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That was how I felt about Bobo Brazil Jr
 

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Rufus was fun, though. One of those guys I have a soft spot for. He's in the Bugsy McGraw category.

I feel like a LOT of questionable people got NWA title shots.
 

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I went on a Bobo Jr/Calypso Jim dive a few years ago. I remember being rather surprised at how good he was. Not great or anything but as far as second generation people of that era, he was definitely better than I expected.
 

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I should put Wrestling Challenge thoughts here. It’s probably unfair to say Hercules underachieved given that he had a six year WWF career. But he really had a hell of a look in 1986.
 

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I should put Wrestling Challenge thoughts here. It’s probably unfair to say Hercules underachieved given that he had a six year WWF career. But he really had a hell of a look in 1986.
I know you know but.... peak bloated roster when he came in during early 86 (late 85?). 30 other guys were juiced to the tits in a similar manner (Herc did have a REALLY good body at first). Average worker at best, given the time frame (even in the land of the monster punchy kicky guys). Promos are....fine?
If he waited out another 2 years or so he probably would have gotten more focus as a guy and made some money with Hogan-Savage-Warrior, but debuting when did meant he was lost in the shuffle, even within his own Heenan Family stable.
He did get the big slot of a network WWF title match, featuring an all time great Hogan promo but they didn't give him much to do. Endless BJH matches and then a goon in the Patera vs Heenan feud....
After that he was stuck putting Warrior over.

I really liked face Herc when I was 7 to be fair.
 

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Herc and Dino Bravo could've switched positions and things would've worked out quite well.
 

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Sad to say I'm pretty sure I only saw exactly one episode of All American. At some point in the early 90s they were airing a classic match each week and I desperately wanted to see Andre/Strongbows vs some heel combo (IIRC) and had my brother tape it for me.

My Mania viewing was slightly better as I spent a decent amount of Saturdays babysitting or staying over by my bros or buddies.
WCW Pro on Sat Am after not sleeping until 4 AM because you were up watching smut on Cinemax with your fellow teens... oh the good ol' days.
 

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I didn't get satellite until 1995 so I missed the glory years. My earliest memories otherwise were Superstars on Saturday mornings (after Soul Train), and either WCW or AWA on right before or right after sometimes. My brother just called them the American League for some reason, so whichever was running comparable syndication to Superstars in 1988-89 NorCal is the answer.

The original Mania still somewhat appeals to me because it's Savage doing wacky shit with Pettengil. I hate the latter but could watch the former do literally anything.
 

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Isn't one of the old rumors that this was initially, on some level, intended for the Freebirds? Which makes a ton of sense if so.

I think Tully might've worked. Dibiase. Jesse. Lawler. Flair would've been great but I just can't picture it.
 

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I think the specification of appealing to the MTV audience dwindled that list down considerably to almost Hayes and Flair with Ventura as a long shot.

I don’t think Dibiase even if he still ends up with the same MDM gimmick is going to have that Piper effect.

Tully was great for his spot but I don’t think anyone could buy him as the top shit heel especially in that market.

Orndorff and Hogan obviously worked big time so maybe you slide him over but again is Wonderful enough to be a catalyst for the MTV boom? I don’t think so, but maybe.
 

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I just have trouble imagining Flair in that spot. I know he could do it but I can't picture it.

Dibiase going full heel would be fine. He (and none of them) are Piper, but part of it was a heel who could talk shit well. Dibiase could've done it, but the shelf-life is much smaller. Piper was so beyond all these guys for that spot that it's kinda crazy. Dibiase definitely means better matches, too, but that's secondary.

My main thing with Tully is that I think he could do similar things with Hogan that he did with Magnum, just bigger and more cartoony. He only needs to be bought as a chickenshit who will do anything to win or to at least not lose. He could no way physically stand up to Hogan but he's scumbag Tully who wouldn't want it to come down to that anyway while having good matches at the same time. Again the shelf-life is significantly smaller.

Orndorff wasn't the guy for the Piper spot. It just wasn't time yet. He couldn've have carried the promos and ultimately his trajectory worked out much better.

