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That would be the best retcon ever.
Besides Bobby in Dallas.
That would be the best retcon ever.
Besides Bobby in Dallas.
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I've been trying to find out more about this documentary The People vs. George Lucas. I never heard of it until earlier this year. I'll definately watch this (if I can find it).
I've been trying to find out more about this documentary The People vs. George Lucas. I never heard of it until earlier this year. I'll definately watch this (if I can find it).
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The review for Episode III is up. ;D
http://www.redlettermedia.com/
The review for Episode III is up. ;D
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How do you get Liam Neeson to finally reprise his role as Qui-Gon Jinn?
Eliminate having to deal with George Lucas.
How do you get Liam Neeson to finally reprise his role as Qui-Gon Jinn?
Eliminate having to deal with George Lucas.
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Qui-Gon had no contact with Obi before the end of Sith, so I guess I'm a bit confused by him appearing to him in this show.
Qui-Gon had no contact with Obi before the end of Sith, so I guess I'm a bit confused by him appearing to him in this show.
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They had Qui Gon show up in a dream during the first clone wars cartoon. Fred Tatasciore provided the voice and was a dead ringer for Neeson.
They had Qui Gon show up in a dream during the first clone wars cartoon. Fred Tatasciore provided the voice and was a dead ringer for Neeson.
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In the novelization, Obi-Wan does connect with Qui-Gon's force spirit.
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In the novelization, Obi-Wan does connect with Qui-Gon's force spirit.
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At this point I can see a Star Wars nerd standing over Lucas' prone body with a pistol pumping round after round into him until he just dry fires over and over and screaming anguished cries of pain as tears stream down his face and totally get away with it in a court of law.
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At this point I can see a Star Wars nerd standing over Lucas' prone body with a pistol pumping round after round into him until he just dry fires over and over and screaming anguished cries of pain as tears stream down his face and totally get away with it in a court of law.
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Seriously, fuck gay-ass 3D and all that, but no one is forcing anyone else to watch these and its not changing the story anymore than its already been changed so I do see the issue. I guess I'm a more rational fanboy.
Seriously, fuck gay-ass 3D and all that, but no one is forcing anyone else to watch these and its not changing the story anymore than its already been changed so I do see the issue. I guess I'm a more rational fanboy.
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*don't see the issue, I meant.
Can't edit posts on my blackberry.
*don't see the issue, I meant.
Can't edit posts on my blackberry.
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Wasnt Nelson going to film the force ghost reveal for EP 3 but he got injured so they just abandoned it for the Yoda reveal?
Wasnt Nelson going to film the force ghost reveal for EP 3 but he got injured so they just abandoned it for the Yoda reveal?
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Nub, nub Commander!
Nub, nub Commander!
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So I finished the hexalogy sunday night with the watching of "Return of the Jedi".
Episode 1: Very watchable, parts of it are beyond annoying to stay with but it does a good job of advancing things without being boring. Pod race and Darth Maul make this good.
Episode 2: Almost unwatchable. Anakin and Padme together with Sting in the Fields of Gold did less than nothing for me and parts of it were embarrassing to watch. Good enough action but took a long time to get anywhere.
Episode 3: Best of the prequels. Anakin is a bit overdramatic in his decision making but I think they had to rush through this to finish the prequels.
Honestly, I think episode 2 could not even exist.
I went in depth in the "Just watched" thread about Episodes 4 and 5. Episode 4 held up very well and did a great job of telling the story. I knew the backstory before watching it obviously but it was still interesting and well done. Episode 5 was my favorite of the six and I think the most well done.
"Return of the Jedi" was right up there with Episode 2 for me. Don't get me wrong, it finishes strong with the Emperor stuff but the fucking Ewoks are the single worst thing that ever happened, ever. Nevermind the middle part of the movie that feels like it takes forever to get anywhere and not even tell us anything or advance plot or DO ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST FUCKING MUPPETS FUCK YOU.
Overall, it was an interesting experience and as a whole they are good movies, just some better than others. Darth Vader doing the right thing in the end was really cool and the emotion behind it still held up. I just wish that most of the movie before the last 15 minutes of it wasn't so terrible. I think younger me would have liked them.
Next up is the recommended Tartakovsky Clone Wars series.
So I finished the hexalogy sunday night with the watching of "Return of the Jedi".
Episode 1: Very watchable, parts of it are beyond annoying to stay with but it does a good job of advancing things without being boring. Pod race and Darth Maul make this good.
Episode 2: Almost unwatchable. Anakin and Padme together with Sting in the Fields of Gold did less than nothing for me and parts of it were embarrassing to watch. Good enough action but took a long time to get anywhere.
Episode 3: Best of the prequels. Anakin is a bit overdramatic in his decision making but I think they had to rush through this to finish the prequels.
Honestly, I think episode 2 could not even exist.
I went in depth in the "Just watched" thread about Episodes 4 and 5. Episode 4 held up very well and did a great job of telling the story. I knew the backstory before watching it obviously but it was still interesting and well done. Episode 5 was my favorite of the six and I think the most well done.
