The White Nationalist Scum News thread

[Broward83]

Lawyer: Riiiight, soooo...he's guilty. He did that shit. Deserves the death penalty.

Judge: *taken aback* Wow, I did nazi that coming.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

Trump begrudgingly "calls out" white supremacists, then turns around and says he is seriously considering pardoning Joe Arpaio.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

http://www.businessinsider.com/google-cancels-domain-registration-for-daily-stormer-2017-8

google kicked them off after they moved from godaddy as did a third service.

 

[909]

I know it might feel nice to tell yourselves that this only could happen down here but it's in every fucking place where you all live. This region simply has a multitude of symbols, flags, statues, and whateverthefuck that allow its unsavory elements to coalesce over certain causes. Isolating racism to the southern United States in the year 2017 is fucking ignorant and a disservice to those who suffer in all of this. "It's just the white people THERE that are the problem!" Get outta here with that told-you-so bullshit.

I do tell myself that it wouldn't happen here, because I know it wouldn't. We don't have statues of traitors around here that people can rally around.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-klan-rally-in-anaheim-erupts-in-violence-one-man-stabbed-20160227-story.html

Compare the crowd sizes there. There were six klansmen, or whatever you want to call them, there at this event. They were beat the fuck down and treated the way they deserved to be. There were no other white people there enabling them in the name of heritage. I also tell myself that events like Charlottesville wouldn't happen here because people aren't allowed to carry assault weapons in public. This is another one of those problems that is not an equal problem throughout the nation. We have different problems.

We also don't have a problem with having racist symbols to eras gone by displayed out in public here in Southern California. People don't tolerate that bullshit here. Of course there's racism everywhere, there certainly is here after all, but I don't know why it's hard for you to accept or understand that all parts of the country are not equal in this respect. The South is traditionally an area that has been brainwashed and conditioned to accept racist symbols as a fact of life, and I know from talking to some of you and from living there that people in the South are also afraid to talk about them critically in front of other people. Your anecdote about supposed liberals getting all up in their feelings about this tells me that there's a good reason people who are against them do not talk about them. It also tells me that the majority or people in the South are in favor of keeping symbols to black oppression. I have never once encountered this anywhere else I have lived.

 

[909]

Maybe the south is more racist, but not so much more that it's worth singling out. Personally, I've seen worse racism in the northeast despite spending as much time in the Southeast on various trips. I don't wanna let the worst of the bottom feeder Bills fans off the hook.

It's worth singling out because of the things I mentioned above and am about to mention. It's not automatically that it's "more racist," it's that the social structure breeds an ongoing pattern of racism and prevents social growth. The majority of people there are naturally resistant to growth and progression. I haven't lived in the Northeast, so I can't really judge in that respect, but if someone who lives there has anything comparable to this list I would like to hear about it.

A.) Open carry allows these people to gather with force and look as menacing as possible. Next time when counter protesters bring their own guns, there will be a lot of bloodshed.

B.) There are far more chapters for these organizations there. The organization is built in, and it's simple to network. Their dad's dad did this shit, their brother, etc. People are more sympathetic to the cause of a klansman. If you live in the wrong area you will be recruited or have it brought up to you by people you do not know. Happened to me. I didn't stay around there long enough to see them again, I was headed back to California anyway. In rural ass all-white northeast Arkansas, you couldn't even call it a secret. It's also more socially acceptable to display your artifacts, or whatever you want to call them. When I lived there, this guy who was on the corner of a two-lane highway and a back road had racist regalia all across his front porch. He also regularly had visitors when we drove by. This man was not ostracized the way you'd think.

C.) Symbols of oppression are more prevalent, people don't want to talk about them, and there's great resistance to tearing them down. I wonder why?

D.) The South's resistance and distrust of the federal government speaks for itself, as does the use of state and local government in the region. Southerners are not exactly big on compromising their beliefs. A war was fought over it and Southerners have resisted tons of the social changes in this country even though they're not supposed to. The institutional problems that create a klansman exist in general even to those who are not klansmen, it is what they are taught from birth. People are taught from birth the way things are, they are sent to church with other like-minded people to conform, and that's the way it is. It is not irreversible, but it needs to be discussed. The vast majority of Southerners simply do not want to talk about this and react in ways resembling what happened earlier in the thread. I do not have anything against anyone who reacts like that, but this is my perspective as somebody who lived there for a time.

