Election Day 2024: Countdown to Extinction

[snuffbox]

I would guess that a part of that, at least, are the numbers of people who claim to not want maga policies again, not want more trump Supreme Court justices, not want to "finish the job" in Gaza, but are, due to their feelings of privilege and deficit of empathy, ok with it. And, with that, are comfortable with making those kinds of wildly dishonest rationalizations.

 

[909]

The reason I said race isn't really a factor in this is that Trump gained amongst every single demographic except white people, who support him less than they ever previously did.

Our transition to a two income society has been a complete failure. That's the biggest reason this happened. It's fucking hard to make it on one income and almost everyone wishes it were different.

There's also something to be said for liberal administrators making college so expensive that nobody can pay for it, which led to uneducated people voting for a fuckin moron

 

[geniusMoment]

At the end of the day she just couldn't overcome my biggest fear: inflation/the economy.

Look at past elections. Jimmy Carter got killed by inflation. Bush 1 got killed by a recession. Bush 2 left office in a recession and his party was destroyed that election.

The sitting president (and their associated) party that overseas a period of recession/inflation is a virtual lock to lose. I thought this time might be different because Trump is so polarizing and stupid. But, all the indentity politics stuff just isn't nearly as important to people as the economy.

 

[tekcop]

There are a lot of stories that can be told that do and don't fit my worldview. I definitely ascribe to the inflation argument here. But honestly, Biden was just historical levels of unpopular for good and bad reasons and Kamala was seen as more of the same.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854173500170174718

 

[snuffbox]

If only she would've campaigned in Wisconsin

 

[Fall of Epic]

2024 presidential election marks closest New York has come to turning red in 30 years as Trump support surges in NYC

Trump’s support has steadily grown stronger across his three presidential campaigns — with support soaring this year in the Bronx, Manhattan and Queens.

nypost.com

I think I'm gonna be sick.

 

[Sex Machine Gun]

When she sounded like she was dodging direct questions about economic policy she was sunk.

 

[Gary]

There are a lot of stories that can be told that do and don't fit my worldview. I definitely ascribe to the inflation argument here. But honestly, Biden was just historical levels of unpopular for good and bad reasons and Kamala was seen as more of the same.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854173500170174718

Real talk: the man is one of the biggest lame duck presidents of all time.

 

[tekcop]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854232090075660367

Oh my god. Trash it. In the dumpster. The whole thing.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854232090075660367

Oh my god. Trash it. In the dumpster. The whole thing.

Van Jones is the kind of person where bullying is the most justified response. Also, did he cry last night?

 

[Valeyard]

So I've spent most of today trying not to take out the anger on those undeserving. I'm not surprised but am ridiculously horrified. Parts of the neighborhood are still boarded up in fear, but fuck that.

I should just start that micronation I've always wanted.

 

[Incandenza]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854232090075660367

Oh my god. Trash it. In the dumpster. The whole thing.

A nice moment for me reading Ta-Nehisi Coates's new book and hitting the Palestine section today and yesterday

 

[snuffbox]

Trump is going to get Netanyahu to stop hitting the Palestinians. That's what his public declaration of desire to let Bibi "finish the job in Gaza" meant. Or something?

I guess I still haven't had enough concussions and/or long covid to think (if that's the right word) for the Stein protest-vote types.

 

[Incandenza]

Interesting. I voted for Harris while living in a red state. I didn't have to do that, and indeed, it wouldn't have mattered in the long run, but thank you for that anyway, snuffbox.

 

[Incandenza]

Does anyone know where I can find some posts informing the reader it's the media's responsibility and not the Democratic party to get people to vote for Democrats?

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854160590232523168

This was not a progressive campaign. Obama probably ran the most progressive campaign of any recent Dem candidate because of his promises on healthcare. I think Harris did a mostly good job given the circumstances but this was a centerist campaign. She had every Republican endorsement she could get. She had Liz Cheney out there night after night. She was openly campaigning on the fact DICK CHENEY was endorsing her. The campaign went out of the way to publicize the hundreds of former Trump admin officials that were with them now.

Where were the progressive policies? Harris was sunk because she was tied to Biden and the economy. It's all there in the exit polls.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

I engaged in way too much wishful thinking for this election when I thought Harris would win. I own how wrong I was. I don't know what the solution is but I'm increasingly thinking it isn't with the Democratic party, or any of the third parties that exist now.

The world was 2 inches off.

 

[909]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854284894798500309

 

[Incandenza]

Progressive policies are still popular but one of the two major political parties in this country, the one more likely to run with them, doesn't give a shit. We can still make things "right" ("right" as in correct, not as in "right wing"), but it would require a major overhaul in how that one party operates.

 

[Incandenza]

It's almost as if we have on this very board an apologist for the "good" party and that we shouldn't care about how much the "good" party continually fails the disadvantaged/oppressed simply because the other party would make it even worse.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Progressive policies are still popular but one of the two major political parties in this country, the one more likely to run with them, doesn't give a shit. We can still make things "right" ("right" as in correct, not as in "right wing"), but it would require a major overhaul in how that one party operates.

