Star Wars Franchise Discussion

[Sabre]

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Christ that game was shite. Yet i often found myself replaying the final lvl over and over again.

 

[Black Lushus]

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Damn right, its made Empire special edition completely unwatchable. So much infact i purchased the so called limited edition theatrical dvd set.

Oh come on, changing Boba Fett's voice wasn't THAT terrible...was it?

 

[Sabre]

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Jangos delivery was very droll and boring, where as the original fett had an awsome tone to his voice. That coupled with whatever the hell they tried to do with the "improved" vader takers to palpatine scene was fucked up.

 

[luke-o]

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It's in the same league as "adding Hayden into Jedi", I don't think it's that terrible. In fact it kind of makes things a bit more complete.

 

[Sabre]

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[Anakin Flair]

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Most of the current books actually come with a reading order list in the front of the book that puts all of the books into chronological order.

Also, I tried to read Shadows of the Empire again recently, and couldn't get into it at all now. It was very poorly written.

 

[Black Lushus]

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I guess the Special Editions just don't bother me that much outside of that Jedi Rock crap in VI....okay maybe that scream added to V when Luke jumps down the pit made me groan a bit. Made his leap a little less valiant. Minor qualms really.

 

[Jingus]

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Of all the complaints about the special editions, that's the one I never understood. Why does it matter? Everyone now associates Hayden with Anakin, right? I don't see what the big deal is putting him in there. Especially considering the first time I ever saw Jedi, I was all like "...who the fuck is that other guy standing there with Yoda and Kenobi?" and someone had to explain to me that it was supposed to be Luke's dad. I still felt it was confusing anyway, since that was the only time we ever saw that guy looking anything like that; the only other glimpse we got was of the top half of his head, in Vader's suit, with no hair and heavy caked makeup. You had to meet the movie halfway to even realize that it was supposed to be the same guy.

But oh yeah most of the other changes were bullshit. Like BL said, Luke's new pussy scream when he drops down the shaft was pretty bad, and the new musical sequence in Jedi was a fucking holocaust. Greedo shooting first has been bitched about endlessly, but it's still a valid complaint. Lots of the new added CGI just looked obviously fake and clashed jarringly with the old footage. The only new bit that I actually liked was the inserted scene with Jabba in episode IV. There were some other minor reshoots and alterations, cleaning up some iffy old effects and the like; that kind of stuff I don't mind, as long as it's subtle enough to appear seamless. Also, is it just me, or did the laser blasts look wimpier in the new version? They seemed skinnier and less substantial than the death rays of the original effects.

 

[Black Lushus]

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Hayden's leacherous leering was more disturbing than anything else really. Him being there was fine, but looking at the heroes like he wanted to rape and murder them was bad.

 

[Sabre]

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The main reason i think it annoys so many people is Lucas's reasoning for it. He stated in the ROTJ commentry that force ghosts take on the form of when the jedi died, hence anakin being young. This negates the fact that Vader pulled a last minute face turn before he died.

 

[luke-o]

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But as Obi Wan said, any humaness of Anakin died when he became Darth Vader. So what he said was true.

 

[Black Lushus]

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So what he said was true.

from a certain point of view...


Sorry, couldn't resist...and I know you were thinking it!

 

[luke-o]

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I always know I can rely on you

 

[Sabre]

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But he became good again at the end of Jedi >_<

 

[luke-o]

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But he was already dead!.. from a certain point of view. The jedi point of view.

 

[pochorenella]

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So what he said was true.

from a certain point of view...

Sorry, couldn't resist...and I know you were thinking it!

Awesome.

Most changes/additions don't bother me that much. Greedo shooting first? That's the most bothersome, yes. Extra musical number in Jabba's palace? Also crappy. But I was happy with the musical change in the final celebration on Endor in ROTJ. The "Yub Yub" song can lay a well deserved death.

 

[daileyxplanet]

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What about young Anakin at the end of ROTJ?

 

[Smues]

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There's an animated .gif somewhere of Steve Irwin the Crocodile Hunter's ghost being there instead of Anakin. I'd have been less angry had they put that on the DVD than Episode 2-3 Anakin. Hey dude from the 1983 movie, you don't exist, you were just a place holder until we got this whiny shitty actor. Bye!

 

[Mattdotcom]

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What always bothers me is that Hayd-Anakin's sight line is off kilter from Ben and Yoda's. Plus, doesn't Sebastian Shaw (the original old Anakin) actually interact with the other ghosts? Hayden just looks like an unmoving date rapist.

Query. How did you guys go about getting your tickets for Episode I if you saw it opening day? I was in sixth grade, so I couldn't camp out or anything. Luckily, the local radio station was giving away tickets. Double luckily, my mom was an expert at winning radio contests back in the day. She once won enough Elton John tickets to take her friends and had enough left over to scalp and buy a tennis bracelet. Episode I was her magnum opus, though. Once she won ours, everyone else in town wanted a set, so she had a notebook full of peoples' information. She'd pose as someone else on the phone nearly every hour. I think she won four rows worth of seats.

 

[daileyxplanet]

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Dang your mom's awesome.

I too was in 6th when Ep1 came out. I think I saw it the Wednesday after and again maybe a week later.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

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Yeah, I was in 4th grade when Episode I came out. My mom took me and a bunch of friends of mine for my 11th birthday.* I think it was the Monday or Tuesday after it was released. The theater was half empty actually being a weekday afternoon and all. Even as a 10-11 year olds, most of us couldn't help but feel mildly disappointed but we all still enjoyed it. I remember the girls in my class all liked it better than the original trilogy for whatever reason.



*Yes, I know that's a bit old for a 4th grader but my parents insisted I go to Pre-K and well, I didn't really have a choice in the matter being four years old and all. Hence I was 9-12 months older than most of my classmates.

