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WWE in Winter 2023-24: CM Punk is All Entertainment.

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I wanted to give Punk the benefit of the doubt at first but the sheer weight of evidence was overwhelmingly against him. He was an active participant in everything from the very start. He always has been his entire career. Punk was given every chance in the world in AEW and fucked it up. There is no reason to think this will be any different.
 

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Yeah, even if that take is remotely the case, Punk has been notorious from day one at being able to dish it out but not take it. Guy is a super fragile, emotionally crippled narcissist who can't handle anything. I was a huge Punk guy, and I despise me some Elite, but it got to where I couldn't overlook that shit if I wanted to.
 

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This is where I point out that Punk is the classic 'I go off script' guy, you think everyone's just gonna stand around and let him castrate them without talking back? It's crazy that there's people who actually think this.

The guy runs around trying to beat up his coworkers and threatening his boss. Anyone who made him mad isn't even allowed to be on the same show as him. This guy will fit in WWE. How do those three things make any sense?
I certainly blame Punk more than anyone for what happened in AEW. But, I just think WWE is a much more professional, corporate machine. I think many of the things that set him off won't occur in WWE. By the way, WWE being so corporate is probably the main reason I like AEW so much more.

I'm not saying Punk isn't a hypocrite in many ways. But, last time Punk was in WWE he lasted for years before finally flaming out. And the main reason he left (being asked to work hurt) would no longer occur. I could easily see him having a run.
 

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I certainly blame Punk more than anyone for what happened in AEW. But, I just think WWE is a much more professional, corporate machine. I think many of the things that set him off won't occur in WWE. By the way, WWE being so corporate is probably the main reason I like AEW so much more.

I'm not saying Punk isn't a hypocrite in many ways. But, last time Punk was in WWE he lasted for years before finally flaming out. And the main reason he left (being asked to work hurt) would no longer occur. I could easily see him having a run.
I could see him having a run, but if he has one it will be at a lot of other people's expense. For him to be happy it will require many people to be sacrificed at his feet. If he has a good run it will not be because he played well with others. We are going on 20 years of this guy being unable to behave. That is not going to change. This one time is not going to be the time that he acts good. He's 45 years old.
 

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"It won't happen in a corporate environment" doesn't really matter when the corporate structure is what drove him out of the business in the first place. TKO is going to be less inclined to take shit than Vince, or at least take shit in the same way.
 

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Got a question or two.

What do you think WWE and Saudi Arabia will do to him when he grabs a pro-trans rights sign and poses with it on camera?

What about when he sacrifices his principles entirely and never does that? Do you think that he can stick something like that out?

All of these things are paradoxes because the things required for him to have a good run, are just things that are totally unrealistic. So you do that Seth-Punk match as fast as you can while you have the chance to do it.
 

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He won't do that, and he'll bottle that shit up because he knows he can profit from an interview about it after the whole thing goes tits up. Maybe even use it as a reason to get fired: showing up on some show going on about how awful it was to work those shows, ignoring the money, and how WWE hates the LGBT+ groups and whatnot. He'll keep one in the chamber because he's a carny fuck.
 

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since when has wwe been a haven of corporate responsibility. it's last ceo just got ousted for fucking everything that moves. HHH has his own history of terrible behavior.
 

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Got a question or two.

What do you think WWE and Saudi Arabia will do to him when he grabs a pro-trans rights sign and poses with it on camera?

What about when he sacrifices his principles entirely and never does that? Do you think that he can stick something like that out?
How both Punk and WWE handle Saudi Arabia is the biggest question out there. I don't have a clue.

And that is certainly an issue that I could see eventually blowing up the deal.

I'm not saying there isn't a very real possibility this ends really bad.

We also don't know how much Punk is going to be around. If he's around like Brock or Reigns I think there is much lower probability of him getting fed up WWE.
 

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since when has wwe been a haven of corporate responsibility. it's last ceo just got ousted for fucking everything that moves. HHH has his own history of terrible behavior.
I think you are much less likely to have people go off script in WWE like Hangman or Jack Perry. That is my point
 

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I think you are much less likely to have people go off script in WWE like Hangman or Jack Perry. That is my point
Those guys didn't go off script because there was no script. Punk said a lot of shit about Hangman, he made all kinds of shoot comments about all kinds of guys. Part of being in the wrestling business and having good runs is being able to act like an adult. Don't throw your chair cause some guy hurt your feelings over fake fighting.
 

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Those guys didn't go off script because there was no script. Punk said a lot of shit about Hangman, he made all kinds of shoot comments about all kinds of guys. Part of being in the wrestling business and having good runs is being able to act like an adult. Don't throw your chair cause some guy hurt your feelings over fake fighting.
There might not be a word for word script but there is a general outline of how the promo would go/what type of shit would be said. Eddie and MJF said much worse things about Punk in promos but shit didn't hit the fan.

The good news is we're all gonna quickly find out. It doesn't have to be a hypothetical question anymore.
 

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There might not be a word for word script but there is a general outline of how the promo would go/what type of shit would be said. Eddie and MJF said much worse things about Punk in promos but shit didn't hit the fan.

The good news is we're all gonna quickly find out. It doesn't have to be a hypothetical question anymore.
It didn't hit the fan because Punk didn't think he could kick their ass. If he did we'd have heard about it
 

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It didn't hit the fan because Punk didn't think he could kick their ass. If he did we'd have heard about it
Do you think MJF or Eddie are tougher than Hangman? I would probably take Hanger against either in a shoot.

I don't think that was the reason.
 

