Star Wars Franchise Discussion

[Mattdotcom]

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I can't wait.

 

[Obi Chris Kenobi]

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haha sadly, I don't think it'll be good as the 1st one, as it won't have the shock/wtf factor to it.

 

[CBright7831]

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Awesome. I'm subscribed to his YT account and will be keeping an eye out for it.

Since this will probably be a review on the whole prequel trilogy, I think ROTS will be the trickiest one for him, since that film is the most well regarded of the PT.

It still has it's flaws though.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

 

[BorneAgain]

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[flash=200,200]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfBhi6qqFLA[/flash]

Its here, and damn is it good.

 

[Black Lushus]

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I have to shoot a little honesty here...the tearing apart of the PT has been done so much that it's really not even that funny anymore...and much like Darth Vader, there IS still some good in them.

 

[Mattdotcom]

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It's more complex than that. Sure, I can appreciate what he's doing, because his points are valid. To me, he's not criticizing Star Wars as much as he is these annoying white stains who get a web cam, stare directly into it 98% of the time, and yell unfunny bullshit in the shrillest, screechiest, "I CONFUSE LOUD WITH FUNNY" voice you've ever heard. It's very meta.

 

[CBright7831]

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I liked it, but he pretty much pointed out everything that Rod Sterling had already pointed out about the prequels back in 1999 and 2002.

And judging by what the end of the video teased, he'll probably point out a lot of stuff that Sterling pointed out in 2005.

 

[Damaramu]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_books

Nicely ordered with overviews and links to each plot

Awesome. I used to love the Star Wars novels. I've only read a few though. I've read the Thrawn Trilogy (badass books btw), Shadows of the Empire and Tales from Jabba the Hutt's Palace (which includes bobba fett escaping the pit).

Anybody else want to recommend some of the books to read? Seems like from that list a lot of the books are written for children, at least a lot of the early pre-Episode 1 stuff.

I'll ask specifically though: New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force books? Good? Not good? What about the Old Republic books? I loved playing the video games set in the old republic.


I know I'm late on this thread but just let me say, I didn't hate the prequels. I don't have any venom for them. I am irked by some of the plot holes, but it doesn't bother me to the point of hatred.
The only thing I didn't like was this plot point: there are a ton of different aliens and many many futuristic looking ships in the prequels yet of course none of this shows up in the original trilogy due to technology constraints. But......how do you explain that in the story? Why did ship building technology suddenly get shitty and less sleek?

 

[Mattdotcom]

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The Empire happened and everything turned to shit.

 

[Damaramu]

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Also are the Stormtroopers really intended to be the clones? I always wondered that because they always seemed to have their own personality in the movies. And there was a book (i think it may have been the Thrawn Trilogy, if not it was another series) where all the Stormtroopers were clones and everyone was shocked they were clones like this wasn't normal.

 

[Mattdotcom]

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I think they were for a time, but then they founded the Imperial Academy. I forget the reasoning for replacing them with real people. I think it's because The Emperor could control real men with the Force, but that was just a retcon to explain how Ewoks started whooping Stormtrooper ass on Endor after Vader killed Palpatine.

 

[Rendclaw]

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Not really because the Ewoks started kicking ass before Palpatine died. I like to think of it as he shifted his focus to trying to turn Luke to the Dark Side, and his troops suffered for it.

 

[Damaramu]

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The Empire happened and everything turned to shit.

As pointed out earlier in this thread, the Empire really isn't that old. 17 years is enough time to turn everything in the galaxy to shit?

 

[Mattdotcom]

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According to George Lucas.

 

[Black Lushus]

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The Empire happened and everything turned to shit.

As pointed out earlier in this thread, the Empire really isn't that old. 17 years is enough time to turn everything in the galaxy to shit?

Palpatine was busy turning the Empire, whie it was still the Republic, to shit from behind the scenes all throughout...and most likely before...the PT. He set everything up to seamlessly fall in to place the way he wanted it.

 

[Molotov The Bear]

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_wars_books

Nicely ordered with overviews and links to each plot

Awesome. I used to love the Star Wars novels. I've only read a few though. I've read the Thrawn Trilogy (badass books btw), Shadows of the Empire and Tales from Jabba the Hutt's Palace (which includes bobba fett escaping the pit).

Anybody else want to recommend some of the books to read? Seems like from that list a lot of the books are written for children, at least a lot of the early pre-Episode 1 stuff.

I'll ask specifically though: New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force books? Good? Not good? What about the Old Republic books? I loved playing the video games set in the old republic.

