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Election Day 2024: Countdown to Extinction

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Get funny with it, get fucking ruthless, and don't rely on Jon Stewart coming out of retirement to handle it for you.

Remember the 2012 VP debate, when Biden was mocking Paul Ryan by throwing his hands up at incredulous claims, rolling his eyes, scoffing, and other general "check out thisguy" behavior? Use that. It brought on ridicule by the Fox talking heads, but it was shut down quick by millions of sarcastic assholes that were on the side of Obama and thought R-Money was a dickhead.

We were talking last night about what the ideal Dem candidate in 2028 would be. Without going into look or gimmick (I hate pulling a Brody here, but he's not wrong with the equation), you get someone who responds to that with "why are you afraid of your wife having a job, are you a pussy?"

Trans rights and other LGBTQIA+ issues? "Why are you focusing on someone's dick?"

It's crass, it's lowbrow, and it's "beneath" the average Dem target voter...but it's exactly the kind of thing that will resonate with the folks that didn't turn up, the folks on the fence, and the folks that are just doing it because of memes.
That's the funny thing IMO-they started out doing things like this, and it worked. For years, I think people in and out of the party have wanted someone to point out not just how weird, but how fucking annoying these guys are. Then they started listening to people in Biden's administration/palling around with Liz Cheney, and there was no return.
 

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Didn't Harris pick a running mate who was calling these assholes out for being weird and during the campaign called out Musk for "skipping around like a dipshit"?
 

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Yes. And he felt underutilized.

Walz should be pushed HARD until at least 2026. The man carries the "your favorite uncle" vibe and has a lot of the "shoot from the hip" attitude that's clearly worked.
 

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The comments give a solid breakdown of reasoning but I'm going with my tin foil hat approach
Yes. And he felt underutilized.

Walz should be pushed HARD until at least 2026. The man carries the "your favorite uncle" vibe and has a lot of the "shoot from the hip" attitude that's clearly worked.
The Tampon Tim stuff took hold of the Trans boogieman issues that were pushed hard by the GOP. Walz did "ok" at best in the debate.
Some Righties kept sharing videos of his arms waving at rallies and tried to say he was an weirdo meanwhile Orange Man was jerking off ghosts to the YMCA nightly.
 
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Walz was neutered hard for about half the campaign to the point it became a minor news story. Also one person in the entire Dem campaign going after the GOP hard doesn't really amount to much. We aren't talking about a Walz or a Pete here. We're talking about a party wide shift in how they approach politics.
 

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Walz campaigned heavily every day. So did many others. Obama made a dick size joke at the DNC. Etc.
 

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Walz stopped saying making the cracks for a significant stretch. It was literally a news story. Obama last I checked is not in office. You are pointing to one or two people. I'm talking about a complete shift. What the Democrats do during 2 months of campaigning doesn't mean jack shit compared to the rest of the 4 years.

At the same time as all of these isolated jokes they were trotting out the Cheneys and begging for GOP votes. Harris was saying she would change nothing about her time in the Biden admin. They lost ground with every voting group except white people and college graduates. They clearly need to change their approach.
 

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What do you suggest, specifically? And, if you get what you want and that still doesn't work, will just demand another 'change'?
 

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This was the third time since Reagan that the GOP won a popular vote, so I'm not going to subscribe to the idea that there's been failing again and again. I maintain that the both sides and sanewashing, indeed a propping up on Trump, by the media is a thing and plays an outsized role. Like others, I maintain that the Democratic party has been the party of workers, of farmers, of humans. I do, absolutely, think that misogyny and racism played a key role in this, and will continue to be a big, and detrimental, thing for a very long time. Harris took into account all the excuses about Hillary Clinton and it didn't matter because those things never mattered. It wasn't that Clinton didn't campaign in Wisconsin, it was because Clinton is a woman.

People who claim to want freedom, progress, etc pissing into the tent has never and will never help.