"Return of the Jedi" was right up there with Episode 2 for me. Don't get me wrong, it finishes strong with the Emperor stuff but the fucking Ewoks are the single worst thing that ever happened, ever. Nevermind the middle part of the movie that feels like it takes forever to get anywhere and not even tell us anything or advance plot or DO ANYTHING. THEY'RE JUST FUCKING MUPPETS FUCK YOU.
Overall, it was an interesting experience and as a whole they are good movies, just some better than others. Darth Vader doing the right thing in the end was really cool and the emotion behind it still held up. I just wish that most of the movie before the last 15 minutes of it wasn't so terrible. I think younger me would have liked them.
Next up is the recommended Tartakovsky Clone Wars series.
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You also need to check out the Red Letter Media reviews.
You also need to check out the Red Letter Media reviews.
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Are Ewoks a generational thing? When I got older I was surprised to hear them mocked so much - they're an important part of my childhood and were much loved. Sometimes I feel like they were the adults of 1983's version of Jar Jar.
Are Ewoks a generational thing? When I got older I was surprised to hear them mocked so much - they're an important part of my childhood and were much loved. Sometimes I feel like they were the adults of 1983's version of Jar Jar.
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To be honest, I don't mind the Ewoks.
I always looked at them helping defeat the Empire as a (somewhat) metaphor for the Vietnam War.
To be honest, I don't mind the Ewoks.
I always looked at them helping defeat the Empire as a (somewhat) metaphor for the Vietnam War.
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The Empire was not familiar with Endor's forest moon. The Ewoks lived there and knew all of it's secret hiding places and environmental traps. It makes sense they could come up with a log trap to take down a Walker as well as other things.
The Empire was not familiar with Endor's forest moon. The Ewoks lived there and knew all of it's secret hiding places and environmental traps. It makes sense they could come up with a log trap to take down a Walker as well as other things.
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It's still silly to think that the mighty Empire was brought down by little furry creatures.
Episode II should have been Episode I with Darth Maul being a darkside force user serving as Dooku's lackey rather than Palpatine's apprentice. Establish Anakin as a young teenager just learning the ways of the Force and wowing everyone with his amazing natural fighting and piloting abilities rather than some kid on a farm. Didn't really need Qui-Gon Jinn at all (not that I hated him, just seems like an unnecesary character). Jinn being the one to discover Anakin really takes away from Obi-Wan discussing his failure to train him in Episode IV.
Episode II should have focused more on bits and pieces of the Clone Wars, stuff we've seen in the cartoon series, maybe it would have helped us think that General Grevious, for example, was more than just some bumbling, wheezing, hacking, goof cyborg.
Episode III was fine other than, like Max said, Anakin's weird quick and rash impulse actions to every major situation.
It's still silly to think that the mighty Empire was brought down by little furry creatures.
Episode II should have been Episode I with Darth Maul being a darkside force user serving as Dooku's lackey rather than Palpatine's apprentice. Establish Anakin as a young teenager just learning the ways of the Force and wowing everyone with his amazing natural fighting and piloting abilities rather than some kid on a farm. Didn't really need Qui-Gon Jinn at all (not that I hated him, just seems like an unnecesary character). Jinn being the one to discover Anakin really takes away from Obi-Wan discussing his failure to train him in Episode IV.
Episode II should have focused more on bits and pieces of the Clone Wars, stuff we've seen in the cartoon series, maybe it would have helped us think that General Grevious, for example, was more than just some bumbling, wheezing, hacking, goof cyborg.
Episode III was fine other than, like Max said, Anakin's weird quick and rash impulse actions to every major situation.
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I have a theory that the prequels retroactively improved the original trilogy in exactly one part: those final scenes with Luke, Vader, and the Emperor. Pre-prequels, the "tempting Luke to the Dark Side" bits never made complete sense. Luke's never really tempted. There isn't a hint of darkness in this kid; his only negative trait is youthful petulance and impatience, which is typical of people his age. So I never bought that he was ever really in danger of being Turned. But the prequels filled in the gaps: the Emperor really HAD turned Anakin in almost the exact same manner (and Anakin also shared the petulance and impatience), so the danger towards Luke's soul was much more real. The only difference between Luke and his dad is that Luke was a bit more mature when it came to dealing with the suffering and deaths of his loved ones; in that aspect, he avoided Vader's fate. And the echo of Sam Jackson's death-by-lightning-and-falling in that final showdown made Vader's sudden swerve on the Emperor more logical as well.the max said:
Ditto. They were a little cutesy, but they were still vicious little cannibal bastards who would happily burn their enemies alive. Compare that to the fucking worthless Gungans, who took all of the bad parts of the Ewoks and magnified them a hundred times. Plus, we actually saw some of the Ewoks die, which apparently Lucas was too much of a pussy to do with Jar Jar's people.DrVenkman PhD said:
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Well, they aren't technically cannibals, just carnivores. But yeah; I think it helps if you consider them to be a lot like chimps in terms of strength and such. For as small as they are, Chimps are fucking strong when it comes down to it and one could easily fuck you up if it wanted to. Dozens of those things, even if you are in armor, could still mess you up.
