Michael Jackson Passes Away

[Mattdotcom]

"the first 10 years of my life was where Jackson was larger than life"

Once he turned eleven, it took a lot of Jesus Juice to get MJ going.

Come on, it was right there staring you all in the face.

 

[Mazto]

Yeah, but don't you live in Utah?

Exactly, so if my coworkers have heard of it, it's more likely that the person is on the cusp of being a cross-culture phenomenon. I did some polling (I asked about ten people) and only three people recognized the name Jay-Z, and only two of them knew he was involved in music. The other confused him with Ice T, which made me laugh.

 

[BUTT]

I think Jay-Z only got the "best rapper alive" reputation because he said he was. That's really all it takes these days.

 

[Big Green]

Could Generation Y go down in history as the worst pop culture generation ever?

The 2000s pale in comparison to the 90s which pales FAR in comparison to the 80s.

 

[bps21]

Music has been getting worse for decades, so the 00's kids need only wait a decade when the 10's take the crown.

 

[KOAB]

Well, there's the whole as you grow older you hate whatever new comes out theory... but this generation would really suck without internet access to look back on other entertainment/musical/etc. standards from past generations.

I believe that was the whole argument we were having in another thread on why this generation could actually be the best... in a way.

 

[bps21]

Maybe music doesn't actually suck any more or less than it used to...but I think what's POPULAR sucks more now than ever.

You've got stuff like the Stones and the Who and then stuff like Zeppelin, and then you get your GNR and Metallica... And we were going along alright... And then Nirvana came... and ok... then Creed and Limp Bizkit... uh-oh... Nickelback.

That's exactly how it happened.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

I used to be 'with it', but then they changed what 'it' was. Now what I'm with isn't 'it', and what's 'it' seems weird and scary.

 

[Youth N Asia]

I wouldn't say Jay-Z for this generation. Maybe a group like Outkast. What Elvis, The Beatles, and Michael did were get fans of all different walks of life and musical tastes into their stuff. Outkast has crossed over better with fans of all kinds of music better than Jay has.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

Maybe music doesn't actually suck any more or less than it used to...but I think what's POPULAR sucks more now than ever.

You've got stuff like the Stones and the Who and then stuff like Zeppelin, and then you get your GNR and Metallica... And we were going along alright... And then Nirvana came... and ok... then Creed and Limp Bizkit... uh-oh... Nickelback.

That's exactly how it happened.

Well, I think it's hard to say just Creed and Limp Bizkit were popular if you're talking say '95-'98 or so. You also had the Foo Fighters, Korn, The Smashing Pumpkins, Dave Matthews Band, and Oasis as just a handful of more relevant mid to late 90's pop culture representations of music.

Generation Y will probably be known for the sheer mass of comet like appearances and disappearances in terms of chart toppers: Barenaked Ladies, Blur, Goo Goo Dolls, Semisonic, Sister Hazel, and Third Eye Blind were all briefly up there as known rock bands. That's not including Disturbed, Linkin Park, Slipknot, and others in the "metal" scene.

And none of this is even touching on the female rock folk singer types (Morissette, McLachlan, Amos, Apple), boy band/teen girl pop, and hip hop stuff.

 

[CBright7831]

Seeing this current generation dancing to Lollipop by Lil Wayne when they are in there 30s-40s will be hilarious.

 

[The Coat Is My Father]

Could Generation Y go down in history as the worst pop culture generation ever?

The 2000s pale in comparison to the 90s which pales FAR in comparison to the 80s.

Maybe music doesn't actually suck any more or less than it used to...but I think what's POPULAR sucks more now than ever.

You've got stuff like the Stones and the Who and then stuff like Zeppelin, and then you get your GNR and Metallica... And we were going along alright... And then Nirvana came... and ok... then Creed and Limp Bizkit... uh-oh... Nickelback.

That's exactly how it happened.

facepalm

 

[Sesquipedaliantique]

You've all completely given up on living in the moment despite only being in your twenties. That's really pathetic.

 

[Perfxion]

Funny thing is people here only think of the good from the earlier Decades. While the 80s did have some good music, Michael Jackson and Prince, it also had Wang Chung and Men At Work. So it goes both ways, while there is good in every decade, there is a slew of crap everywhere. Its just that the crap gets forgotten as time goes on and only the good remains. Generation Y suffers from the fact that unlike Gen X or Baby Boomer's the underground and indy scene is just as mainstream as the pop that is the mainstream on top. So everything gets a short attention span. It used to be Casey Casim's top 40 to know what was big. Now, 2000 websites will list it for you. Plus with iTunes and other music sites; MTV, VH1, BET, Fuse, ect do not have to show videos for content. Because people can and will get their music elsewhere.