Insisting on media change will. The long game (like done at a state level in Wisconsin to reverse the gerrymander) is required. Flip statehouses. Win back House and Senate seats. Stop attacking women and people who don't look, live, and love like what the GOP says they're supposed to. Be less online and more in life. Do more than blame and talk, especially at a local level. I believe that building people up is still better than burning it down even when the mood is dark and the anger, righteous or misplaced, is palpable.
 

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That's a great inspirational poster but it doesn't reflect the world we live in. This is about more than sexism or racism. Harris did worse with women and minorities than Hillary or Biden. People want someone who is angry because THEY are angry.

I (and others) have already said what we want to see the Dems do instead of what they have been doing. Some of us like Laz have been saying it for a decade. The fact the Dems have won the popular vote so many times only makes there complete ineffectuality stand out more.
 

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Walz, after four years of whatever shit happens, is gonna be the best. I like the nice guy dad vibe but I really want the dad who runs into the father of the kid who bullied his youngest at the bar after work.
 

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Walz, after four years of whatever shit happens, is gonna be the best. I like the nice guy dad vibe but I really want the dad who runs into the father of the kid who bullied his youngest at the bar after work.
Minnesota is a blue state and it was 1 am before they news could even call it safe for the Democrats.
 

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It's a good thing he wasn't running for president in 2028 then.
 

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Yeah, Walz is going to have a hard time just getting reelected in Minnesota. His former congressional district was a blowout win for a maga incumbent.
 

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Walz AND Jesse Ventura couldn't turn Minnesota blue.

Ventura is seen as a joke in MN politics from what I understand (the rassler who decided to run and had a lame duck single term).
 

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Walz AND Jesse Ventura couldn't turn Minnesota blue.

Ventura is seen as a joke in MN politics from what I understand (the rassler who decided to run and had a lame duck single term).
I was reading up on this last week. His first half saw him listening to experts and letting their opinions guide his decisions, then he got it into his head that HE was the smart one and floundered.
Like others, I maintain that the Democratic party has been the party of workers, of farmers, of humans.
In terms of actual policy? Yes, overall. In terms of presentation? No. And thinking otherwise is telling me you aren't among two of those groups.
I do, absolutely, think that misogyny and racism played a key role in this, and will continue to be a big, and detrimental, thing for a very long time.
Misogyny? 100%, and confirmed when you have someone interviewed on national television who outright says "a woman's place is in the kitchen."

The racism part is a little harder to define, because while the most vocal racists voted red, as they have for decades? There's a different kind of racism presented by status quo Dems and perpetuated by the terminally online left. If that wasn't the case, then we'll need a damn better explanation for why Trump got so many votes from non-white voters.
 

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I mean, if you're convinced that Trump and tariffs and Republican policies are better for people who work, at this point, it just has to be an agree to disagree thing. I'm just not buying it.
 

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Trump (and to a lesser extent Elon) is excellent in making people drink their Kool-Aid. Elon even said it himself at a rally that people are going to experience hardship with these tarriif policies but that they'll eventually come out on top. The problem is the second part will never happen but since they said it, they eat it all up.
 

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I mean, if you're convinced that Trump and tariffs and Republican policies are better for people who work, at this point, it just has to be an agree to disagree thing. I'm just not buying it.
Literally never said that once, but if you don't understand how someone doesn't want somebody to talk down to them at all times then expect more of what just happened.
 

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Oh my god. Trash it. In the dumpster. The whole thing.
If I may quote this again-who is CNN even for now? They aren't the worst cable news channel (we know the answers to that), but outside of maybe moderates whose line of thinking is becoming increasingly unpopular, who actually likes them? Fox News and MSNBC have, among other things, basically turned boomers even more annoying than they used to be (the main reason I left Facebook is that I got tired of my feed being bombarded by Fox News clips and Occupy Democrats memes), whereas I can't think of a cultural impact CNN has had in God knows how long.
 
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