2016 Election Thread (ROUND FIVE!)

[Precious Roy]

Who is Shaun King? Isn't that a former NFL QB? Seahawks?

 

[Mickey Massuco]

^post of the year right there

 

[Precious Roy]

was joking, but legit didn't know this Shaun King. That twitter feed is seriously disturbing. Muslim women having their hijabs pulled off??! Random people being yelled at and assaulted simply because they aren't white?!!

 

[still fly]

I wonder how much of it is true

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GLG9g7BcjKs

I loved this video

 

[Edwin]

I wonder how much of it is true

I'm sure there's some hyperbole in there, but at least half of what he's shared has been accompanied by police reports, video, or confirming statements from people like school administrators.

 

[HarleyQuinn]

Got this tweet back re: the USPS incident in Cambridge, MA so at least that's something. Assholes like that should be fired when doing that type of stuff on the job.

" USPS Help ‏@USPSHelp 58m58 minutes ago
@DH523 Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The issue has been escalated to the appropriate members of USPS management. ^KKG"

 

[still fly]

was joking, but legit didn't know this Shaun King. That twitter feed is seriously disturbing. Muslim women having their hijabs pulled off??! Random people being yelled at and assaulted simply because they aren't white?!!

The Hijab story was fake FYI

 

[tekcop]

Which one?

 

[CookieMueller]

The Muslim ban information is back on his website, btw.

Also, man is he looking like a Washington outsider with these cabinet picks. JP Morgan CEO for treasury secretary. TAKE THAT FAT CATS! #draintheswamp

 

[snuffbox]

Weren't you all for Clinton a short while ago, still fly?

 

[snuffbox]

Got this tweet back re: the USPS incident in Cambridge, MA so at least that's something. Assholes like that should be fired when doing that type of stuff on the job.

" USPS Help ‏@USPSHelp 58m58 minutes ago
@DH523 Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The issue has been escalated to the appropriate members of USPS management. ^KKG"

But some of the reports might be fake or exaggerated tho!

 

[Damaramu]

The Muslim ban information is back on his website, btw.

Also, man is he looking like a Washington outsider with these cabinet picks. JP Morgan CEO for treasury secretary. TAKE THAT FAT CATS! #draintheswamp

Well that was too good to be true.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

http://www.newsweek.com/republicans-tight-house-races-reject-trumps-immigration-stance-517933

for Venk, wherever you are

 

[Bored]

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/newt-gingrich-endorses-national-popular-vote

I'm with Newt...two years ago.

 

[Richard]

And Trump four years ago. Fun fact about the EC was that new liberal hero Alexander Hamilton was largely responsible for it's existence.

Weren't you all for Clinton a short while ago, still fly?

He's trying to join the KMA club.

 

[tekcop]

Let's go down the conspiracy theory hole, guys.

https://twitter.com/alexandrachalup
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10157855450785389&id=614520388

Regardless of Hillary Clinton’s concession, a close analysis must be done of the actual voting results (machine tabulations and paper ballots cast) versus the vote reporting (to the board of elections and Secretary of State offices). Some important facts collectively warrant this:
1) Russians have heavily influenced this election for the past six months and have successfully hacked into the election systems of more than half the states in the country;
2) Major public polls and the Clinton campaign's internal polls were historically off the mark, and in the campaign's case, didn't match the voter file records, which is unheard of to this level. This is especially odd considering that Clinton's campaign manager Robby Mook is one the most brilliant in politics when it comes to micro-targeting and voter analysis. Even GOP strategist and pollster Frank Luntz called the 2016 exit polls “the worst and least accurate we’ve ever seen,” in a Tweet sent on election night.
3) Homeland Security/DOJ teamed up with a group that is part of Anonymous based in Washington, D.C. called “The Protectors.” This group saw a lot of activity during Election Day from the Russians and believe that the voting results projected don’t match the internal and public polls because the voting results were manufactured in favor of Trump in heavily Republican counties in key states, and voting results may have been decreased for Clinton in key Democratic counties via malware that was placed by the Russians when they hacked the election systems of more than half our states.
4) Trump/Manafort set-up the “rigged election” narrative months ago preparing for exactly this scenario. This is straight out of Manafort’s playbook, and Putin’s, too — accuse the other side of doing what you’re doing so that you cannot be accused of doing it. There is no short supply of examples of this: Putin regularly accuses the US of meddling in Russia’s affairs when he annexed Crimea, invaded east Ukraine, and holds sham elections in Russia.
5) Kellyanne Conway, an expert conservative pollster, was selected as Trump’s campaign manager when Paul Manafort took too much heat about his Russian’s connections and “resigned” (though he has likely continued to be involved behind the scenes and continues to have a residence in Trump Towers), and Conway helped lead messaging that polls were all wrong and that Trump has “shadow supporters,” a term that mainstream journalists echoed as the election results began to favor Trump.
6) Paul Manafort, who has heavy ties to the Kremlin, is being federally investigated for his work in Ukraine, was virtually silent since resigning from Trump’s campaign a few months ago, but sent his first tweet since resigning last week saying that by the Sunday before the election Trump would have the 270 votes needed to win (despite internal and public polls saying otherwise).
Something seems very off and needs to be closely examined. Homeland Security/DOJ should be able to verify this, even though Clinton conceded.

More about the woman who wrote that: http://twitter.com/sarahkendzior/status/796961878836703232

 

[BigD]

The namr Kremlin sounds very sinister so it wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

This is why I like Canada where it is all paper ballots and tallied by hand with no machines involved. You can't hack a pen.