New Jedi Order books - Fantastic, My favorite series of any kind ever. There are a lot of characters though and most people recommend you read other books first (I didnt and I did fine though).

My recommendations (in chronological order)

The Courtship of Princess Leia
I, Jedi
Callista Trilogy (Children of The Jedi, Darksaber, Planet of twilight - introduction of Jaina/Jacen solo)
Hand of Thrawn Duology
New Jedi Order

Legacy of the Force is great too, as is Fate of the Jedi so far.

The Dark Nest Trilogy is well, it's... something, but it's kinda needed to be read to really 'get' everything that happens in LOTF and beyond.

 

[Conspiracy_Victim]

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If you're going to read I, Jedi, I recommend reading the X-Wing series, since it sets up the characters for Jedi. Of course, I recommend reading that series anyway since it is that damn good. I also really liked the Han solo Trilogy (the one by A.C. Crispin, not the Han Solo Adventures) and seconding the Hand of Thrawn duology. Basically, you can't go wrong with Zahn or Stackpole.

Man, looking at that list shows me how much I haven't read of the EU.

 

[Rendclaw]

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That's not a bad thing. There are some EU novels that are absolute garbage.

 

[Robert]

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Well, the first part of Red Letter's AOTC review has been taken down due to a copyright claim from Cartoon Network.

 

[CBright7831]

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Well, the first part of Red Letter's AOTC review has been taken down due to a copyright claim from Cartoon Network.

What the hell did he copy from Cartoon Network?

 

[Black Lushus]

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More Jar-Jar stepping in poop and getting farted on by weird animals type silliness coming our way very soon! Get excited!

 

[BurningPirateShipSex]

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http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b175087_from_jar_jar_har-harmdashhere_comes.html
Yes, George Lucas is really going there.

In the latest attempt to wring every possible cent out of Star Wars, the head Jedi has announced plans to spin off an untitled animated comedy series that "will look at the saga's characters with a playful and irreverent tone," per Lucasfilm.

Helping to oversee the hijinks will be former Scoobster Seth Green, who's earned Emmy nods for spoofing the Skywalker gang in his Robot Chicken.

"It's crazy to think that there aren't normal, mundane everyday problems in a world so well-defined," says Green, hinting at the show's premise. "What do these characters do when they're not overthrowing Empires?"

No word on which network will air the new comedy, but Lucasfilm shot down speculation that there would be crossover between the Star Wars sitcom and the hit Cartoon Network series Clone Wars.

Color us skeptical, but hey, it can't suck any worse than that holiday special. Right...right?!

WHY

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

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If it is Robot Chicken-esque, I'd watch. I've enjoyed pretty much all of their Star Wars stuff.

 

[Black Lushus]

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http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b175087_from_jar_jar_har-harmdashhere_comes.html
Yes, George Lucas is really going there.

In the latest attempt to wring every possible cent out of Star Wars, the head Jedi has announced plans to spin off an untitled animated comedy series that "will look at the saga's characters with a playful and irreverent tone," per Lucasfilm.

Helping to oversee the hijinks will be former Scoobster Seth Green, who's earned Emmy nods for spoofing the Skywalker gang in his Robot Chicken.

"It's crazy to think that there aren't normal, mundane everyday problems in a world so well-defined," says Green, hinting at the show's premise. "What do these characters do when they're not overthrowing Empires?"

No word on which network will air the new comedy, but Lucasfilm shot down speculation that there would be crossover between the Star Wars sitcom and the hit Cartoon Network series Clone Wars.

Color us skeptical, but hey, it can't suck any worse than that holiday special. Right...right?!

WHY

Hey! break your own news story!

 

[CBright7831]

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It's really hard to defend Lucas sometimes....it really is. :-\

 

[Sex Machine Gun]

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"What's the deal with spaceliner peanuts?"

 

[Anakin Flair]

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I'll ask specifically though: New Jedi Order and Legacy of the Force books? Good? Not good? What about the Old Republic books? I loved playing the video games set in the old republic.

I'll throw my hat in here. I found the New Jedi Order books to be enjoyable enough, but it is a LONG read to read all of them. Also,

Spoiler

from what I've heard, Lucas suddenly got involved with the story around Star By Star and dictated that Anakin Solo be killed off, as he felt his audience would get to confused with two Anakins in hte popular media at the same time. Hence why Anakin was given a heroic death despitethe first half of the series, and the last 2 books specifically, building him up to be the next Luke Skywalker. Worst fucking decision ever.

As for Legacy of the Force- well, they were fairly good writing wise, but there are several plots to keep track of (Karen Traviss' books are pretty much all Mando, not that I minded). The biggest problem of the series was

Spoiler

Jacen Solo, who became the new hope of the Jedi after Anakin, finally falls to the Dark Side and become a Sith Lord, thus destroying the heroic reputation he earned in the NJO series.

