Michael Jackson Passes Away

[bigolsmitty]

R Kelly or GTFO.

 

[Youth N Asia]

No way, Jose.

 

[still fly]

R. Kelly bit off of Aaron Hall's style, who in turn bit off of Charlie Wilson.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

So as to not make you look like a complete idiot, the quoted post included comments about the deterioration of mainstream music. I followed up by stating yet another reason for why a Jackson/Presley/Beatles type does not currently exist.

Mainstream music, as a whole, hasn't really deteriorated, though. Yeah, there's a lot of trash on the radio today, but there was a lot of trash on the radio back when "Thriller" was tearing shit up, too. Time has a way of filtering out the garbage.

And the reason no "Jackson/Presley/Beatles type" exists today is that contemporary culture isn't really conducive to that sort of thing. The monoculture is dead.

 

[Czech]

And that's good, if you ask me. People who mourn our lack of "shared cultural experiences," the ones who get up on the (e-)soapbox and insist that we're worse off for not having been able to gather round for a Michael Jackson video debut, are generally the same kids who are creepily obsessive about Barack Obama. Maybe I don't wanna share a cultural experience with you assholes. The closest thing we have to that is American Idol, and that show sucks.

 

[KOAB]

Yeah, well... maybe we didn't wanna share one with you!

 

[Twisted Intestine]

I hate all the flack Jackson gets! Everyone always says "HE'S A CHILD MOLESTER!" despite him never being found guilty of any such crimes, and now one of the main accusers comes out and says he was lying (If that article posted is correct) and you're all ignoring it?

If there's one prime example of society tearing down and ruining a celebrity it's Michael Jackson. YOU ALL RUINED HIS LIFE AND NOW HE'S DEAD!

Holding his baby off his balcony. Oh please. The only real reason to rag on the man is that he got alot of shitty plastic surgery. For shame, all of you. For shame.

Unless he really was a child molester.

 

[KOAB]

Maybe he was just an asexual man who hated himself for looking like his shitty father?

 

[atticus Chaos]

Debbie Rowe is now claiming the kids weren't Jackson's. This should come as a shock to no-one.

 

[atticus Chaos]

Maybe he was just an asexual man who hated himself for looking like his shitty father?

I don't know about him being he was asexual. Lisa Marie has said in the past they had a marriage "in every sense of the word", although his second wife has been honest that it was entirely a business relationship and never consumated.

One of his first young male "friends" who did find Jackson's behaviour towards him inappropriate and uncomfortable said he didn't see Jackson as a predator or pedophile but rather someone who was quite confused about his sexuality.

 

[BruiserBrody]

 

[BruiserBrody]

8st = 112 pounds BTW

 

[Youth N Asia]

Debbie Rowe is now claiming the kids weren't Jackson's. This should come as a shock to no-one.

Just because Jacko's natural skin tone is a very very dark brown doesn't mean he can't father a couple posterchildren for the Aryan race.

 

[OldSchoolWrestling]

A friend sent me this joke:

When Farrah Fawcett Died and went to heaven, God Gave her one wish,She wished that all children would be safe. So God Killed Michael Jackson

 

[Czech]

Jesus Christ, the death of Michael Jackson has made me feel like I'm trapped inside a Neil Hamburger album.

 

[Incandenza]

We're in a media-saturated, entertainment-glutted culture. Absolutely no musical act will ever again attain the global dominance that Jackson et al achieved. The populace simply doesn't have the attention span necessary to make this happen.

I can't fucking believe what some people were suggesting in this thread.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Sorry, Czech. Sorry, Inc. :-[

 

[Incandenza]

Perhaps I'm overlooking the ages of some of the people here. Michael Jackson's popularity (in the U.S.) took a sharp decline in the early/mid-90s. People who are too young to have been actively following music at the height of Jackson's popularity may not understand just what made him special. They're just looking at it in terms of record sales, which is why you get someone seriously fucking suggesting Linkin Park as some sort of worthy successor. People place Jackson in the same category as Elvis and the Beatles because really, no other person or band has made such a significant contribution to the way people view and connect to music in their lives as they have. You need not be a fan of any of these people to get just how important they are in the development of popular music; I don't give a shit about Elvis or Jackson and I only merely like the Beatles, but I have an understanding of popular culture.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Totally understand what you're saying there, Inc. I mean I'm 99% sure we'll never see an artist have their videos premiere in primetime on network TV again. Heck, when was the last time they made a big deal about a music video debuting in primetime on cable TV? I honestly can't remember. Had to have been at least seven or eight years ago.