Doesn't help that back in the day one or two good songs will sell a whole record. Since people would buy albums not singles. Now with P2P and itunes, people will pick and choose what they want so albums with a couple of tracks will sell poorly. But they will have that hit single. In perfect example: "Crank That" Solja Boy.

 

[atticus Chaos]

These are pictures of Joe Jackson a few hours after his son died, he sure looks sad, doesn't he?

I'm not excusing Jackson, or any of his crazy behaviour, but from everything I've heard about his father, it's not a shock he ended up the way he did (he claimed his dad spent most of his childhood taunting him about his "big nose" and we all know how that turned out...)

 

[SFH]

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[Big Green]

Could Generation Y go down in history as the worst pop culture generation ever?

The 2000s pale in comparison to the 90s which pales FAR in comparison to the 80s.

Maybe music doesn't actually suck any more or less than it used to...but I think what's POPULAR sucks more now than ever.

You've got stuff like the Stones and the Who and then stuff like Zeppelin, and then you get your GNR and Metallica... And we were going along alright... And then Nirvana came... and ok... then Creed and Limp Bizkit... uh-oh... Nickelback.

That's exactly how it happened.

facepalm

It's a valid complaint. The current generation disposes of its artists too quickly to have a definitive ICON like Elvis or Michael Jackson.

Of course, one could make an argument for Britney Spears as the icon of Generation Y.

 

[Perfxion]

I think the biggest artist of Generation Y will have to be Mariah Carey. Biggest female artist ever and 1 ok to good album away from most number 1 singles of all time. Two shy of tying the Beatles record).

 

[still fly]

How is it Mariah Carey? Her biggest success was in the early 90s to mid 90s, when Generation Y were either little kids or not even born yet. She's a Gen X artist

Generation Y's seminal artist had to been big around the turn of the millennium. That's when most of Generation Y were coming of age. The boy band craze has be part of the discussion, as well as Eminem. Think of artists that were big from 1998-present.

 

[Precious Roy]

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

For a while, I thought Kanye West would be that guy but I think he's became too divisive of a figure to be "the voice of a generation" and the fact that virtually everybody I know (outside of this board and one other dude...and myself) hated 808s and Heartbreak doesn't help.

 

[Perfxion]

Kanye is too polarizing. And Eminem's songs of dick jokes and raping his mother does not hold up over time.

If you want someone big from 1998 onward:
Musically, Jay-Z. Most number of hit songs and consistent level of work in this era
Biggest band in terms of record sells: Linkin Park. Hate all you want, they sell a shitload of music. And are the poster child of the emo/Nu-metal genres of music. They have outsold the Jackson 5 and look how many big hits that group had.
Mainstream press doing breaking news stories for them taking a crap: Britney Spears.

 

[devo]

They have outsold the Jackson 5 and look how many big hits that group had.

That's hardly a fair comparision considering how different music-buying habits are between the times of the two respective groups.

 

[Czech]

There isn't one. Stop.

 

[Perfxion]

I am more using the line in the sand of that J5 sold a little over 100 million albums world wide. LP has sold 150 million world wide in a short time span. That is all. J5 is 100% better of the two groups. But in terms market appeal and sales, LP is the biggest band in Generation Y.

 

[Smues]

Truly the voice of MY generation.

 

[Sesquipedaliantique]

Stop treating Michael's death as if he was Cancer Marney!

 

[The Coat Is My Father]

The current generation disposes of its artists too quickly to have a definitive ICON like Elvis or Michael Jackson.

That's not what any of the posts I quoted said, you idiot.

And you're the hot shit Ivy Leaguer? Almost every post of your's I've read has been either laughably uninformed or downright inane.

 

[Big Green]

The current generation disposes of its artists too quickly to have a definitive ICON like Elvis or Michael Jackson.

That's not what any of the posts I quoted said, you idiot.

And you're the hot shit Ivy Leaguer? Almost every post of your's I've read has been either laughably uninformed or downright inane.

Fuck you

So as to not make you look like a complete idiot, the quoted post included comments about the deterioration of mainstream music. I followed up by stating yet another reason for why a Jackson/Presley/Beatles type does not currently exist.

Laughably uninformed or downright inane? You take message boarding too seriously.

 

[Gary]

Stop treating Michael's death as if he was Cancer Marney!

Best post in the thread.