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Punk and MJF got along for a little while and Punk didn't take Kingston seriously ever. Hangman just did the exact same thing Punk does to people to Punk himself and he got huffing mad like a pussy.
 

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Do you think MJF or Eddie are tougher than Hangman? I would probably take Hanger against either in a shoot.

I don't think that was the reason.
Eddie yes, but they have different friends. If you think Hangman's friends are as weak as they look you might be more apt to act like a fool. See I don't know how anyone could get mad over what Hangman said in the first place. Punk has talked so much shit about other wrestlers and none of it was scripted. He is not the guy who can get away with acting like this.


I do however find it interesting that people are acting like AEW didn't know Punk was gonna shoot on them somewhere when they let him go. There's literally nothing he can say that will surprise the people who've been around him.
 

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Eddie yes, but they have different friends. If you think Hangman's friends are as weak as they look you might be more apt to act like a fool. See I don't know how anyone could get mad over what Hangman said in the first place. Punk has talked so much shit about other wrestlers and none of it was scripted. He is not the guy who can get away with acting like this.


I do however find it interesting that people are acting like AEW didn't know Punk was gonna shoot on them somewhere when they let him go. There's literally nothing he can say that will surprise the people who've been around him.
I agree with you there. Punk acted like a bitch over the whole thing.

If he had just laughed it off and not jumped over the rail in Los Angeles who knows how different shit would be right now.
 

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Does WWE organize shuttles to the arena?
 

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I also think it's mad funny that arguably the guy he hated the most is now his boss. Dunno how that's gonna work. Maybe he'll kill Triple H.
 

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I don't see any way his body holds up to a full time WWE schedule so I'm curious how often he's gonna work.

I had mentioned this earlier. But, if he's not involved in the day to day grind and just comes in a few times a year to work a few weeks of a big program against hand selected opponents this has a much higher probability of working. That is how I would book his run.
 

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Like isn’t this what the wars were all about? But go ahead and hate this but get rock hard about a guy drinking a guys blood. Please.
 

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More info on the Punk situation:

We are told by one WWE source that CM Punk is expected at Raw in Nashville this Monday.

Punk was not backstage during the Survivor Series PPV until shortly before he was to come out for his post-main event cameo. When Punk was brought into the building, the company secured an area for him and had everyone nearby move elsewhere in order to protect the surprise.

We are told that what Triple H said during the post-PPV media call was correct, that he and Nick Khan were the point people involved in bringing Punk back into the company and that literally no one else in the creative and production side of the company were made aware until during the PPV. We are told a small select group at that point were aware and that most talents were not made aware until moments before the bout, although it believed at least a few were clued in privately before that.

The WWE conversations, as PWInsider.com reported late last night, began less than a week ago. Until that point, Impact Wrestling had made a major money offer to Punk which we are told he was mulling over. In speaking to Impact sources after Punk's WWE return, we are told that Punk was "amazing" in his dealings with top Impact execs, including Scott D'Amore and Lou D'Angeli, during discussions. Impact sources felt they were very close to scoring Punk and at one point, hoped he would even be at Bound for Glory as part of the unveiling of the return of TNA, which did not happen. The conversations between the two sides continued after that PPV. In speaking to Impact sources, while the company had hoped Punk would come in there full-time, they realized the reality of the situation involving WWE and how much money could be made and were happy for Punk. We also heard from several Impact talents overnight who said they were appreciative of the time and advice Punk had spent with them at several tapings in Chicago when he visited.

At no point was CM Punk going back to AEW nor was he ever scheduled to be the reveal for The Devil the company keeps teasing in their MJF storylines.

For those who have asked this, it's entirely possible the Seth Rollins stuff was a work.

We are told that the Drew McIntyre situation (if even related to Punk) was not a work in that there was no one filming Drew backstage while Rollins was obviously out in front of a live crowd with WWE cameras and lots of fans with their phones.

It is being repeated elsewhere that PWInsider.com reported Punk signed a three-year deal. We never reported that number, so if you see it anywhere, it's absolutely incorrect and being attributed to PWInisider for the usual stupid reasons.
 

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I'm shocked at how little I care about Punk being back. Why should I pretend to care when it personally doesn't mean anything? Guy's a scumbag who was always an outside chance of showing up. The appeal to him is that he's going to nuke everything. Like last time.

Bloodfuck murderfights will always be cooler than buyer's remorse.
 

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Like isn’t this what the wars were all about? But go ahead and hate this but get rock hard about a guy drinking a guys blood. Please.
That match was a thousand times cooler than Punk showing up. I love everything Punk does on screen but man that match was incredible.

I think everyone on this site is dead inside and/or the action is in the chat. Oh well.

Most of us don't watch WWE or only watch ppvs or the big ppvs. I put in on for the men's wargames and the match was boring af. Yes it was cool to hear Punk's music and see him and all that shit but I already have been through this with him. Punk in WWE is doing scripted promos, working wwe style is just not interesting to me at all.

If there are people who are excited to see punk back in WWE that's great, but it should be understandable why so many of us aren't enthused and/or are cynical. He sued the company. He spent years lambasting them. I won't even list everything that happened in AEW beyond that half of it involved his continuing hatred for wwe and HHH. People not being up for this or finding it really funny is to be expected.


Also all this made me realize that we're almost at 30 years since Nitro started.
 

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Haha so that’s what I am saying man. It could go sideways but 909 acting like this is an affront to wrasslin is ludicrous. If this was 25 years ago we’d be losing our minds. Can’t lie as a lapsed fan who still keeps track this is the shit that makes me tune in, not a couple of great workers who seem to draw *** with ease
 
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