 

[Black Lushus]

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I didn't see Episode 1 until after it was out for two weeks...I did see Episodes 2 and 3 on opening day, just later times...had to wait in line both times, luckily family members served as placeholders til I got there. (I usually hate the placeholder in line thing, but I was being selfish in these cases).

 

[Smues]

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I was in highschool when Episode 1 came out so I could have done the midnight movie thing, but I wanted to avoid the crowds and waited a month or so before seeing it. Episode 1 killed my interest so much I didn't bother seeing Episode 2 until it had been out for a couple of months and my girlfriend dragged me to it. Episode 3 I did do the midnight screening deal. Kudos to the theater for letting people in to the theater once it was cleaned (like 11) instead of making us wait until midnight. It's the only midnight screening I've been to that they've done that, but had like 6 midnight screenings of it so I guess they didn't want 6 theaters worth of people in a large line.

 

[pochorenella]

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Damn, all you guys are so young.

I didn't catch Ep I until the next week it opened. Same with Ep II although I caught it maybe a couple of days earlier than the former. All because I wanted to avoid those long lines like the plague, but I still had a line for Ep I. Episode III was my very first midnight show, as I bought the tix at least a week in advance. Funny that some friends made a big joke out of that and asked if I was one of those guys in Obi-Wan costumes and whatnot that they saw on TV doing the lines in the theaters. Of course I wasn't, but they laughed more when I told them I would've gone in costume if in fact I had one around.

As for Force Ghost Anakin in ROTJ, it don't bother me much. I can buy Lucas's explanation, as I figure that when Vader did his face turn with Palpatine he was "more machine than man". You don't wanna see a no arms, no legs, half-burned bald abomination as a Force Ghost alongside Yoda and Obi-Wan, do you?

 

[Mattdotcom]

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You guys just reminded me that I skipped Episode II in theaters entirely. I think that might be one reason why I convinced myself it was a lot better than it was when I finally did pick up the DVD (of course I have every Star Wars DVD on my shelf). I really like the concept of Ewan's dickish Obi-Wan flying around the galaxy solving an intriguing mystery. Of course, the execution leads much to be desired. I mean, it would have been nice to now who Sifo-Diyas was without having to consult an omnibus guide. My friends and I did hit up Episode III at midnight (right before our senior awards day at high school). That experience kinda made the whole prequel debacle worthwhile. It makes me wish that Episode I was something entirely different (basically any Star Wars fan's fantasy script is better) and Episode II was Episode III and the final movie was Vader personally wiping out the adult Jedi.

 

[Obi Chris Kenobi]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_books

Nicely ordered with overviews and links to each plot

 

[Anakin Flair]

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The only thing that bugged me about Hayden as Anakin in RoTJ was that they just cut and pasted his head onto the other guy's body. Anakin NEVER wore traditional Jedi robes, he wore the dark brown/black variant.

 

[Rendclaw]

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I used to know a guy who would point these kind of things out over and over, to the point where I just refused to rise to his bait and even respond to his statements.

That's what I am hearing a lot of in here.

My order of movies, for the record:

1. V
2. III
3. IV
4. VI
5. II
6. I

Empire was absolutely perfect in almost every way, and I HATE movies where the bad guys win. Despite the horrible acting and directing, watching Anakin take the plunge and his physical transformation to Darth Vader was worth it.

I was eight years old when Episode IV came out in 1977, and I was blown the hell away and couldn;t get enough of it, to the point where I would beg three dollars from my mother, get the saturday matinee and stay there all day, seeing it four times every saturday. I signed the "Han shot first" petition when it came around, but after I did that I let it go.

I agree with the statement that Episode II should have been Episode I. Also, Darth Maul should have been kept alive and been given a little bit of a better role. He didn't have to die in Episode I, and could have been the foil for Anakin, while Dooku could have been matched up directly with Obi-Wan.

The add-ins didn't bother me at all. I liked Tenimura Morrison a lot better than Ben Burtt. In the end, its a few words in Episode V, who gives a fuck, really?

And as for the EU, I highly recommend the Republic Commando series by Karen Traviss. It goes up to and past the Order 66 part (the fourth book in the series is exactly that) and is simply awesome.

I have been railing about the X-Wing series being a TV series for years. Adding a bit of a Top Gun element to Star Wars is not a bad thing, and would get both kids and adults on board. But no, George might have greenlighted the EU back in what, 1989, but nothing that comes from the EU will be used in TV or movies.

 

[Vitamin X]

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Also, Darth Maul should have been kept alive and been given a little bit of a better role. He didn't have to die in Episode I, and could have been the foil for Anakin, while Dooku could have been matched up directly with Obi-Wan.

I hate to be "that dork", but the reason this wouldn't work is because Dooku was serving as Palpatine's apprentice. There are always two Sith, one master and one apprentice, and Maul was Palpatine/"Darth Sidious"' apprentice in Episode I. If Maul was kept alive to Episode II, there'd be no reason for Dooku to be there.

 

[ChrisMWaters]

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Also, Darth Maul should have been kept alive and been given a little bit of a better role. He didn't have to die in Episode I, and could have been the foil for Anakin, while Dooku could have been matched up directly with Obi-Wan.

I hate to be "that dork", but the reason this wouldn't work is because Dooku was serving as Palpatine's apprentice. There are always two Sith, one master and one apprentice, and Maul was Palpatine/"Darth Sidious"' apprentice in Episode I. If Maul was kept alive to Episode II, there'd be no reason for Dooku to be there.

Along those lines, where does Asaaj Ventress fit into the whole thing, since Palpatine knows about her and Dooku had worked to train her?