I could actually go on and on about the ways Southerners resist change, but the most effective way of "keeping things the way they are" is through the educational system. Keep in mind that private schooling in the South is an option parents can choose to re-segregate their children from the general student population.

https://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2016/08/the-failures-of-southern-universities/497102/

http://www.southerneddesk.org/?p=2253

http://www.southerneducation.org/Our-Strategies/Research-and-Publications/Race-Ethnicity-Landing-Pages/A-History-of-Private-Schools-Race-in-the-American.aspx

Changing areas the way I did 15 years ago was valuable in my growth as a person (it required many years of hindsight, though) and gave me life experience I wouldn't change for anything. In my experience many social stereotypes people hold for each region are true. Most Californians are elitist assholes and that's why I'm typing all this stuff right now. We also talk about any subject without anything being taboo, and we get up in each other's business. We gossip about each other. Most Southerners also fit their stereotype. They are conservative to a fault and do not react well to outsiders, much less ones who question their way of life. You are 100% expected to maintain social normalities, which is why we have members here (looking at tekcop) who refuse to confront their relatives or people they know about these matters, no matter what lines they step over. Everyone is supposed to stay in their lane.

I expect this post won't go over well, but we should talk about these things.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

In fact, many of the racial injustices we associate with the South are actually worse in the North. Housing segregation between black and white residents, for instance, is most pervasive above the Mason-Dixon line. Of America’s 25 most racially segregated metropolitan areas, just five are in the South; Northern cities — Detroit, Milwaukee and New York — top the list. Segregation in Northern metro areas has declined a bit since 1990, but an analysis of 2010 census data found that Detroit’s level of segregation, for instance, is nearly twice as high as Charleston’s.

Education remains separate and unequal nearly everywhere in the United States, but Confederate-flag-waving Southerners aren’t responsible for the most racially divided schools. That title goes to New York, where 64 percent of black students attend schools with few, if any, white students, according to a recent report by the Civil Rights Project. In fact, the Northeast is the only region where the percentage of black students in extremely segregated schools — those where at least 90 percent of students are minorities — is higher than it was in the 1960s. Schools in the South, on the other hand, saw the segregation of black students drop 56 percent between 1968 and 2011.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/its-not-dixies-fault/2015/07/17/7bf77a2e-2bd6-11e5-bd33-395c05608059_story.html?utm_term=.47bf019354f6

The northeast doesn't seem much better to me.

 

[bigolsmitty]

I don't really have a dog in this fight, but I'll just point out that there are lots of Confederate monuments outside of the south, even in places like Arizona which weren't states during the Civil War.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history/2015/07/civil_war_historical_markers_a_map_of_confederate_monuments_and_union_ones.html

 

[snuffbox]

Milwaukee is one of the worst cities in the US on race. The redneck numbers are yuge up here. Discrimination, violence, arrest rates, Confederate battle flags flying in many a front lawn.

Boston's race badness hasn't been a well kept secret.

Minnesota has been in the news repeatedly for this stuff lately.

Pretending isn't going to help. Ignoring the uncomfortable isn't going to help. The Republican Party continues to defend President Trump over this, it is a national problem, and we need to do what we can to help stop it

 

[909]

Yeah, for sure. I did say that other areas have their own problems.

 

[Damaramu]

Strangely most of the overt racist people I meet around here are old people that'll start sentences with "Now I'm not racist or anything.." or refer to black people as "Well spoken" as if that's a compliment they'd ever give to a white person.
Yes the racists are out there (just look at the fraternity at OU that got kicked off campus or the people holding the Confederate Flags when Obama showed up) but as far as my experiences go I don't run into too many that are just as out there with it as I see in other places.

Another part of it might be that we're part of the bible belt and these people are too concerned with who you're fucking to care about the color of your skin.

 

[AA484]

TL;DR post coming up - you're fairly warned.

I grew up in the western part of North Carolina in a high school that was fairly diverse racially. Encompassing the western part of the county (which was mostly rural) we were still mostly white with a decent percentage of these being of the "redneck" variety. Some came from some very poor areas - trailer parks, old farms, etc. My district also contained the west side of the city, which had a very large black population. I grew up with many of these kids since I lived right outside the city limits and was in the same elementary and middle schools. We also had a large influx of Hispanic and Asian immigrants around middle school which led to our class having a very diverse mixture of races and cultures.

