

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I'd totally dress up is I was going to that. I hate going into the city, and going Sunday is enough for me. Hell, my job is across the street from Hammerstein, and since the pandemic started, I've been working from home. They gave me a choice to continue to work from home if I wanted, and I jumped at that. I hate going into the city.
 

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my friend just posted this. Kenny Omega wrestled at this venue. Alas I was under 21 and couldn’t see him, Mr. 630 or THE BANANA EATING CONTEST. Gangrel also made an appearance at SKIP’S BAR.
 

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Nothing can top how bad Kevin Steen got wasted at his hottest. Threw money away for no reason.

I have mixed feelings on the Jerry Lynn run as well.
 

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Nothing can top how bad Kevin Steen got wasted at his hottest. Threw money away for no reason.
The worst thing is that Corny was actually right in theory, but his execution was all wrong. He wanted Steen gone for six months before the comeback stuff, but that ignores that this would mean six months of a major pay cut and six months without one of the hottest acts in the entire industry. I'm openly biased because Steen saved my love for wrestling twice over (post-Benoit with the Briscoes feud, in 2011 when I gave PWG a real watch), but it says everything negative about Corny's run that two guys he wanted off the shows (Steen and Generico) ended up being two of the bigger deals in the last decade.

Which leads to my actual answer to "what is the worst booking move in ROH history":
Giving Jim Cornette creative power.

Corny regularly forgets, or maybe openly ignores, that ROH was formed not from a plethora of old-school purists, but from the same fans that loved ECW. It was a hot, revolutionary product that respected where the business had come from, but knew it had to move forward, and the best way to stand out during the post-Invasion doldrums was to offer a bleeding edge in-ring style.

He had a vision of the kind of talent that he wanted to showcase, but that vision ignored the workers who were actually drawing an audience in 2012. He wanted to present a gritty, realistic product that took itself seriously, but his way of doing that was to mimic the booking style of failed companies from the last 20 years (including his own).

Say all you want about how lame duck the Adam Pearce shows were, and how there were more moving parts beyond Corny's control than he could have previously imagined, and even how Delirious had the final say (for way too long), but Corny's fingerprints are all over those shows after Final Battle 2011 and are a big reason fans tuned out.
 

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I never knew Cena did any indie stuff before he signed with WWE.


It’s cool to see how many people on this card are still active in 2022. Looks like “Canvasman” Robbie Ellis finally retired at the spry age of 69, @Laz
 

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Facebook friend who shared said it was "22 years ago" yesterday so that'd put it at '00. Although Cagematch says Cena was still working indies in '01. '01 makes more sense though. Idk. Maybe ECW was letting Joel Gertner do random indies although it's funny as hell that random indies wanted guest shots from Gertner.

"You know who people would really come out for? The horny color commentator from ECW on TNN!"
 

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Facebook friend who shared said it was "22 years ago" yesterday so that'd put it at '00. Although Cagematch says Cena was still working indies in '01. '01 makes more sense though. Idk. Maybe ECW was letting Joel Gertner do random indies although it's funny as hell that random indies wanted guest shots from Gertner.

"You know who people would really come out for? The horny color commentator from ECW on TNN!"
Gotta be March '01, because Slyck Wagner Brown was the champ from Feb 23 to April 27 of that year, and that's his only reign that matches up with Cena being on the indies (as the other two were in the last decade). Meaning that's the night he dropped it.
 

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What happened to Slyck? After the April Hunter fallout he dropped off the radar.
 

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TIL Sherri Martel had a run in IWA Mid-South after she got released from WCW.

Sherri in IWA Mid-South seems wrong at first but kind of makes sense the more I think about it.

She was also in a six person TLC match on an indie show in 2000 and the opposing team had CM Punk and former TSMer Dave Prazak. I wonder if this show is on IWTV---
 
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