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I'm a 1981 kid, so the "Yay, Ewoks "Slow smiley is strangely appropriate.
 

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Found this on 411mania:
George Lucas to retire, stop making more Star Wars films: Turns out George Lucas is just as brittle as any other man. Because you – yes, you - scared him off into retirement and away from making another Star Wars film.

In an interview with the New York Times (via The Guardian), Lucas seemed to take this whole backlash from his aspirations to change the original Star Wars trilogy for the millionth re-release seriously:

"I'm retiring," Lucas said. "I'm moving away from the business, from the company, from all this kind of stuff." However, he said he would not rule out making a fifth Indiana Jones film before bringing his commercial career to a close. (uh… objection?)

The 67-year-old film-maker refused to apologise for making changes to his original Star Wars films through the addition of computer-generated imagery which many fans of the movies felt jarred with the more naturalistic look of the trilogy.

"On the internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie. I'm saying: 'Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.'"

"Why would I make any more," Lucas says, "when everybody yells at you all the time and says what a terrible person you are?" - The Guardian


"We got him. It's over. It's over! Justice!" *cries* – The Internet

This is good for several reasons: 1) the blatant commercialization of an iconic franchise can finally stop (maybe), 2) the possibility of George Lucas opening up his creative bank towards other projects not in relation to movies (again, maybe), 3) more unconventional Star Wars stories in form of cartoons, television programs (like the Star Wars-Mad Men dream mash-up found below), etc., and 4) the "nuke the fridge" thing was actually his idea. Wait, what?

Lucas also addressed widespread disbelief towards a scene in 2008's poorly received fourth Indiana Jones film, Kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which saw the intrepid archeologist surviving a nuclear bomb test by hiding in a fridge and resulted in the term "nuke the fridge" entering the film-making lexicon as shorthand for a creative blunder.

The movie's director, Steven Spielberg, said he was responsible for the scene in an interview with Empire magazine last year, but Lucas said his friend was "just trying to protect me". He defended the scene's legitimacy, suggesting that "the odds of surviving that refrigerator – from a lot of scientists – are about 50-50."


"Facts are meaningless. You can use facts to prove anything that's ever remotely true. Facts, schmacts."
 

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The fridge was forgivable. The monkey scene, the ant scene and the prarie dogs? Yeah, objection.
 

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2GOLD said:
The fridge was forgivable. The monkey scene, the ant scene and the prarie dogs? Yeah, objection.

What about them surviving falling down three waterfalls?
 

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pinnacle2.0 said:
2GOLD said:
The fridge was forgivable. The monkey scene, the ant scene and the prarie dogs? Yeah, objection.

What about them surviving falling down three waterfalls?

I think after Temple of Doom, I just accepted boats were magic.
 

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Good riddance, you fuck.
 

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Judging by the prequels, I'd say Lucas retired after Radioland Murders.
 

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Anakin Flair said:
"On the internet, all those same guys that are complaining I made a change are completely changing the movie. I'm saying: 'Fine. But my movie, with my name on it, that says I did it, needs to be the way I want it.'"
You know, I really can't argue that. Did anybody else go out and make those movies? No? They're his babies. They're fucking terrible pieces of garbage that shat all over iconic films from our collective childhoods, but they're still his.
This is good for several reasons: 1) the blatant commercialization of an iconic franchise can finally stop (maybe),
See, this is an argument I never understood, even when I was 13 and Phantom Menace came out and amped up my early-teenage cynicism to include fond childhood favorites as well as the bullshit of contemporary fare. THE ORIGINAL TRILOGY WAS ALL ABOUT COMMERCIALIZATION. If Fox didn't see any true potential in making fortunes off of toys and merchandise like they did with the Planet of the Apes series a decade before? It's doubtful the movie would have even been given the budget it received in the first place, let alone allow Lucas to go on to finish the first trilogy. It's a movie with a thousand characters to make action figures of, lots of cool-looking spacecraft, and limitless potential to be milked for generations in terms of commercial properties based upon it. To come out and yell about the "commercialization of an iconic franchise" is downright naive and borderline insane in its idiocy when the original films have been milked even more than the SE trilogy or the prequels.
 

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The point most fans make over the "they're my films, I can do whatever I want!" stuff is the fact that what made people fall in love with Star Wars were the original theatrical releases, and he has made it so those versions are damn near impossible to find. Sure, they might have all sorts of technical bloopers and special effect failures, but people still want to see them and own them. I don't care if I go into a store and there are eighteen damn versions of the films out on DVD, but if I could get just the theatrical cuts by themselves, then he'd get my money.

Yes, I'm aware that they were hidden in the special features of a release from a few years ago, but they weren't exactly spectacular on the presentation front. He shouldn't have a "fine, oh, this is what you want, here, just take it" attitude on something that gave him his fortune. For all the pettiness that people might have in hating the new editions, the pettiness he has in not allowing the originals to be out there is just as bad.
 

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Fox didn't see the money-making potential in toys/merchandising/etc. Lucas negotiated for the licensing rights during the making of Star Wars, which is the main reason he was able to self finance the rest of the trilogy. Merchandising had nothing to do with Fox approving the budget for Star Wars.
 

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I can accept the fridge, I can accept the waterfalls, I can accept the fucking aliens, and I can almost accept the monkey scene. Where I draw the line is having Shia labeef in the movie.
 

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The biggest problem with Indiana Jones 4 was that Harrison Ford was near 70 and he simply couldn't do the things that made him Indiana Jones anymore. The film itself is at the very least much better than the Star Wars prequels, but it is hard to get beyond everything occurring in slow motion and the stunts being nowhere near what they were in the first three. I actually don't mind the story, but I found the action lacking.
 