 

[Incandenza]

Sorry, Czech. Sorry, Inc. :-[

No rapper will ever be the voice of a generation. In spite of the genre's long-running popularity, it's still too much of an alienating music to ever give birth to one artist that can make a lasting cultural impact.

As for Jay-Z's alleged greatness, he gets some credit for being the most commercially savvy—if not "greatest"—rapper hip-hop has ever produced. He maintains street cred and commercial appeal. Even when Jay-Z releases a half-assed, dopey piece of shit (and you'll be hard pressed to find someone who thinks Jay-Z hasn't released a bad album), he'll throw in a couple of radio-friendly singles or club hits to ensure he'll still move units and receive airplay.* Jay-Z has managed to remain culturally relevant more than a decade after releasing his first album, which is an incredible feat for someone working in a field with a notoriously short shelf life.

* He even does this on his better albums. The Black Album had "Change Clothes," after all.

 

[Byron The Bulb]

No rapper will ever be the voice of a generation. In spite of the genre's long-running popularity, it's still too much of an alienating music to ever give birth to one artist that can make a lasting cultural impact.

I was originally going to take issue with this, but the more I think about it the more on-point it seems. Rap's plenty popular, yeah, but there's also tons of people out there who don't even view it as a legitimate art form. I mean, it's been around for 30+ years and it's still seen as little more than a silly novelty thing by large swaths of the population (cf. all this stupid bullshit). I see no reason to think that this is going to change anytime soon, either.

 

[Incandenza]

No rapper will ever be the voice of a generation. In spite of the genre's long-running popularity, it's still too much of an alienating music to ever give birth to one artist that can make a lasting cultural impact.

I was originally going to take issue with this, but the more I think about it the more on-point it seems. Rap's plenty popular, yeah, but there's also tons of people out there who don't even view it as a legitimate art form. I mean, it's been around for 30+ years and it's still seen as little more than a silly novelty thing by large swaths of the population (cf. all this stupid bullshit). I see no reason to think that this is going to change anytime soon, either.

In spite of the millions of white people who've embraced rap, it's still considered "black" music. No rapper has ever been able to synthesize both so-called white music and black music the way Michael Jackson did, the way Elvis Presley did, and the way the (early) Beatles did.

 

[Incandenza]

If this debate continues, we need to come up with some sort of shorthand method of referring to the Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley. I'm tired of typing them all out.

 

[MFer]

You know, I've always thought that part of the reason MJ's later records didn't sell nearly as much as his earlier stuff (not that he ever could match the success of Thriller, but his Invincible album "only" sold 10-mil worldwide) was because his music evolved into more of a contemporary R&B style with some hip-hop thrown in there. Even his 90's stuff seems to be overlooked to a certain extent. Obviously, the record label disputes, failed marriages, the child molestation accusations and charges, and MJ's eccentric behavior in general played a big role as well, but I think the type of music he was doing just didn't appeal to all walks of life like it used to.

 

[BUTT]

If this debate continues, we need to come up with some sort of shorthand method of referring to the Beatles, Michael Jackson, and Elvis Presley. I'm tired of typing them all out.

It's this line of thinking which leads to white guys non-ironically using terms such as "Weezy," "Yeezy," and "Hov" in rap threads.

 

[Czech]

Then before you know it, shit's ebola.

 

[Zeddemore]

Anyone else want to punch Joe Jackson in the face?

 

[Incandenza]

In spite of this being a Michael Jackson thread, I initially assumed you were talking about singer-songwriter Joe Jackson and I wondered why the hell you were bringing him up.

 

[The Coat Is My Father]

It's this line of thinking which leads to white guys non-ironically using terms such as "Weezy," "Yeezy," and "Hov" in rap threads.

Let it go, man.

 

[OldSchoolWrestling]

In spite of this being a Michael Jackson thread, I initially assumed you were talking about singer-songwriter Joe Jackson and I wondered why the hell you were bringing him up.

I was thinking Shoeless Joe.