All in all, I'd recomend the NJO, but read Legacy of the Force at your own peril.

 

[Molotov The Bear]

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I'll throw my hat in here. I found the New Jedi Order books to be enjoyable enough, but it is a LONG read to read all of them. Also,

Spoiler

from what I've heard, Lucas suddenly got involved with the story around Star By Star and dictated that Anakin Solo be killed off, as he felt his audience would get to confused with two Anakins in hte popular media at the same time. Hence why Anakin was given a heroic death despitethe first half of the series, and the last 2 books specifically, building him up to be the next Luke Skywalker. Worst fucking decision ever.

As for Legacy of the Force- well, they were fairly good writing wise, but there are several plots to keep track of (Karen Traviss' books are pretty much all Mando, not that I minded). The biggest problem of the series was

Spoiler

Jacen Solo, who became the new hope of the Jedi after Anakin, finally falls to the Dark Side and become a Sith Lord, thus destroying the heroic reputation he earned in the NJO series.

All in all, I'd recomend the NJO, but read Legacy of the Force at your own peril.

Both of those things made absolute sense in the context of the story.

Spoiler

Anakin dying might have been a plot point dictated by Lucas (and a bad one at that, for the reasons at least) but it continued to prove that this was WAR and ANYTHING could happen. Something not many of the books or series are willing to do.

As for Jacen, he was never going to be the 'Hero.' He was screwed with so badly during the NJO that there was no way he wasnt going to end up as the next Darth Vader. It just made sense. Keep in mind he disappeared for five years and (up until this recent series) nobody knew where or what he'd been up to. As bad as the Dark Nest Trilogy is, you can see the hints there, the way he acts, the things he does, he's practically already a 'sith' during that time. Lumiya just pushed him over the edge.

Jacen's one of my favorite characters, but he was destined to turn out the way he did.

Also, if it wasnt Jacen it would've been Anakin. They were already hinting at THAT during his attempt to rescue Tahiri. Personally, I think it worked better being Jacen.

 

[Rendclaw]

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I'm reading the fifth book in the Republic Commando series, I'm four chapters in and I *love* it. Karen Traviss made something really good, and there would be another series to put on TV. The way the story unfolds its practically written for it.

 

[Anakin Flair]

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I'll throw my hat in here. I found the New Jedi Order books to be enjoyable enough, but it is a LONG read to read all of them. Also,

Spoiler

from what I've heard, Lucas suddenly got involved with the story around Star By Star and dictated that Anakin Solo be killed off, as he felt his audience would get to confused with two Anakins in hte popular media at the same time. Hence why Anakin was given a heroic death despitethe first half of the series, and the last 2 books specifically, building him up to be the next Luke Skywalker. Worst fucking decision ever.

As for Legacy of the Force- well, they were fairly good writing wise, but there are several plots to keep track of (Karen Traviss' books are pretty much all Mando, not that I minded). The biggest problem of the series was

Spoiler

Jacen Solo, who became the new hope of the Jedi after Anakin, finally falls to the Dark Side and become a Sith Lord, thus destroying the heroic reputation he earned in the NJO series.

All in all, I'd recomend the NJO, but read Legacy of the Force at your own peril.

Both of those things made absolute sense in the context of the story.

Spoiler

Anakin dying might have been a plot point dictated by Lucas (and a bad one at that, for the reasons at least) but it continued to prove that this was WAR and ANYTHING could happen. Something not many of the books or series are willing to do.

As for Jacen, he was never going to be the 'Hero.' He was screwed with so badly during the NJO that there was no way he wasnt going to end up as the next Darth Vader. It just made sense. Keep in mind he disappeared for five years and (up until this recent series) nobody knew where or what he'd been up to. As bad as the Dark Nest Trilogy is, you can see the hints there, the way he acts, the things he does, he's practically already a 'sith' during that time. Lumiya just pushed him over the edge.

Jacen's one of my favorite characters, but he was destined to turn out the way he did.

Also, if it wasnt Jacen it would've been Anakin. They were already hinting at THAT during his attempt to rescue Tahiri. Personally, I think it worked better being Jacen.

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But it could be said that, by the end of NJO, Jacen had overcome everything that had happened to him. Hence his ability to cure Luke and destroy Onimi the way he did. I do agree that the Dark Nest trilogy really showed his, ahem, dark side. That was one of many things I disliked about that series, along with some of the most powerful Jedi being mind controlled so easily.