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Someone dig up the time bps and I listed off everything wrong with Indy 4
 

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Spaceman Spiff said:
Fox didn't see the money-making potential in toys/merchandising/etc. Lucas negotiated for the licensing rights during the making of Star Wars, which is the main reason he was able to self finance the rest of the trilogy. Merchandising had nothing to do with Fox approving the budget for Star Wars.
This doesn't change the fact that the original trilogy was as commercialized, if not more, as the prequel trilogy, right down to the wire-frame arcade cabinet that had you shoot "fireballs" at the Death Star.
 

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I can accept the fridge, I can accept the waterfalls, I can accept the fucking aliens, and I can almost accept the monkey scene. Where I draw the line is having Shia labeef in the movie.

The waterfall scene was brutal. I was waiting for them to escape from the jeep, but they just fell. The way the built the tension in the scene, I thought they were supposed to be facing imminent danger, (even though they got there by some convoluted shit involving the jeep and a tree branch) instead they just fell. Nothing miraculous happened. They just fell. Then after surviving a fall that should have killed all three of the senior citizens in the car, they fucking fall off another waterfall just to waste our time even more. Then they fucking fell down a THIRD water fall! No injuries, nobody shaken up, no scrapes or bruises. Just get out of the car and run around. I'm going to sit through that whole movie one day.

I also hated the crappy looking ants scene that they stole from the Scorpion King and those stupid ass Caddyshack gophers. I couldn't believe those gophers were in the movie. It looked so dramatically out of place, that I actually checked to make sure I was watching the right channel.
 

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I didn't mind Indy 4 all that much. I usually don't watch it on it's own, only when I watch a marathon of the other 3 movies. I didn't mind Shia in the part, it was more of the stuff happening in the movie I didn't like. The fridge scene wasn't bad, and I can forgive the waterfall. I hated Shia swinging through the trees with the monkeys, the ants mainly because of how fake it looked, the shoehorned in scene with Indy going under and needing to grab the snake to be saved (yeah, let's not forget he hates snakes, but how can we have that scene), and the aliens. I don't mind the idea of aliens, as that's part of the stories of ancient times, but did Speilberg and Lucas have to show those really bad looking things?
 

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I don't understand why people were so mad about Indy 4 including aliens. Fuck dude, motherfuckers were ripping hearts straight outta bodies in Temple of Doom, son, the fuck is the difference. Fuck, as far as I'm concerned aliens are more scientifically probably than the Ark of the Covenant melting a Nazi's face off. Where Indy 4 fails is every other part of the fucking movie.
 

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Furthermore, do you think they could have maybe CG'd 1981 Karen Allen in place of 2008 Karen Allen? That probably would have made up for every single flaw in that movie.
 

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I think I've realized that Lucasfilms have the fakest looking CGI since Syfy original pictures. You just don't forget you are looking at cgi, you straight up know you are and you can't ignore it.
 

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Didn't they explain the lack of very many aliens in the original Star Wars Trilogy as the Emperor being racist? Since there's a fuckton more aliens in the prequels. How the hell did they explain technology regressing so much though? The ships and stuff in the original trilogy look like junkers compared to the CG stuff in the prequels.
 

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The imperial war industry put a stop to the production of nice shiny ships
 

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That's because the Emperor was racist and killed the Japanese aliens and their rice burning pretty ships
 

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White British guys don't know much about building things in the Lucasverse.
 

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The waterfall scene in Indy 4 isn't any dumber than jumping out of the plane in a raft and riding it to the bottom of the Himalayas in Temple of Doom.
 

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Kahran Ramsus said:
The waterfall scene in Indy 4 isn't any dumber than jumping out of the plane in a raft and riding it to the bottom of the Himalayas in Temple of Doom.

At least they did something to try to avoid the peril they were in. It would be like them being in danger of the plane crashing, but just sitting there yelling like they were on a roller coaster. I also didn't like them repeatedly falling like a gag from a cartoon.
 

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re: original trilogy's ships looking worse

My argument has always been a combination of the fact that a car from the 30's or 40's looked a lot more luxurious than your average car from the 70's or 80's and that the Rebel Alliance were, you know, rebels. Think of real-life rebel forces. Most of them don't have massive budgets for their warfare or technology and rely often on outdated equipment or even cheaper tools put together as quickly as possible.
 

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Sabre said:
Makes me want to watch Indy 4 now.

Also, the fridge, before he climbs in clearly says it's made with lead. The nuke also doesn't land on him, it's the power of the blast that sends him flying. See, you guys are used to your cheap, shitty Chinese made fridges. Back in the day, those things were made to last (a bomb blast).

Also, Temple of Doom is a terrible fucking movie. Corny 1930's comedy-Spielberg at his worst. You're all just living on nostalgia (I remember not being impressed as a kid).
 

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Sideburnious said:
Sabre said:
Makes me want to watch Indy 4 now.

Also, the fridge, before he climbs in clearly says it's made with lead. The nuke also doesn't land on him, it's the power of the blast that sends him flying. See, you guys are used to your cheap, shitty Chinese made fridges. Back in the day, those things were made to last (a bomb blast).

Also, Temple of Doom is a terrible fucking movie. Corny 1930's comedy-Spielberg at his worst. You're all just living on nostalgia (I remember not being impressed as a kid).

I got into a discussion recently with some friends. I told them that Last Crusade was my favorite of the series, and they said Temple of Doom. I told them that it was awful and they proceeded to get very upset with me. Fuck that, it's not good, get over it. It's the third best of the series.
 
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