 

[Edwin]

The 65+ year-old white people who elected Trump are perhaps in for one of the rudest awakenings.

During the campaign, coverage of the issues was blotted out by coverage of Hillary Clinton’s emails and Donald Trump’s broad suite of sociopathic tendencies. And of the issues that did receive any attention, a conspicuously missing one was Paul Ryan’s plan to push Medicare beneficiaries into private health insurance. Reporters just assumed that, since Trump never talked about it, it won’t happen. But Paul Ryan still wants it to happen. And in a Fox News interview with Bret Baier, Ryan said Medicare privatization is on.

“Your solution has always been to put things together, including entitlement reform,” says Baier, using Republican code for privatizing Medicare. Ryan replies, “If you’re going to repeal and replace Obamacare, you have to address those issues as well. … Medicare has got some serious issues because of Obamacare. So those things are part of our plan to replace Obamacare.”

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/11/paul-ryan-says-medicare-privatization-is-on.html

Lots of my older family members and their friends in Florida voted for Trump explicitly because of their dissatisfaction with Florida's terrible health care exchange (which is, of course, 90% the fault of the Republican statehouse, which refused medicaid expansion and neglected to set up their own site). Their insurance didn't get any cheaper or better under the ACA. They have been eagerly counting down the days to their 65th birthdays so they can get out of that system and onto medicare. Oops.

 

[Czech]

I always confuse Sarah Kendzior with Jill Filipovic because they're both cute but always wrong about everything.

Here's an encouraging, not-the-Onion headline: Clinton aides blame loss on everything but themselves

EDIT: shit, no, that's just Kendzior's filtered twitter pic, without it she looks like an alien

 

[BigD]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

 

[HarleyQuinn]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Would be great if he meant it but all the talk/his siding with making Gay Marriage a state issue (again, which will likely go back to what 12? 14? states with Gay Marriage on the books) + basically allowing discrimination of LGBT on the grounds of 'religious' or 'moral' freedom basically spits in the face of championing gay equality and paints it as nothing more than lip service.

 

[BlackFlagg]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Would be great if he meant it but all the talk/his siding with making Gay Marriage a state issue (again, which will likely go back to what 12? 14? states with Gay Marriage on the books) + basically allowing discrimination of LGBT on the grounds of 'religious' or 'moral' freedom basically spits in the face of championing gay equality and paints it as nothing more than lip service.

I imagine having a VP who thinks you can cure gays via shock therapy doesn't help much either...

 

[Damaramu]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Would be great if he meant it but all the talk/his siding with making Gay Marriage a state issue (again, which will likely go back to what 12? 14? states with Gay Marriage on the books) + basically allowing discrimination of LGBT on the grounds of 'religious' or 'moral' freedom basically spits in the face of championing gay equality and paints it as nothing more than lip service.

I'm hoping that because the supreme court ruled on it that it's going to be very very hard to repeal.

I hate that "the states should decide it" thing. For god's sake if the states are going to prove they can't do the right thing then I'm all for us making them do the right thing.

 

[NoCalMike]

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/2/donald-trump-holds-high-flag-gay-equality/

Would be great if he meant it but all the talk/his siding with making Gay Marriage a state issue (again, which will likely go back to what 12? 14? states with Gay Marriage on the books) + basically allowing discrimination of LGBT on the grounds of 'religious' or 'moral' freedom basically spits in the face of championing gay equality and paints it as nothing more than lip service.

I'm hoping that because the supreme court ruled on it that it's going to be very very hard to repeal.

I hate that "the states should decide it" thing. For god's sake if the states are going to prove they can't do the right thing then I'm all for us making them do the right thing.

Yeah I think the whole "state's rights" thing has been really perverted and in a lot ways it is just an out for the federal government to punt on the issue(s).

Something like marriage should be universal in the country, you shouldn't have to worry that moving to another state might invalidate. State's rights should fall more on specific issues that only effect the local region stuff like how they regulate the environment or perhaps some states might have to have different laws as far as hunting goes due to the species of animals that live/roam...etc etc....but anything such as a civil right, or related to it should not change from state-to-state....hence "United States"

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

Championing "states rights" is often a cop-out for not wanting to deal with a problem, but getting rid of it sets a dangerous precedent.

 

[bigolsmitty]

There were reports today that the Trump people want to keep 1) pre-existing condition coverage 2) stay on parents' plan until 26 and 3) Medicaid expansion. Hard to have 1) without keeping the individual mandate and not having costs explode but LOL deficits don't matter when there's a Republican president.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

The mental gymnastics republican voters must do to avoid facing the fact that GOP presidents are just as bad if not worse with the debt/budgeting, idk

 

[KOAB]

Who knew that repeal and replace Obamacare literally just meant doing this Obama and renaming it Trumpcare?

 

[bigolsmitty]

I'm honestly somewhat afraid for our democracy. I know Trump is full of shit. But.

He said he wanted to jail political opponents. He said he wanted to go after the press. He threatened to not respect the results of the election if he lost. He's switched between liberal, conservative, and centrist political statements throughout his life but has constantly praised dictators and authoritarians: the Chinese leadership for their massacre at Tiananmen, Putin, Kim Jong Un. I'm not inclined to believe much of what he says, but on these things I am. Or at least I'm not willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Our democracy isn't a given, and a lot of our relative stability has been based on leaders respecting norms.

It's happened in the recent past in Russia, and it's happening right now in places like Hungary and Turkey.