Everyone got along fairly well and confrontations between groups was few and far between. Having a large amount of rural whites in a southern county also meant lots of rebel flags. Generally, it was banned from clothing although this was laxly enforced. Overall, the black students didn't really pay attention to it. Whether this was because of apathy or ignorance as to the flag's meaning, I'm not sure, but in any case it wasn't something that led to much disagreement. In southern states, especially among rural white high schoolers, the rebel flag was "cool." Nobody was educated enough to know any better and if they were, they did a good job of hiding it. It was just a symbol that was like a middle finger to authority, not necessarily something that they used as any kind of representation of white supremacy. To be perfectly honest, I even had a rebel flag on my car in high school, a small sticker about the size of half a dollar bill. It was next to a bunch of NASCAR stickers and I remembered thinking "Man, I am cool! I have this black Monte Carlo with these rad Dale Earnhardt and rebel flag stickers! Fuck the man, I'm a rebel." This was actually a lot less than others did. Huge flags hanging from trucks, flags emblazoned front and center on t-shirts and ball caps, tattoos, etc. I (and others , although certainly not all) weren't racist, but in hindsight I can see where some could paint me as such and as a result am a bit ashamed of that little sticker, although more on that later.

Around this time (16-17 years old) I became very interested in history, particularly the Civil War. I grew up in the south, and the impression that myself and others got (reinforced in school) was that the war started because the south was sick of northern oppression and wanted to form their own country free of this oppression. Slavery was just a periphery cause and besides, most soldiers didn't own them, right? Well, the more I read the more I became to realize that the war was about slavery, specifically the preservation of it. That some fought for other reasons was irrelevant because the overall goal of the south was to win the war in order to preserve slavery. All of a sudden, the rebel flag wasn't so "cool." As I went on to college and left the bubble of my rural, white surroundings, I encountered people who reinforced this mindset. The flag was a symbol of hatred to many of them. Not only that, but the monuments were also symbols of hatred. As someone who had non-slaveholding ancestors fight (and die) in the war in the south (in addition to others in the North - my great-great-great-great grandfather was killed in the War fighting for the Union), it raised another question in my mind about how the veterans - and monuments - should be treated.

In a way, I sympathize with many of the fighting men of the south. Most did not own slaves and it's arguable that most fought to protect their homes from Northern invasion, even if that invasion was caused by the slaveholding gentry and politicians bringing the southern states into war. But at the same time, these people probably held no great affection for the black race. If confronted with the question of whether they should remain enslaved most would probably answer in the affirmative. However, this was the way these people were brought up and it was ingrained in their minds since birth. I don't think it necessarily classifies them as evil; if we were born in the middle of some war-torn Middle Eastern country, who's to say we wouldn't grow up to be terrorists or suicide bombers? It's intriguing to think about. My direct descendant who fought for the Confederacy eventually deserted. He was a farmer from Western North Carolina who owned no slaves and whose home was geographically isolated from most of the conflict. He saw no reason to continue fighting, especially after Confederate guerillas in the area began tormenting local families to find draft dodgers and other deserters. Some in the family look at this with disgust; others, like myself, almost view it now with a sense of pride. I have no idea about his personal views on slavery but it's at least a bit heartening to me that he saw the worthlessness of the cause and decided to abandon it.

With all this said, the Confederate flag is now used as a symbol of hatred more than perceived "heritage" by most of those who wave it. Even using "heritage" as an excuse is worthless because the Confederacy was fighting for the rights to keep other men enslaved. I don't have a problem with monuments being toppled as I believe that we as a country are better than memorializing people who fought to tear the country apart and - even worse - keep human beings enslaved. I look back on my time in high school as most do: I was a stupid kid, I made a few bad decisions, but I like to feel like I'm better because I took the effort to learn more and adjust my views. I don't know how this will fly with some of you. Maybe Kotz can add to this being southerner himself (although very different from me), but for me, personally, it was something I just felt like sharing.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

I grew up in the south, and the impression that myself and others got (reinforced in school) was that the war started because the south was sick of northern oppression and wanted to form their own country free of this oppression.

holy shit that's some propaganda straight out of the ISIS playbook.

great post, btw. definitely glad you didn't pare it down.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

I watched this documentary once about Lee Atwater

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/atwater/

One of the southern scholars, in his deep southern voice, said something along the lines of the south being "the only part of the United States of America to unequivocally lose and surrender in a war."

I mention his southernness because you could tell he felt pained in relaying that information.

I feel like the effects of that run deep through a region's psyche, and it's one of the things Atwater exploited. That documentary is worth watching btw, it's only about an hour. It p. much outlines the rise of white rage but specifically southern white rage and how that was exploited by Republicans for about 35 years.