I think Lawler works because he was already known for the Kaufman stuff and had a measure of cache. Promos would've been fun. He maybe makes Mr. T look better than anyone else. He also might've been much easier to talk into putting Hogan over, which is key. But I can see him insulting Cyndi Lauper and it being hilarious. He's also just uncool enough to want to see him get killed on MTV while cool enough to make you want to pay to see him get killed on MTV.

If you bring in Savage earlier, he's absolutely the best answer across the board. He was already a top guy when he debuted after WM anyway despite not being a well known name before, and with the MTV push before the show? Legend out the gate. He also would be willing to put Hogan over and be willing to play ball in a lot of things. Besides the following Savage/Orndorff matches would've ruled.

Terry Funk would've been fantastic but I don't think he'd have gotten the high highs Piper did. That said just let him be insane and wreck people and say the craziest shit with a branding iron and he's going to get over anywhere with anyone. He's also the only one who had a comparable mainstream career to Piper as well, so who knows. This universe gets Funk in They Live on top of a Wrestlemania main event or two with Hogan.

If Eddie Gilbert weren't so short, he'd have worked.
 

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That's one of the first wrestling matches I remember watching as a kid. Matches up as I started watching around summer 86. I thought the Bulldogs were done for here.
 

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That's one of the first wrestling matches I remember watching as a kid. Matches up as I started watching around summer 86. I thought the Bulldogs were done for here.
I remember making my holy communion early in the morning and coming home that day hyped as fuck for the Bulldogs vs Studd and Bundy which an interesting match and the teasing of dissension between the Heenan Family was kind of cool to see and if it played out Studd would've been the face in that fued.
 

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This might just be completely baseless fan speculation but you have to think Big John Studd Vs King Kong Bundy was on one of the first drafts of the WrestleMania III card (replaced by King Kong Bundy Vs Kamala replaced by the mixed midget madness we actually got).
 

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This might just be completely baseless fan speculation but you have to think Big John Studd Vs King Kong Bundy was on one of the first drafts of the WrestleMania III card (replaced by King Kong Bundy Vs Kamala replaced by the mixed midget madness we actually got).
Meltzer said Hacksaw Duggan vs Kamala was penciled in for Wrestlemainia III but who the hell knows for sure.
But Studd vs Bundy or Kamala vs Bundy seemed kick ass at the time.
 

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If Tully is too small, Lawler is too small.

Hayes/Gordy as the Piper/Wonderful dynamic feels decent to me, but Hayes vs Hogan feels like a train wreck. Hayes plays more chickenshit than brawler IMO.

The storyline would have to alter slightly as Hayes was pro rock and roll. Piper in his skirt and spittin' fire on MTV fits much better.
 

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Bundy/Studd going more than four minutes is worst of all time, and not because of Bundy. I really don't like Studd, and that tag match with the Bulldogs is likely the best Studd match I've ever seen.

If Tully is too small, Lawler is too small.

I honestly don't think Tully is too small because like I said, all he has to be a scumbag who would never match up with Hogan on a physical level. Lawler doesn't look as out place because he carries himself like a big star, no matter what anyone thinks. He'd have been the only one to compare with Piper in that scenario. I did say Eddie Gilbert was too small because that dude looked tiny everywhere he worked.

Freebirds work because they're the kind of rock that hates other rock, and they really hate that pop garbage that wimminfolk like Cyndi Lauper represent. Hayes/Hogan is dogshit but I think their styles might play into each other well enough for some good sprints. Gordy replaces Orton because, while I love Ace, Gordy is superior for that role, and Orndorff hanging with the Birds just both works and is ridiculous (much like hanging with Piper and Orton, thinking about it).
 

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Watching my share of the Machines, this gimmick would get over huge in todays wrestling. Bill Eadie pretending to be Japanese giving soft spoken interviews in a slight accent. Blackjack Mulligan contributing by just naming Japanese corporations. I think it was confusing in ‘86, but today the audience would be fully in on the joke.

It was obvious watching their first squash that Andre wasn’t right. The gear hid the back brace, Andre could barely move. His heel run was a bit of a miracle in retrospect.
 
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