Frankly, I think the Ewoks are fairly forgivable. At the very least, they gave us the "Nub-Nub" song, which is so wonderfully hokey you can forgive anything else. And hell, it's not like the Empire didn't slaughter their share of the things.
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Well, they aren't technically cannibals, just carnivores. But yeah; I think it helps if you consider them to be a lot like chimps in terms of strength and such. For as small as they are, Chimps are fucking strong when it comes down to it and one could easily fuck you up if it wanted to. Dozens of those things, even if you are in armor, could still mess you up.
Frankly, I think the Ewoks are fairly forgivable. At the very least, they gave us the "Nub-Nub" song, which is so wonderfully hokey you can forgive anything else. And hell, it's not like the Empire didn't slaughter their share of the things.
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Don't talk shit about the Ewoks.
Don't talk shit about the Ewoks.
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General Grevious kind of pisses me right the fuck off.
I mean, he's a neat character, but he's *pointless* in Episode 3. He doesn't really do anything except take over for Dooku and fight Obi-Wan with *gasp* 4 lightsabers - for about 15 seconds before he starts losing hands. They don't even actually bother to point out that he's a cyborg in the movie! And when you're watching a movie with an army of robots, it kind of makes sense to assume that he's probably a robot too. Except he's coughing. It's like they added to cough to say "Look, this guy is a cyborg!" after they noticed people wouldn't be able to tell he was when they couldn't see his eyes.
That said, in the Clone Wars cartoon, he's *fantastic*. Doesn't bust out 4 lightsabers until he's backed into a corner, and it actually establishes why he's capable of beating Jedi - he takes them by surprise, scares the shit out of them, and breaks their concentration. This even plays into the fight he has with Obi Wan (Obi Wan defeats him because Obi Wan took him by surprise, and Obi Wan wasn't scared) yet they don't mention ANY of it in the movie. It's all in the cartoon.
Really, like someone said earlier, Episode II should have been Episode I - And the Clone War cartoon should have been Episode II.
General Grevious kind of pisses me right the fuck off.
I mean, he's a neat character, but he's *pointless* in Episode 3. He doesn't really do anything except take over for Dooku and fight Obi-Wan with *gasp* 4 lightsabers - for about 15 seconds before he starts losing hands. They don't even actually bother to point out that he's a cyborg in the movie! And when you're watching a movie with an army of robots, it kind of makes sense to assume that he's probably a robot too. Except he's coughing. It's like they added to cough to say "Look, this guy is a cyborg!" after they noticed people wouldn't be able to tell he was when they couldn't see his eyes.
That said, in the Clone Wars cartoon, he's *fantastic*. Doesn't bust out 4 lightsabers until he's backed into a corner, and it actually establishes why he's capable of beating Jedi - he takes them by surprise, scares the shit out of them, and breaks their concentration. This even plays into the fight he has with Obi Wan (Obi Wan defeats him because Obi Wan took him by surprise, and Obi Wan wasn't scared) yet they don't mention ANY of it in the movie. It's all in the cartoon.
Really, like someone said earlier, Episode II should have been Episode I - And the Clone War cartoon should have been Episode II.
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What they did to Grievous is criminal. His entrance into the Clone Wars cartoon is absolutely awesome and frightening at the same time. Watching him utterly demolish a half-dozen Jedi despite their force powers is something we'd never seen before. I was hoping we'd see him and Mace Windu really battle it out, showing off what they could both do. His fight and ending were so utterly lame, I can't look at the character without being disappointed.
What they did to Grievous is criminal. His entrance into the Clone Wars cartoon is absolutely awesome and frightening at the same time. Watching him utterly demolish a half-dozen Jedi despite their force powers is something we'd never seen before. I was hoping we'd see him and Mace Windu really battle it out, showing off what they could both do. His fight and ending were so utterly lame, I can't look at the character without being disappointed.
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Holy shit. Good catch.
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Holy shit. Good catch.
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That stupid 4-armed coughing robot was the dumbest shit of all time. The new Star Wars movies were basically just videogames full of minibosses, and his weak point was how many balls he licked.
That stupid 4-armed coughing robot was the dumbest shit of all time. The new Star Wars movies were basically just videogames full of minibosses, and his weak point was how many balls he licked.
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The original trilogy, including the Ewoks, are pretty much untouchable in my eyes. I could watch them all 3 times in a row and still love every second. Lucas and his crew just made fantastic films. The prequels are all marginal films made terrible in their comparison to the first movies. For one thing, the casting alone just blows the new crew away. Plus I hated the way they made the "Empire" look. Even though Tarkin says in A New Hope that the Emperor has just dissolved the senate, I thought that Empire had been around for like 100 years when really it was more like 16. I guess that's long enough...
The original trilogy, including the Ewoks, are pretty much untouchable in my eyes. I could watch them all 3 times in a row and still love every second. Lucas and his crew just made fantastic films. The prequels are all marginal films made terrible in their comparison to the first movies. For one thing, the casting alone just blows the new crew away. Plus I hated the way they made the "Empire" look. Even though Tarkin says in A New Hope that the Emperor has just dissolved the senate, I thought that Empire had been around for like 100 years when really it was more like 16. I guess that's long enough...
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Bleh.
Bleh.
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