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Vintage Independent Wrestling Thread: Discuss the Stars of Today Yesterday When They Were Stars of Tomorrow
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Is that from the Bodyguards Vs Bandits PPV? That has to be the most unnecessary wrestling PPV ever, which is really saying something.
I remember someone asked referee James Beard about it on our favorite wrestling forum WrestlingClassics and he said it was a money mark that put it together. Money mark was really hoping to get the bodyguards seen and launch their careers as B Movie action stars.
I don’t get the line of thinking. Best case scenario, you beat the shit out out of a bunch of “phony rasslers”. Also the people who make B action movies generally like (and rely upon) pro wrestlers!
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In under 2 mins Landell simulates oral sex for a push, mocks George Gulas and let's the ladies know he bangs his wife half in the bag and doesn't need any local skanks.
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Matches You Didn’t Know Almost Existed, Cactus Jack was the guest on the last John Arezzi show (from the morning of The ‘95 Royal Rumble) and he mentioned he was booked to wrestle Rick Martel on a Tommy Dee show in Staten Island but was double booked and couldn’t make it.
I didn’t know I needed Cactus Jack Vs The Model until now. If time travel was possible, Foley would be just about perfect of an opponent for AWA World Champion era Rick Martel too.
I didn’t know I needed Cactus Jack Vs The Model until now. If time travel was possible, Foley would be just about perfect of an opponent for AWA World Champion era Rick Martel too.
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Same card as Zeus vs Abby, Robocop appearing (WHAT!?) and Savio vs Carlos Colon FOR AN HOUR (Ugh)
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Oh man.... Also has Scott Hall vs a Kamala Knock off...the Rougeaus and Bertha Faye under her monster gimmick!
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A PPV with a tournament full of gimmick matches... including a quarterfinal match that is both part of the World title tournament AND for the vacant cruiser belt.
Another one of the quarterfinal matches is a battle royal instead of a one on one... but it is an open invite so the camera men, announcers, ring crew etc all being added to the mix. Poor Jerry Lawler is stuck in this.
Konnan and Road Dog's match goes a merciful sub 4 mins in a Dog collar match where the chain kept falling off the guys
Juvi is "hurt" and replaced in the tourney by Lenny and Lodi in a handicap match. This is all set up by Lawler and Bret Hart doing an extended "Comedy" bit where they argue with Lenny and Lodi and the Bananas in Pajamas using gay slurs.
The Bananas later fight Disco Inferno in a non match in a cage. One of the Naners actually takes a freakin table bump from the top of the cage to the floor, while wearing a poorly fitting mask. Crazy!
Bret does commentary for the main event so we can do a Montreal Screwjob finish....not once...but twice
Bret apparently turns heel at the end of the show....but still attacks Double J, who is the new heel champ.....
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I ordered this. Amusingly, I am pretty sure this aired in the US AFTER Jerry Lawler had returned to WWF.
This PPV actually got mildly positive reviews at the time from the IWC, which shows you how starved people were for non WWF wrestling. Timing was perfect as it was taped near the end of the InVasion angle and aired after it so people really did want to see some unfiltered WCW like bullshit, even if it was of the ‘00 variety.
This PPV actually got mildly positive reviews at the time from the IWC, which shows you how starved people were for non WWF wrestling. Timing was perfect as it was taped near the end of the InVasion angle and aired after it so people really did want to see some unfiltered WCW like bullshit, even if it was of the ‘00 variety.
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I remember it being kinda lukewarm in reaction and that almost totally being because it wasn't the WWF. I remember thinking Scotsman's review was funny.
The next couple are legit fun, from what I recall. When they were just kind of bigger budget TNA shows.
The next couple are legit fun, from what I recall. When they were just kind of bigger budget TNA shows.
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Supposedly the WWA paydays were pretty good.
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WWA Revolution was a fun show, minus the silly Tantric theme.
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See I remember Revolution was the hated one cause of Grandmaster Sexay replacing the Macho Man and the godawful Kronik and Rick Steiner/The Cat squashes. Plus the annoying tone deafness of having Larry Zbyszko cut a shoot promo on Chris Jericho.
Other taped ‘03 PPVs were better from what I remember. More competent but only slightly less fever dream like. SID as the Commissioner.
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I said it was a fun show, not a good show.
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My favorite part about Corny going on rants about how much he hates certain people is when you remember the folks he hates the most are considerably more successful at promotion/booking than he was.
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HOF worthy
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Idk who Brody is going to vote for for POTY after this but JCW is way more culturally influential (and probably drew way more) than SMW.
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There was a very brief period of time where JCW was the #2 promotion in the US based on gates alone. You literally can't say that about SMW or ROH.
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Possible, but Parv is also a cantankerous old man whose opinions and ideas tend to ignore context. Nice enough guy to chat with, extremely knowledgeable about eras and territories that are oft overlooked, but taking his word as gospel isn't necessarily advised.
To use a more recent analogy, there were a few points in time where ROH was drawing larger live gates than TNA, but at no point would anyone have considered ROH the bigger promotion.
To further clarify, JCW being the default #2 only happened between the final Nitro and the launch of ROH/TNA. The next closest consistent draw in the US, coupled with distribution size, would've been XPW.
So yes. There was a period where WWE was #1, JCW was #2, and XPW was #3. By default.
Man...puts the early praise of TNA into perspective, really.
To use a more recent analogy, there were a few points in time where ROH was drawing larger live gates than TNA, but at no point would anyone have considered ROH the bigger promotion.
To further clarify, JCW being the default #2 only happened between the final Nitro and the launch of ROH/TNA. The next closest consistent draw in the US, coupled with distribution size, would've been XPW.
So yes. There was a period where WWE was #1, JCW was #2, and XPW was #3. By default.
Man...puts the early praise of TNA into perspective, really.
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I would say ROH was a close #3 at their peak. They were never as big as TNA on a national level but they were drawing better live gates and the product was more enjoyable. I definitely think TNA stopped being #2 around 2014-2015 and would argue NJPW was the #2 at that time prior to AEW's formation.