2016 Election Thread (ROUND FIVE!)

[bigolsmitty]

Latest poll has Clinton +32 in MA. But Trump could have won it!

 

[snuffbox]

Was the poll rigged?

 

[SFH]

I remember having this idealized illusion that regardless of who was running, both sides had their candidate, and whoever won, "gosh shucks our guy didn't win but we'll support the guy that won" was the attitude.

Now it's "worst case scenario" for both sides. Aside from the racists that didn't want no black president in 08 and in '12, there were people that didn't necessarily support Obama, but were not acting like the end of the world. No one acted like McCain or Romney would be the end of the world (aside from LOL Palin).

I remember for 00 it was generally accepted we're getting the exact same thing regardless of who won out of Bush & Gore. And again in 04 for Bush/Kerry. Sure people had their venom for both but I don't remember families being divided over the shit.

I'd guess the elections in the 60s may have had this effect on families, maybe? My studies have been on the elections and candidates themselves, I never really focused on the micro sociological effects. We've always looked at effects on society on a large scale, not how it shaped Sunday dinner @ Grandma's house.

I'd love to hear from you guys on this, if you have any stories on how individual elections affected your day to day lives, either walking on egg shells or being honest getting you ostracized.

I'm casting my vote for Johnson. This is not a "take a vote away" from either Trump or Clinton because my alternative is to stay the fuck home otherwise. Mrs. Hoody is leaning towards somewhere between Johnson, Stein, and Clinton. She's trying to sort out which specific issues mean the most for her this round. We both did Libertarian in 12.


I'm debating on calling in sick to work on election day. I'm also planning on avoiding both sets of families for at least 3 days, win or lose, people are going to be insufferable.

 

[Damaramu]

Has anyone seen Republicans pushing the voter fraud angle?
Dadaramu has posted a ton of memes about voter fraud

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Trump has embedded that idea in the brains of many of his supporters.

 

[Fall of Epic]

He's just planting the seeds for his followers for when he loses. He'll just claim media bias and poll rigging and everyone will eat it right up because America.

 

[Bored]

And the rigging talk is seemingly working as he's been gaining in the polls since the last debate. This whole election has been disturbing but the fact that the last debate didn't completely bury him might be the most disturbing thing to date. He's going to lose but it's not going to be the landslide that it should be.

 

[still fly]

It'll be close, as I've said for months. If white voters in the rust belt come out to vote, he'll win.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

No fucking chance it'll be close. He's going to get killed by African-Americans and Hispanics.

 

[still fly]

No fucking chance it'll be close. He's going to get killed by African-Americans and Hispanics.

Right, but the majority of Hispanics are in California, Illinois, New York; already deep blue states. Florida and Texas has a strain of Hispanics that vote reliably red.

Barack Obama isn't on the ballot, so the Black vote will be depressed.

Getting the white vote out in Ohio, Michigan, Iowa, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin is his only shot. He also has to win North Carolina and Florida. He doesn't need Utah or Arizona to reach 270 electoral votes. It's not impossible.

 

[still fly]

So the FBI has re-opened the Hillary email case.

Seems to be procedural, who knows with this fucking god awful election

 

[Mickey Massuco]

http://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/donald-trump-shy-voters-polls-gop-insiders-230411

This link hints at that suppressed Trump base. I don't really buy it, but it's worth posting. I always felt Hillary would win in spite of the nasty feeling that creeps up in my gut every time I see a Trump rally picture.

 

[NoCalMike]

The bigger question now as far as I am concerned is how will Trumpism factor into the future of the GOP. Trump will lose and long be forgotten about, but his ability to get the crazies a seat at the table of a major political party could have lasting effects. He gave a voice to the "crazier than the already crazy" right-wing folks and it will be interesting to see if the GOP tries to purge them over the course of Hillary's term(s) in order to have a decent shot the next go around, or if they continue to pander to the lowest of the low because it ends up an impossible and futile task to close the Pandora's box that Trump opened.

I think in effect, Trump has actually contributed to the shrinking of the GOP overall, unfortunately because Hillary happens to be the (D) candidate, we aren't seeing just how much damage he's truly done. If the candidate was a more likable Democrat, I think it would be the landslide most sane people expect it should be regardless.

