I always thought that as well. The Machines didn't get over like the wwf expected because their primarily young audience ( I was 7) didn't get the joke as it was over their heads. You could tell with the build up they thought it was going to get over huge and it just...didn't... at all.
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I wonder if the endless Andre/Studd feud was also part of the reason for the angle not getting over? They had been running the feud since 1983 in the core WWF rotation.
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Any guesses what this show looks like if Mania bombs and this is the final Hail Mary to kickstart the national expansion?
I wonder if the Wrestling Classic is a more standard supercard on PPV if Mania failed? With Mania being a dud, the idea of bimonthly PPVs would certainly be off the table.
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Any guesses what this show looks like if Mania bombs and this is the final Hail Mary to kickstart the national expansion?
I wonder if the Wrestling Classic is a more standard supercard on PPV if Mania failed? With Mania being a dud, the idea of bimonthly PPVs would certainly be off the table.
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The only thing they could run to possibly get the goodwill back is Hogan/Piper, T/Orton, and doing the Orndorff turn. Stack that show. Hell throw Tito/Valentine on that card and Andre/Bundy. A Wrestlemania card. Raise the ticket price just in case, too.
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There is no SNME if WrestleMania bombs. Or it’s buried in a crappy time slot instead of SNL’s spot.
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It's all in how it bombs. If it's one of those "it failed but got buzz" things, then it still gets a shitty slot for maybe three shows (of which two probably make air). If it's a total nosedive, it's all over by the end of 1986 anyway and we just get WWF guys poisoning Crockett into early bankruptcy, with the business becoming a dark pit of niche with no exposure on a national level and none of us are here.
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Listening to the OVP Patreon review of the Boston Garden show with Macho Man winning the IC Title and Bruno/Piper in a cage match and Jesse Ventura is obviously eating while commentating during the main event.
I guess Vince didn’t produce these Boston Garden show cause he totally seems like a misophonia type that would be triggered by that.
I guess Vince didn’t produce these Boston Garden show cause he totally seems like a misophonia type that would be triggered by that.
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DDP is a sub Frenchy Martin level manager if he is around during the Hulkamania era.
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I imagine a lot of him comically overselling one or both of the Bushwhackers biting him in the ass.
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With Vince's love of messing with Verne, it is kind of surprising the WWF didn't swoop up DDP and Bad Company at some point in late 87 to mid 88. DDP left the AWA at some point in the summer to work in Florida and his clubs IIRC. I'm pretty sure he wasn't part of the Superclash build.
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Sad to see the clips of sickly Bobby Heenan w/ M$M and Piper.
Funny to hear of Vince ordering Taylor to wear the Rooster hair in airports.
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I feel like Vince thought very briefly the Rooster would get over, then quickly realized it was a total joke but it was a really funny joke so he made Taylor do things to amuse him in Vince fashion.
Hammer is finally looking old while still looking the same. And he really does look like Mama Fratelli.
Hammer is finally looking old while still looking the same. And he really does look like Mama Fratelli.
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Wild (IMO) house show promo on the latest Wrestling History Hand Grenade pod with Muraco.
He cuts a promo on Butch Reed, but calls him "Bruce" as says "I remember his younger days, on the shows in Kansas City where he was called "Bruce" Reed, when he was just a natural athlete, fresh out of football. I don't know why you want to be called Butch now, Bruce..."
He cuts a promo on Butch Reed, but calls him "Bruce" as says "I remember his younger days, on the shows in Kansas City where he was called "Bruce" Reed, when he was just a natural athlete, fresh out of football. I don't know why you want to be called Butch now, Bruce..."
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I mean…that magazine writer was not wrong in any sense.
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Apparently current right wing radio nut Bill Cunningham was part of broadcasting/promoting these.
