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AEW in June 2024: For a door that’s forbidden, they sure do open it a lot.

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Sheldon has been carrying the first quarter for AEW for a long time.

Meltz also wants us to know that this isn’t because of Juneteenth but I really really want to see him and little buddy try to explain the Pop Out concert.

“so yeah you see Kendrick Lamar not a big draw but over in the room had a show I guess in LA, Drake is in Canada, big numbers Bret hart uh yeah and all that sort of thing.”
 

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I really hate to give them credit but all the anti-AEW hysteria media plays a role as well (Cornette, Russo, Bischoff, Konnan, Disco, Bully etc.).
 

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I’m not going to dig back into the numbers but didn’t numbers go down last year at this time when they did Forbidden Door and brought in various random people that weren’t regularly on the show?

clearly there’s a couple hundred thousand AEW regulars who aren’t interested in it.

It will normally stabilize. I’m happy to mock shitty ratings but they’ll be back to 750,000 in a couple weeks, which is what they are going to get now. That’s the market now. Unless you are super hot, it’s the same across the street.

AEW isn’t hot right now, that happens.

You’ve devoted a lot of screen time to generally unknowns from other promotions and MJF was ruined by his shitty face program and he comes back doing his same old routine and he does an immediate program with Rush who isn’t a star.

It’s fine. Have fun.
 

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I also think the Forbidden Door concept has been pretty much exhausted at least on the Japan front. I was excited that they were gonna supplement it this year with Lucha and Stardom but outside of two matches, they haven't been utilized at all. The PPV looks good but they need to retool for next year unless NJPW gets an Okada level talent outside of Toru Yano (Tsuji let's go!)
 

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CWM can correct me if I’m wrong but NJPW losing Okada feels as big to them as WWE losing Hogan in ‘93 or Rock & Austin in the mid ‘00s was. He’s damn near irreplaceable and him just being a normal upper mid carder in AEW really hurts these co-promoted events.

Only other NJPW guys with similar levels of recognition are like Okada and already also members of AEW’s roster or semi to fully washed.
 
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pretty sure FD did one of if not the biggest ppv buyrates ever for aew. they havent done a great job promoting it this year outside tonis match and some of the lucha but naito vs mox should be very good.

njpw has a tremendous crop of young talent that theyre trying to transition to. guys like shingo who is in the owen are still best in the world level. losing okada was huge but the fact they also lost white and ospreay only compounded it. the entire puro scene has been devastated by covid and japans poor economy.
 

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[quote author=BRODY link=topic=7317.msg606823#msg6
Fightful Select spoke with AEW sources about their feelings on the number, and how they rationalized it. We were told that the typical lead in for AEW, Big Bang Theory, usually does a demo number of 200-250k for their final quarter hour. This week's lead in was Black Panther, which they said landed at under 85k in the demo for the final quarter hour, a significant drop-off. They believe that the missing people were the lead in watchers that didn't exist this week.
When Fightful reached out to a WBD rep about the number, and said "Just a very odd week in general, and a confluence of stuff Juneteenth holiday in the middle of the week (when does a mid-week holiday ever happen in late spring/summer months?!). Competition with Olympic trials and college baseball all World Series in prime time. Amazing weather in much of the country (especially up here in the northeast), so lots more people out and about. Wouldn't really put much into one week's number, although I know the wrestling community likes to go nuclear with these kinds of one-offs," indicating they expect the number to increase next week.
 

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I think their product is good so I might not be the right person to ask, but I have some ideas that I think would have made more people watch the show recently. I’ll post them when I get home.
 

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They just don't know how to grow the audience, or at least maintain growth.
 

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I went to the Collision/Rampage taping yesterday. There are things I would improve but the experience gets a thumbs up from me. It's a treat that for a $20 I got to see Okada, Shibata, Ultimo Guerrero, Hechicero, I paid $30 for an indy ticket where the biggest star was Fuego del Sol! AEW only opened a little over half the building but what they sold was full.
 

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I think the upcoming residency at the 1,200 person capacity at the e-sports arena (cringe) could be a good gauge and money saving opportunity. If there is no decline in ratings, there is no reason that they shouldn’t be doing the majority of their TV tapings at venues like that.

Even if the aesthetic triggers the Bischoffs, Bully Rays and Lutzkes of the world!
 

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How many sports are growing their audiences anymore? Raw was doing between 2 and 2.8 million viewers in 2019. It's like 1.5 to 1.8 now and we consider it to be in a boom. The NBA just had their worst (non covid) finals since 2007. I don't think anyone considers them to be in poor shape.

Economy has also had an effect on your caps button, bro.