The GOP has a choice to make after this election. Either look inward and realize a lot of their policies just aren't going to win with the voters anymore or keep on keepin' on and continue to try to recruit every loon from under every rock and hope there are enough undiscovered rocks to turn over that it can win some elections.

 

[still fly]

The Democrats are going to face their reckoning like the Republicans have eventually. There is deep dislike and distrust of the establishment in DC that's palpable. We've already seen it with Bernie's primary run that those voters aren't necessarily loyal rank and file Democrats.

 

[Edwin]

The difference is that solidly democratic demographics are increasing in volume. Additionally, Sanders and Warren have become far more influential this election cycle. I have much more confidence in the democrats to evolve their platform to match their expanding constituency and its growing liberal wing.

The democrats are going to carry the most college educated whites they have since Bill. Trump's exposure of the GOP's worst impulses has created the opportunity to establish a coalition that could shut the right out of the presidency for decades.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://twitter.com/hashtag/NoDAPL

Hillary is getting skewered over this, and rightfully so. When elected, a bunch of liberals are gonna let out a sigh of relief before going HAM on her

EDITED to take out any metaphor that might get the ELITE SCUM SERVICE to descend on DubQ's house.

 

[KOAB]

such a shame that Russians have now infiltrated the FBI

 

[909]

I read that this is about Anthony Weiner. He sent Hilldawg three e-mails and is being investigated for sexting a minor, so they came across it.

 

[snuffbox]

As I understand it, the investigation wasn't really re-opened (as it were).

 

[909]

Also, lots of us whitey aren't going to vote for Trump. It isn't just me. My mom and dad are very centrist and are not. My dad has never voted before, but he is now because Trump is a nutcase.

People in the rust belt feel the same way. Trump's internal survey team also thinks he's losing, I read an article about it the other day. They think there's voters that could be persuaded to vote for Trump, but that's about it.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Gotta have the last minute kick in the pants to dem voters to make them think Trump still has a shot so they don't get over confident and stay home or make a protest vote. I C U Media.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

such a shame that Russians have now infiltrated the FBI

I read that this is about Anthony Weiner. He sent Hilldawg three e-mails and is being investigated for sexting a minor, so they came across it.

As I understand it, the investigation wasn't really re-opened (as it were).

What am I missing here?

 

[909]

FBI Director said there were more e-mails they had to look at due to a different investigation and the report is that they were sent by Anthony Weiner.

 

[NoCalMike]

I remember having this idealized illusion that regardless of who was running, both sides had their candidate, and whoever won, "gosh shucks our guy didn't win but we'll support the guy that won" was the attitude.

To be quite honest, most every day Hillary supporters I know are even lukewarm on supporting her and it's more "OMG Trump, really?" that is driving them, yet at the same time they recognize she could mess up and lose, while it seems like your average Trump supporter is buying into this delusion that he can rescue the country from......(I don't even know?) and the only plausible way he will lose is if it's due to fraud.

 

[KOAB]

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/10/28/politics/joe-biden-secretary-of-state-clinton/

welp

 

[Brocklock]

Dems counter to all the email talk is this new creepy Trump video

http://www.vox.com/identities/2016/10/28/13459750/trump-video-miss-universe-grab-kiss-jennifer-hawkins

 

[tekcop]

On the topic of white people and voting for Trump, both of my gf's evangelical christian parents are sitting out this election because Trump is Trump. There's still plenty of Trump signs everywhere, but I find it pretty interesting.

 

[Brocklock]

https://youtu.be/vvULsrjLdI4

 

[Lord of The Curry]

So a co-worker and I have a bet about the election, he thinks Trump is going to take it and all of the headlines this morning about it being a deadlock have emboldened him in thinking so? Am I about to lose money?

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

Word is Clinton has a significant lead in early voting especially in battleground states already. Any word that that things are close only makes things better for her because it motivates people sitting on the fence and she hasn't been telling her voters that things are rigged against them. Add in that Trump has no organization or help from the GOP organization on election day to get people to go out and vote and Hillary does and I think things will still work out.

Comey is getting totally shredded http://www.rawstory.com/2016/10/eric-holder-and-100-other-former-justice-officials-sign-letter-blasting-comeys-breach-of-protocol/?utm_source=fark&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=im&utm_tracker=1737131x84899 not even having a warrant before revealing this stuff was pretty amazing.