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I fucking loved Ludvig Borga as a kid and still do now. He looked like a machine sent from the future to kill everything in his path. Awesome punches and a sweet backbreaker. Had he gotten to work with more people (especially Bret) everyone would agree with me.
 

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The two kids popping in the front row at 1:50 makes this moment great... based Luger slamming Yoko (again!)

 

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Apparently Jim Neidhart pitched a finish for Montreal where the Hart Foundation all turn on Bret due to him "abandoning" them for WCW and thus costing Bret the belt. (Per Dean Coles)

If nothing else, that prevents hard feelings for Bret (other than being shunted out regardless) and it sets up Owen vs Shawn to at least be a solid potential main event for IYH in Dec and Feb (I'll let the Taker rumble angle stay).
The WWF might even get a little juice out of Bulldog vs HHH - not only due to the Harts vs DX angle, but if Shawn lays down for HHH to give him the European title, then Bulldog can indignantly call out HHH for being a phony champ and if he wants to be the rep for Europe, he's got to prove himself against England's finest.
 

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I fucking loved Ludvig Borga as a kid and still do now. He looked like a machine sent from the future to kill everything in his path. Awesome punches and a sweet backbreaker. Had he gotten to work with more people (especially Bret) everyone would agree with me.
It's too bad he was a literal neo-Nazi cause he did have some cool ass squash matches.
 

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Ludvig Borga had a tramp stamp that was an arrow pointing to the words "EXIT ONLY" right above his asscrack.

ngl. That's kind of funny in a extremely dumb and wrong way!
 

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Borga's run is kind of interesting. Brought in as a monster heel, teases a feud with Luger, gets injured and is never heard from again.
 

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Apparently, he was a massive pain in the (EXIT ONLY?) ass and I doubt he would've been very long for the World Wrestling Federation even if he didn't suffer the gruesome ankle injury. Presumably, he was gonna give Tatanka his win back at Royal Rumble '94 and I can't imagine he would have been a much more competitive opponent for Earthquake at WMX than Adam Bomb was.

I want to reiterate it's friggin INSANE that WWF hired a dude with Nazi tattoos in 1993 then gave him a main event push. "We'll just cover the tattoos and no one will notice." I guess '93 was one of the last years they maybe could have pulled that off. Enormous YIKES all around.
 

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Scott Levy: Not good enough to be an active wrestler on the 1993 WWF roster
A literal Nazi powerlifter: THAT'S SUCH GOOD SHIT, PAL!

WWE is an anti-Semitic company!

I can imagine Bruce Prichard in my head being "Well Conrad, Ludvig Borga was SUPPOSED to be the heel. You weren't supposed to like him."
"BRUCE! HE WAS A FRIGGIN REAL LIFE NAZI!"
"So? You're supposed to hate him!"
"*sighing in frustration as he wracks his brain to try and figure out how he will be able to segue this into an ad read for PaintMyLife*"
 

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Exactly what percentage of your day is spent on imagining scenarios with Conrad?

Just a ballpark figure is all I’m asking for.
 

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I was always under the impression he was meant to be a Nazi anyway. I mean, dude. A big pasty white blonde haired European with a strong accent is hanging out with the sumo wrestler*. It's pretty clear. But what I saw was a fucking monster, a perfect heel for the top faces of the roster, a guy I wanted to see wreck and get wrecked (eventually). Sometimes you just gotta take in the magic of this shit and not get bogged down by reality, and that goes for literally all escapist media on some level.

Bolded because it needed it.

*"But he was from Polynesia!" dude Borga was from Finland it doesn't matter.
 

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I was always under the impression he was meant to be a Nazi anyway. I mean, dude. A big pasty white blonde haired European with a strong accent is hanging out with the sumo wrestler*. It's pretty clear. But what I saw was a fucking monster, a perfect heel for the top faces of the roster, a guy I wanted to see wreck and get wrecked (eventually). Sometimes you just gotta take in the magic of this shit and not get bogged down by reality, and that goes for literally all escapist media on some level.

Bolded because it needed it.

*"But he was from Polynesia!" dude Borga was from Finland it doesn't matter.

Borga literally fought Capt America!!
 

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I was always under the impression he was meant to be a Nazi anyway. I mean, dude. A big pasty white blonde haired European with a strong accent is hanging out with the sumo wrestler*. It's pretty clear. But what I saw was a fucking monster, a perfect heel for the top faces of the roster, a guy I wanted to see wreck and get wrecked (eventually). Sometimes you just gotta take in the magic of this shit and not get bogged down by reality, and that goes for literally all escapist media on some level.

Bolded because it needed it.

*"But he was from Polynesia!" dude Borga was from Finland it doesn't matter.
I'm not going to shame anyone who is able to find any enjoyment out of '93 WWF. I can acknowledge he was entertaining as hell at times while thinking he probably should have never been hired in the first place.

