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Election Day 2024: Countdown to Extinction
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That's why I didn't blame it on wrestling and, instead, wrote about other things that, while Reid missed her mark, were brought to mind and did actually happen.
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But that's not the base they want. They want college educated PMCs and suburbanites with $4000/month mortgages.
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Can I become the Alex Jones of the lefties and grift for the next 4 years.
"Our little secret..."
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Go for it man, people are so dumb you'd actually probably make a decent living out of it.
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im sorry but which party actually throws their support, monetarily and politically behind unions? I’m tired of hearing this shit because there’s only so much they could do for WORKERS that republicans don’t even come close to. West Virginia for example, democrats threw support for their pensions, wanted to help pay for all their black lungs, and all those fucking morons will still vote against their own self interest.
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It’s not complicated. These people love Trump and want to be Trump. He represents everything they strive to be. That’s it. All this worker shit, economy, eggs, blah blah blah. It doesn’t matter. They’re on fucking welfare and need their social security and they’re voting to gut it. Because if Trump does it, oh well! Enough of this hand holding.
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And it’s not just those parts of the country. Latinos are another group of freaking idiots. There’s this cognitive dissonance where they can’t fathom anything touching them until it fucking does. There’s people with undocumented family members who think Trump will spare them because they’re one of the good ones. It’s ridiculous, all this shit is fucking stupid.
I think you are right about a number of things here BZ but I also think this came down to the economy more than Trump love. People blame Biden and the Dems for the economy and either believe Trump will fix it or just want to punish the Dems.
She tried to cater to right wingers who hate Democrats. That’s a big problem with all the shit that happened here
If she would've went as hard campaigning for the working class instead of Republicans that don't like Trump, we probably would be looking at a different outcome. I don't give a shit about the Cheneys, GWB, Former Trumpers I barely remember, or other fossils of the Republican party's vote. It was absolutely embarrassing how proud they were that they got Dick Cheney's vote or that Liz Cheney was stumping for them.
It's always tough when the people you look towards for solidarity wind up begging for the approval of the people you hated when you were younger. There's a distinct betrayal there.
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And the rest of Appalachia? Especially the parts that are going to need years to recover from the recent hurricanes? The parts where Dems have regulalry brow-beaten the locals over who gets to use which shitter instead of listening to their more pressing issues?
"We'll work to keep your pensions" doesn't ring as loudly as "we're going to cut taxes so your paycheck is bigger." Pensions don't mean shit when you can't afford groceries.
Mind, I do agree with you. There's a constant wave of voting against one's self-interest that aids the GOP. So many have bought into the cult mentality and it's going to be extremely difficult (if not fucking impossible) to shake that mindset, but you aren't going to get it done by spouting off about how anyone not in lockstep with issues that directly affect ~1% of the population (trans rights) are "garbage."
Is it true that being anti-trans makes you a bigoted asshole? Well, yeah. No shit. But calling someone a bigoted asshole isn't going to get them on your side, not unless you're offering them something else.
...which is a fucking discussion we had 8 years ago. When this very thing happened last time.
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Trump officially has won every single swing state. He lost all of them in 2020 with the exception of NC.
The sting, the sting.
The sting, the sting.
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There were real economic improvements during the Biden years but at the same time most average people didn't feel them and every election is about feelings. You can't just tell people "no guys thing are actually really doing pretty good" when food prices and gas are fucking them and 78% of Americans are living paycheck to Paycheck which even if it's a exaggeration is still hugely alarming.
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I mean, it's what Republicans do when they're in office: "no guys, things are actually historically great."
Considering Trump didn't talk about any policy to get us to where we need to be at a faster pace, other than tariffs that might destroy the economy, it's pretty clear that once again we are treating people and parties on a curve.
Considering Trump didn't talk about any policy to get us to where we need to be at a faster pace, other than tariffs that might destroy the economy, it's pretty clear that once again we are treating people and parties on a curve.
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I agree about the parties, as well as the people, being treated on a curve. That Trump has been treated differently than Clinton, Biden, and Harris is such a clear and blatant thing that I think the denial of that can only be seen as willful. And the parties have been getting this disparate treatment since at least the W Bush era, with some happening at least as far back as Nixon's reelection campaign in 1972.
Big Papa Paegan
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Welcome to the reality of US politics. It isn't about results or even policy, it's about optics. That's one example of how the political machine is proudly hand-in-hand with the corporate machine.
As CWM said, the economy being better in 2024 than it was in 2020 wasn't felt by the average person, and the unfortunate effect (massive understatement) is that Biden/Harris were blamed due to being in office as the recovery wore on...which is a bullshit reason, but we don't exactly live in an age where bullshit reasons don't carry most of the weight.
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Of course the two parties are treated differently. There's a lot of reasons for it and it's very frustrating but at the end of the day the Democrats let it happen by not changing how they operate. They refuse to adapt and still think this is 2004 if not earlier. The GOP runs circles around them and they yell about it not being fair. No it isn't. Do something about it. Politics is a dirty fucking business.
Until the Dems wake up and realize they're going to have to get down in the mud and get dirty, engage people on equal terms, etc things aren't going to really improve.
Until the Dems wake up and realize they're going to have to get down in the mud and get dirty, engage people on equal terms, etc things aren't going to really improve.
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How should Democrats approach elections? I'm not sure what people are saying now. Because if they're too mean or elitist, they push people away. If they are reaching across the aisle, they're too soft and naive. Right now I'm reading both things.
We have people openly saying on television that they voted for Trump because women belong in the kitchen. We have people blaming Biden for COVID shut downs when he wasn't even in office. It's not about framing shit because people will make up with their own reality. What's the plan to "court" these people?
We have people openly saying on television that they voted for Trump because women belong in the kitchen. We have people blaming Biden for COVID shut downs when he wasn't even in office. It's not about framing shit because people will make up with their own reality. What's the plan to "court" these people?
Big Papa Paegan
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Get funny with it, get fucking ruthless, and don't rely on Jon Stewart coming out of retirement to handle it for you.
Remember the 2012 VP debate, when Biden was mocking Paul Ryan by throwing his hands up at incredulous claims, rolling his eyes, scoffing, and other general "check out thisguy" behavior? Use that. It brought on ridicule by the Fox talking heads, but it was shut down quick by millions of sarcastic assholes that were on the side of Obama and thought R-Money was a dickhead.
We were talking last night about what the ideal Dem candidate in 2028 would be. Without going into look or gimmick (I hate pulling a Brody here, but he's not wrong with the equation), you get someone who responds to that with "why are you afraid of your wife having a job, are you a pussy?"
Trans rights and other LGBTQIA+ issues? "Why are you focusing on someone's dick?"
It's crass, it's lowbrow, and it's "beneath" the average Dem target voter...but it's exactly the kind of thing that will resonate with the folks that didn't turn up, the folks on the fence, and the folks that are just doing it because of memes.
There's also another issue that regularly goes unnoticed, and that's focusing on smaller and more local elections. You can't underestimate how incredible the GOP is at DIY, grassroots campaigns. That's been their bread and butter since the rise of the Teabaggers. A key difference in policy approach between the Dems and the GOP is how they view trickle-down ideas, with the Dems using trickle-down social change and the GOP using trickle-down economic plans.
Neither of them work all that well. You don't build a house by starting with the roof, so why do you think social changes will happen by starting it at the top?
It always surprises me how the Dems basically have the support of so many that are active within DIY communities - music (hip hop, punk, indie rock), art, etc. - and lack the understanding of how to mobilize on local levels to build support for higher offices.
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