Yeah I just don't see that happening with them although maybe I just can't see past the fog. Maybe things just have to keep getting worse and there will finally be a breaking point. It took the Great Depression to get FDR. I don't want to see that kind of suffering obviously but some huge change is needed.

And it isn't just America. We see this kind of complacency all over the place. The Libs in Canada are another big example.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854289160305250433

oh we gonna have it out now

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

:: sighs in Negrotude ::

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1854044137542058127

2024 US elections takeaways: how female voters broke for Harris and Trump

Preliminary exit polling shows Harris won female voters, but in smaller numbers than her Democratic predecessors

www.theguardian.com

White people moved towards Harris. "Instead, over the last 72 years, a plurality of white women have voted for the Democratic candidate only twice, in 1964 and 1996. On Tuesday, they once again went for Trump – just as they did in 2016 and 2020. But Harris made inroads with the group; she lost them by only 5 points, according to CNN. (In 2020, they broke for Trump by 11.) More surprisingly, Trump’s lead among white men also shrank, from 23 points in 2020 to 20 in 2024."

Trump gained with Black and Latino voters:
Harris underperformed with voters of color − particularly Latino voters − but also Black voters in urban centers such as Philadelphia, Detroit and Milwaukee. Harris carried Black voters 86%-12% and Latino voters 53%-45%, according to CNN exit polls. But in the 2020 election, Biden won Black voters by a wider 92%-8% margin over Trump, and Latino voters 65%-32%.

 

[snuffbox]

There's something to the Joy Reid remark in the above twit.

A big part of this does go back to the 1980s and the ways that Trump used to attain fame. He knew that being given a lot of stuff wasn't enough for what he really sought. His gameplan was to, as Charley Steiner and others describe in the 30x30 episode about the USFL, get himself on the sports page, and then the gossip page, and then onto the front page. He wanted an NFL team but settled for a USFL team and then was the leader on the mistakes that doomed that alternative league. He pushed for a rapid expansion of teams (for money) and a fall schedule (for attention). Two Wrestlemanias and a lot of big boxing matches followed at the Atlantic City casinos he bamboozled his way into owning. More attention. And, of course, he's such a dipshit he bankrupted those casinos in a town where people fly in to literally give you their money.

He deliberately had public and affairs and messy divorces to get on the gossip pages and, more importantly, the cover of supermarket checkout aisle tabloids. The folks who voted for him (no, they do not need nor do they deserve defense or pretzel-like contortions to rationalize) believe in those magazines and they're ones most likely to see them by doing their own shopping.

It wasn't a thing in the 80s so it wasn't part of that effort but, once it became part of America, he jumped right into reality tv. Other than the tabloids, and maybe sports, there's nothing more effective with this large, sweeping demographic than reality television.

He homed in on the dumbest aspects of the biggest demographic and it has served him well. I find it an embarrassing reality about Americans.

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

Progressive policies are still popular but one of the two major political parties in this country, the one more likely to run with them, doesn't give a shit. We can still make things "right" ("right" as in correct, not as in "right wing"), but it would require a major overhaul in how that one party operates.

Careful. We were mocked for saying this same thing 8 years ago.

 

[Valeyard]

More people should've watched The Dead Zone.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Careful. We were mocked for saying this same thing 8 years ago.

we (I can't remember if I did it) were wrong.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

There's something to the Joy Reid remark in the above twit.

A big part of this does go back to the 1980s and the ways that Trump used to attain fame. He knew that being given a lot of stuff wasn't enough for what he really sought. His gameplan was to, as Charley Steiner and others describe in the 30x30 episode about the USFL, get himself on the sports page, and then the gossip page, and then onto the front page. He wanted an NFL team but settled for a USFL team and then was the leader on the mistakes that doomed that alternative league. He pushed for a rapid expansion of teams (for money) and a fall schedule (for attention). Two Wrestlemanias and a lot of big boxing matches followed at the Atlantic City casinos he bamboozled his way into owning. More attention. And, of course, he's such a dipshit he bankrupted those casinos in a town where people fly in to literally give you their money.

He deliberately had public and affairs and messy divorces to get on the gossip pages and, more importantly, the cover of supermarket checkout aisle tabloids. The folks who voted for him (no, they do not need nor do they deserve defense or pretzel-like contortions to rationalize) believe in those magazines and they're ones most likely to see them by doing their own shopping.

It wasn't a thing in the 80s so it wasn't part of that effort but, once it became part of America, he jumped right into reality tv. Other than the tabloids, and maybe sports, there's nothing more effective with this large, sweeping demographic than reality television.

He homed in on the dumbest aspects of the biggest demographic and it has served him well. I find it an embarrassing reality about Americans.

Joy Reid is an out of touch elitist. Shitting on people for the entertainment they like is the exact kind of thing that drives people away. It's also completely untrue as wrestling fans and wrestlers have been skewing more and more left wing for a long time.

 

[Valeyard]

Harris brings Foley out at the DNC, shit changes.

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

we (I can't remember if I did it) were wrong.

I think that's the angle the Dems need to come from in 2028. Target the working class, return to being the PRO-WORKER party. Be the political party that wants to help the American worker get to work and get paid their fair share and be treated with some fucking dignity again.