WrestleFest III - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – September 6, 1987 (matinee) (4,000)
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Sika defeated Jerry Allen (sub. for Lanny Poffo)
Ron Bass defeated SD Jones
One Man Gang defeated Junkyard Dog
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Killer Khan
Brutus Beefcake defeated Hercules
Paul Orndorff defeated King Kong Bundy in whipping match; Bobby Heenan was handcuffed to Bruno Sammartino
Rick Martel/Tito Santana defeated Islanders
WrestleFest II - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – August 24, 1986 (matinee) att
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Hercules defeated Cousin Luke
Ted Arcidi defeated Rene Goulet
Bob Orton fought Pedro Morales to draw
WWF Women’s Champion Fabulous Moolah defeated Jean Kirkland
IC Champion Randy Savage defeated George Steele by DQ
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Paul Orndorff by DQ
WrestleFest - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – September 2, 1985 (10,368) (matinee)
Lanny Poffo pinned Iron Mike Sharpe
Moondog Spot defeated Steve Lombardi
Junkyard Dog pinned Bob Orton
King Kong Bundy defeated Swede Hanson
Ricky Steamboat defeated Don Muraco by DQ
Davey Boy Smith/Dynamite Kid defeated Bret Hart/Jim Neidhart
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Roddy Piper by DQ at 9:25
WrestleFest III - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – September 6, 1987 (matinee) (4,000)
Wrestlefest III
Sika defeated Jerry Allen (sub. for Lanny Poffo)
Ron Bass defeated SD Jones
One Man Gang defeated Junkyard Dog
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Killer Khan
Brutus Beefcake defeated Hercules
Paul Orndorff defeated King Kong Bundy in whipping match; Bobby Heenan was handcuffed to Bruno Sammartino
Rick Martel/Tito Santana defeated Islanders
WrestleFest II - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – August 24, 1986 (matinee) att
Hercules defeated Cousin Luke
Ted Arcidi defeated Rene Goulet
Bob Orton fought Pedro Morales to draw
WWF Women’s Champion Fabulous Moolah defeated Jean Kirkland
IC Champion Randy Savage defeated George Steele by DQ
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Paul Orndorff by DQ
WrestleFest - Cincinnati, OH – Riverfront Coliseum – September 2, 1985 (10,368) (matinee)
Lanny Poffo pinned Iron Mike Sharpe
Moondog Spot defeated Steve Lombardi
Junkyard Dog pinned Bob Orton
King Kong Bundy defeated Swede Hanson
Ricky Steamboat defeated Don Muraco by DQ
Davey Boy Smith/Dynamite Kid defeated Bret Hart/Jim Neidhart
WWF Champion Hulk Hogan defeated Roddy Piper by DQ at 9:25
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Mooney bucks "Wrestlemania Challenge" to play with WM 4 rosters instead
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Why Ted DiBiase Says Virgil Doesn't Belong In WWE Hall Of Fame - Wrestling Inc.
"The Million Dollar Man" Ted DiBiase shared his thoughts on the WWE Hall of Fame credentials of his former bodyguard Virgil on an episode of his podcast.
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Not sure we've mentioned this when discussing this clip in the past, but Jimmy in a suit is quite unique for a WWF wrestler. Even Flair was flocked in his ring robe more often than not.
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Ironically, I think Garvin was supposed to be a proto Dok Hendrix character. The vaguely heelish counterpart to Mean Gene (or Todd Pettingell in Dok’s case(
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That would've been rough. I guess it's at least slightly better then Bruce Pritchard doing a voice.
Scott Levy should've been brought in much earlier. If he goes to the WWF, he becomes a huge star by 1994 based on roster depletion alone.
Scott Levy should've been brought in much earlier. If he goes to the WWF, he becomes a huge star by 1994 based on roster depletion alone.
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I don’t think Vince would have ever made Scott Levy a top guy or even an IC Title level guy. Especially with what a horrible influence he was on Shane.
Lanny Poffo’s career is his ceiling if Raven has a long term run with WWF.
Lanny Poffo’s career is his ceiling if Raven has a long term run with WWF.
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If he comes to the WWF instead of WCW, he succeeds. He hits the exact moment when the shift happens and they need to rely on smaller guys who can work, and his promos would be invaluable.
There is no way Lanny is the ceiling. Minimum it's Jacques Rougeau, where he's a solid presence that's extremely entertaining.
There is no way Lanny is the ceiling. Minimum it's Jacques Rougeau, where he's a solid presence that's extremely entertaining.
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I'm glad you brought him up, because I was just getting ready to ask about him in the "Old School" thread: I know that Raven is well regarded because of his promos (which I pretty much ignored), and I remember him being decent in the ring, at least when he was working as Scotty Flamingo, but what was the signature Raven and/or Flamingo match? I remember Raven having legendary feuds with Dreamer and Sandman, but my memory is of those feuds being carried by the promo work; I don't remember any of the matches being any good.
I feel like I can just about remember Liger and Pillman carrying Scotty Flamingo a couple of times, but are there even any good "non-gimmick" Raven matches?
I feel like I can just about remember Liger and Pillman carrying Scotty Flamingo a couple of times, but are there even any good "non-gimmick" Raven matches?
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Raven/Stevie vs Pitbulls Double Dog Collar Match and vs Rhino for the Hardcore title at Backlash 2001 are just a few.
He had plenty of non-gimmick signature matches in WCW as well vs DDP, Benoit, Saturn, etc.
He had plenty of non-gimmick signature matches in WCW as well vs DDP, Benoit, Saturn, etc.
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His best Raven work is with Benoit, DDP, and AJ Styles. If it involved Saturn (and doesn't revolve around a mop) it's good stuff too. There's a really fun Polo/Jannetty match as well. It's hard to think about a lot of his ECW stuff because it practically is all about a storyline and less about "workrate," but Raven is someone like Jake or Andre where it isn't always about how hard the work is but how smart a worker he is and the storytelling he's capable of. At least that's why I'm a fan of him.