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Idaho, Wyoming, North Dakota, South Dakota, Oklahoma, Kansas, Alabama, Indiana, Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, West Virginia, Nebraska, Arkansas.

WV was blue for the longest time. Kennedy’s father had people down here all over southern WV to make sure his son won. There is a fascinating book about with the title being a direct quote from daddy called, Don’t Buy Another Vote; I Won’t Pay for a Landslide.”

Many, many local elections have Republicans running unopposed in the primaries because there are so few of them. The Democratic primaries will have many choices.

The state has voted Democratic for everything but President until very recently (read: a BLACK man as President??? NO says we!) to the point that Dems typically had the Governor, Senate, and House most years and had 80 years or so of Democratic control. They elected a Democratic Governor last election only for him to turn R after elected.

But these are still uneducated white people we are talking about and quite a bit of them are evangelicals. So the climate has shifted toward straight R even from registered D’s. It is basically the Dixiecrats, only 60 years later. And that is very appropriate for the always-behind-the-times WV.

But coal is still king in the southern half of the state and our legislators make sure it remains that way as it continues to die (highest tonnage extracted/sold was in 1947), so the perfect storm of a black man that was against bowing to coal; a white woman that has killed anyone that walks or crawls that was against bowing to coal; and a snake oil salesman that sold them, well, knock off snake oil at double the price he quoted and only delivered 1/8 the volume. . .that also PUT ON A HARD HAT AT A RALLY AND USED A SHOVELING MOTION TO TELL THEM HE DIGS COAL to turn this state as red as can be for the national level.

But, things are not far from turning back to all blue on the undercard, including Governor.
 

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Imagine simultaneously supporting democracy while also thinking that a vote for Hawkins or Jorgensen is really just a vote for Donnie. That kind of thinking is why searches for third party candidates soared after the debate.
 

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I don't know if you've heard, but this is a two-choice menu. There is no viable third option, and "none of the above" isn't on the table, either. If America got to say, "Fuck both of y'all! Neither one of you get to be president," that's probably what would win. But we don't fucking get to say that.

A protest vote is a vote for Trump. If you think your protest vote doesn't matter, you're relying on your privilege to insulate you; you're relying on everybody else around you to not be entitled pricks, and do the right thing. I'm sure that there were a lot of protest voters in swing states thought the same thing, so you're basically counting on the belief that nothing could possibly happen where you live to turn it into a swing state.

It only takes a little creative gerrymandering and voter suppression to turn a Blue state into a swing state.
 

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I don't know if you've heard, but the electoral college is a thing, and some of us live in states so deeply blue that even directly voting for Trump wouldn't matter to the end result, but voting for Hawkins raises awareness of the platform and, with a greater national stage come 2024, will force the Dems to actually adhere to some more of those alleged progressive policies they claim to champion.

This isn't a protest vote, this is a strategic vote for a party whose candidates actually work for a living and don't accept funding from major corporations to cast aside the wishes of the populace.

You say "a vote for third party is a vote for Trump." GOP supporters say "a vote for third party is a vote for Biden." Weird how they're both wrong, isn't it?
 

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I don't know if you've heard, but the electoral college is a thing, and some of us live in states so deeply blue that even directly voting for Trump wouldn't matter to the end result, but voting for Hawkins raises awareness of the platform...
How'd that work out for Perot, Nader, Stein, et al?

... and, with a greater national stage come 2024, will force the Dems to actually adhere to some more of those alleged progressive policies they claim to champion.
I feel like, if your progressive faves thought that would work, they'd be running third party. I remember AOC once saying that only in America would she and Joe Biden be members of the same party. Well, she doesn't have to be. Neither does Bernie; if he actually thought his supporters were as 'bout it as they say they are, he'd run as an Independent.
 

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Vote shaming doesn’t make anyone feel good about the democratic process. Spend some time phone or text banking for Biden instead of tsk tsking Howie Hawkins voters.

and a Jorgensen voter probably already has a TBI and it is not nice to get mad at a disabled person.
 

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How'd that work out for Perot, Nader, Stein, et al?
Considering some of their key policies changed the platform of the two big establishment parties, I'd say fairly decent.

How're Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry doing?

I feel like, if your progressive faves thought that would work, they'd be running third party. I remember AOC once saying that only in America would she and Joe Biden be members of the same party. Well, she doesn't have to be. Neither does Bernie; if he actually thought his supporters were as 'bout it as they say they are, he'd run as an Independent.
Ah, the old "if everybody jumped off a bridge" logic.
 

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I am going to rank Biden #1 btw not because I love him as a candidate and think he will be a great POTUS but cause I think it is the most effective way to repudiate and eradicate Trumpism at the ballot box.

I will be doing so angrily cause of the neoliberal bully class of therealtsm.com caused me to betray the Green Party! ;)
 

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Considering some of their key policies changed the platform of the two big establishment parties, I'd say fairly decent.

How're Mondale, Dukakis, and Kerry doing?
Mondale? Dukakis? I'm not that fucking old.

Ah, the old "if everybody jumped off a bridge" logic.
Sure, asking why people who hate the Democratic party, but want access to all the Democratic party's resources don't run without the promise of those resources, if they believe in their support so much is totally an "everybody jumped off a bridge" argument. Okay.
 

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So your argument in Biden's favor is "otherwise Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz, and the rest of the Dem establishment will suppress your nomination"? Or is it more "if you disagree then why are you using our money when we've rigged the election process by requiring millions of dollars to run"?
 

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John Kerry went on to be the Secretary of State and help negotiate a landmark treaty (which yeah trump dismantled but still). So he landed on his feet!

At least the green party didn't choose an anti-semite as a VP this time. Small steps.

Obviously people have the right to vote for whoever they want (EVEN TRUMP!) but if you publicly talk about it then people are going to express their own opinion on it. In a culture where the most common opinion is that a person's vote doesn't even matter I think i'd rather see people getting super riled up over what party everyone is voting for.
 

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The only president I recognize.
 

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So your argument in Biden's favor is "otherwise Pelosi, Wasserman-Schultz, and the rest of the Dem establishment will suppress your nomination"? Or is it more "if you disagree then why are you using our money when we've rigged the election process by requiring millions of dollars to run"?
My argument in Biden's favor is, "At least I know he can be pushed further to the left. Trump can't be pushed, at all."
 

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