I have the flu and I was typing with the accessibility keyboard from my sickbed. Next time I won't bother to answer your questions for fear of mockery sir.
 

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I don't want to make multiple posrs in a row but I feel like AEW is already course correcting. They are announcing matches 3 weeks or more out, they heard people hated Jericho all over the show so they cut him back. They cut back on the Authority figure stuff at least this week.
 

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Man that number is really bad, especially announcing an MJF match to start the show. I have really enjoyed the product for the last 4 months though so I‘m not exactly sure what they could do drastically differently.
 

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The ratings to me aren't because the product is bad, it's because they've made decisions for things to lack urgency and these decisions are finally coming back on them.

1. For one thing, when the other guys are doing an MITB match, you shouldn't copy exactly how they're doing it by having qualifiers for a secondary title match. What you should do is just straight up do some sports entertainment and have all six guys come out to the ring as an announcement. Like you have the first two, and then you add some suspense by going to commercial, and then the next four guys are in the ring as a surprise when you come back from that commercial. Then you give them each a microphone and let them sink or swim over the next ten minutes. Then you make a six man tag out of that for the next week and the week after that you do the ladder match on TV. You don't need to wait to do a TNT title ladder match until the PPV. You're also running two Owen Hart tournaments. Why would you run a qualifying tournament for a ladder match.

2. You should never have Mercedes Mone come into the fed and have her first title feud be against someone who had like five matches in the US and literally hasn't worked in the fed. Okada, kind of the same thing, why are they waiting to have these people in there with their big talent. Now that being said. There are way more injured wrestlers than you'd realize until you wrote all of them down.

3. BCC faction is stale.

4. Young Bucks haven't defended their tag titles in two months. This should literally never happen.

5. Orange Cassidy being the MVP of the company has been great in the sense that he's reliable, but it's not great because nobody should work on TV this much. There's a never ending revolving door of talent that comes through AEW but you have guys who don't work enough and then you have guys who are booked on literally every show. It's a strange inconsistency that I'd be looking to sort out. When you go to a show or turn on a show they have a core group of four people who's probably going to be on there but its been the same core group for about two or three years now. At some point you have to add to that group, subtract from it, and make some changes. They did subtract Moxley from this group because at one point it was the same five people. I think everyone here can figure out which four people are on in prominent stuff every week, or you should be able to figure it out.


The product is great besides these things but when you're talking about getting people to watch shows, I'm looking at urgency, I'm looking at Tony forgetting about shit (if nobody defends the tag titles, you literally forgot about them), and I'm looking at their core group becoming stale. You can keep the same wrestling based product that they have, and you can make it even better.
 
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I think Ospreay is the MVP of the company since he's come in. OC has had his role reduced a lot the last few months. I agree BCC is stale but I think they barely use them as a stable since Bryan or Mox are gone a lot lately. I expect Claudio is going to turn soon and with Bryan ending as a fulltime guy they will break up the faction. Otherwise I agree with you.
 

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He's super valuable to the company because he's never hurt and always fills his time well. But it's a double edged sword because he's been so reliable for so long that it's hurting the company for him to literally always be there.
 

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Also, I think AEW should book the opposite of WWE and just go balls to the wall all the time. There's no reason for them to marinate or sit on anything. They need to be different. This is a company that booked CM Punk vs. Moxley on TV three weeks before the PPV. They just straight up ignored when people told them to slow down. Now we've definitely slowed down.

Look at last week's show compared to the same week in 2022 and 2023.





Look, that's a great main event last week, but you can't deny that there's serious conflicts in urgency and booking philosophy on a year to year basis. AEW has always had a fucking great wrestling product, so it's not that. It's not that they're too focused or not focused enough on wrestling. It's that the importance of the wrestling they're showcasing has fundamentally changed. Some people love it anyway (me) and some don't. The lack of blood in the product lately is tied to that. You guys who were complaining about people bleeding too much were completely wrong.
 

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It just feels like there's a need for course correcting more than there are courses that prove successful. Like it seems like at least three times a year the same conversation happens, and never for the exact same reasons as the last time. If anything, they need to be more stubborn a lot of the time and less bedgrudgingly reactionary.
 

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[quote author=BRODY link=topic=7317.msg606823#msg6
I think the upcoming residency at the 1,200 person capacity at the e-sports arena (cringe) could be a good gauge and money saving opportunity. If there is no decline in ratings, there is no reason that they shouldn’t be doing the majority of their TV tapings at venues like that.

Even if the aesthetic triggers the Bischoffs, Bully Rays and Lutzkes of the world!
I watch 9th generation copies of shitty studio wrestling.
 
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