It's easier knowing that he died a methed out, drunken embarrassment. Superior race, my narrow Irish ass!
 

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Scott Levy: Not good enough to be an active wrestler on the 1993 WWF roster
A literal Nazi powerlifter: THAT'S SUCH GOOD SHIT, PAL!

WWE is an anti-Semitic company!

I can imagine Bruce Prichard in my head being "Well Conrad, Ludvig Borga was SUPPOSED to be the heel. You weren't supposed to like him."
"BRUCE! HE WAS A FRIGGIN REAL LIFE NAZI!"
"So? You're supposed to hate him!"
"*sighing in frustration as he wracks his brain to try and figure out how he will be able to segue this into an ad read for PaintMyLife*"

"He was an asshole"
"He was going to be our Ivan Drago"

To prove Bruce just says things, he both says "The fans were legit scared of Borga" but closes with "He didn't get over"
 

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His 1993 WWF work is really good, too. Breath of fresh air for both him and the company. I'll also die on the hill of JR, Savage, and Heenan being a genuinely great trio.
 

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This is just my opinion and I'm probably the only one who believes this. But I think that starting in 1993 and afterwards until Survivor Series 1997, Bret Hart, Owen Hart, Davey Boy Smith, & Jim Neidhart were really the main people who carried the WWF on their backs as they were the main work horses. I really believe that they carried the company by having probably many of the better matches on TV as well as on PPV. I know that HBK, HHH, Sid, and Undertaker worked hard, too. A lot of other guys worked pretty hard. But I believe that the Hart Foundation carried the majority of the load in the WWF.

But then again, that's only my opinion.
 

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Peppy '93 JR is just weird.

It always just sounds wrong to hear him going over the top to put over Hulk Hogan so hard (HOGAN! HOGAN! HOGAN!) after he'd spend the past half decade (at least) decrying everything WWF stood for. And the most annoying era of Hogan too.

In hindsight it kind of sounded disingenuous to me though. Like it was kinda believable but there was an air of “ok I’ll put him over but only because it’s my job” to it
 

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Tbf to Nailz, it was 2-3 times the attendance in ‘92 compared to ‘91 but maybe it was also wasn’t that much of a difference with currency exchange at the time?
 

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I fucking loved Ludvig Borga as a kid and still do now. He looked like a machine sent from the future to kill everything in his path. Awesome punches and a sweet backbreaker. Had he gotten to work with more people (especially Bret) everyone would agree with me.
his best match was putting over that new kid

 

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Apparently Jim Neidhart pitched a finish for Montreal where the Hart Foundation all turn on Bret due to him "abandoning" them for WCW and thus costing Bret the belt. (Per Dean Coles)

If nothing else, that prevents hard feelings for Bret (other than being shunted out regardless) and it sets up Owen vs Shawn to at least be a solid potential main event for IYH in Dec and Feb (I'll let the Taker rumble angle stay).
The WWF might even get a little juice out of Bulldog vs HHH - not only due to the Harts vs DX angle, but if Shawn lays down for HHH to give him the European title, then Bulldog can indignantly call out HHH for being a phony champ and if he wants to be the rep for Europe, he's got to prove himself against England's finest.
I don't buy any of this for one second as it just doesn't make sense...

DX WERE THE HEELS so how the hell does the Hart Foundation turning on Bret help DX? It just puts over Davey Boy, Jim Neidhart, and Owen and doesn't further any real future angles.

#1: It takes away the whole motivation of OWEN vs. SHAWN... Shawn was gloating he ran Bret out of the WWF and broke up the Hart Foundation. Owen came back to seek revenge on Shawn for what he did and how he/the WWF screwed Bret Hart out of the WWF Title. Simple.
#2: Are DBS/Neidhart/Owen now faces? Heels? As a WWF fan, who cares that they turned on Bret when Bret's now in WCW and can't get revenge on any of them? It's not like DBS/Neidhart can run into a WCW event and beat up Bret either if they're still on WWF TV. It's also zero chance that Shawn or DX would "defend" Bret's honor and have Owen feud with Shawn over that to keep Owen a heel in this scenario while trying to make Shawn/DX into faces.
#3: What do DBS and Neidhart do now? They ran Bret out of the WWF. Do they try to go with an angle where they run other wrestlers out of the WWF? Do they just become heels who gloat how they ran Bret out of the WWF?... okay. Like a Steve Austin or Undertaker or Mankind gives a shit in-character wise. Hell, Austin would be so pissed he wasn't the one that ran Bret out of the WWF.
#4: I can't emphasize this enough, Bret is in WCW. At best, you've now given your audience a legitimate reason to tune into WCW (your mortal enemy) to see what Bret says/how he reacts to his family turning on him and sending him to WCW. I don't buy the WWF fans suddenly cheering the rest of the Hart Foundation and making them faces to then continue the Owen/Shawn, etc. stuff that followed.
 
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