I saw it about half a decade ago, when Obama was clearly going to be re-elected and the effects of all that propaganda seemed to be wearing off of the American fabric but uhhh NOPE this shit is more relevant than ever I think I might watch it again.

 

[909]

Everyone got along fairly well and confrontations between groups was few and far between. Having a large amount of rural whites in a southern county also meant lots of rebel flags. Generally, it was banned from clothing although this was laxly enforced. Overall, the black students didn't really pay attention to it. Whether this was because of apathy or ignorance as to the flag's meaning, I'm not sure, but in any case it wasn't something that led to much disagreement. In southern states, especially among rural white high schoolers, the rebel flag was "cool." Nobody was educated enough to know any better and if they were, they did a good job of hiding it. It was just a symbol that was like a middle finger to authority, not necessarily something that they used as any kind of representation of white supremacy. To be perfectly honest, I even had a rebel flag on my car in high school, a small sticker about the size of half a dollar bill. It was next to a bunch of NASCAR stickers and I remembered thinking "Man, I am cool! I have this black Monte Carlo with these rad Dale Earnhardt and rebel flag stickers! Fuck the man, I'm a rebel." This was actually a lot less than others did. Huge flags hanging from trucks, flags emblazoned front and center on t-shirts and ball caps, tattoos, etc. I (and others , although certainly not all) weren't racist, but in hindsight I can see where some could paint me as such and as a result am a bit ashamed of that little sticker, although more on that later.

You shouldn't be ashamed at all because after all you were too young to know better. A lot of people don't understand the concept of brainwashing the way it exists in the school system there unless you went to school there. I'm glad you shared your story.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/durham-arrests/537015/

people took down confederate statues in Durham and now they're getting arrested. This woman didn't even take it down, just put a rope on it. But I guess anyone who was part of the process...they value their confederate legacy over there, don't fuck with it outside of due process.

Don't get arrested, AA.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Cooper also said legislators should reject a bill, currently under consideration, that would grant immunity to drivers who strike protesters in streets.

...alright seriously, wtf is going on.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/08/durham-arrests/537015/

people took down confederate statues in Durham and now they're getting arrested. This woman didn't even take it down, just put a rope on it. But I guess anyone who was part of the process...they value their confederate legacy over there, don't fuck with it outside of due process.

Don't get arrested, AA.

We got a good JR clip out of it tho

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

great post by AA just wanted to say.

 

[AA484]

These are the same idiots that passed the bathroom bill that took millions of dollars away from the state.

Also, there is a big Confederate monument in front of the capital building in Raleigh. It's gonna be curious to see what, of anything, happens to it the next few weeks.

 

[Kageho]

Thanks for your story AA. Gives me a perspective I hadn't thought about before. Thank you.

 

[snuffbox]

Good post, AA. There is nothing wrong with being a human being growing, maturing, and learning from the life that surrounds you.

Anybody still supporting dear leader Trump after today is absolutely, unarguably a racist, anti-American, and not quite human.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://twitter.com/Pit_Master/status/897575535651414016




the dude's whole timeline over the past few hours is a mess.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/897779116291768320

Say what you will about Kasich, but he's the only republican who shit on Trump from the start.

 

[BruiserBrody]

https://www.deathandtaxesmag.com/341594/fox-news-video-plowing-car-protesters-daily-caller/?utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#link_time=1502897623

Here’s a compilation of liberal protesters getting pushed out of the way by cars and trucks. Study the technique; it may prove useful in the next four years.

--
Rush Limbaugh
Hillary Clinton has just given $800,000 from her campaign fund to the Trump resistance movement, which is what's funding all of these rent-a-thugs. It's all a left-wing movement, and it's all organized.

 

[DMann1979]

https://twitter.com/TODAYshow/status/897779116291768320

Say what you will about Kasich, but he's the only republican who shit on Trump from the start.

He's my state governor and I can say a lot critical about him but A-Fucking-Men he has never waivered from his Anti-Trump stance and I applaud him for that.

 

[rollie]

Btw I can't stop laughing at that nazi running away from the guy with his hands up in the video DubQ posted:

[not gonna quote the image]

because I keep thinking of:

Pretty sure that guy is the Tyler Magill written about in this article http://www.palmerreport.com/politics/charlottesville-icu-beaten-by-nazis/4336/
He did the "Cows are the silent jury in the trial of mankind" facebook (which I came across from an image on this forum)
On the plus side in the smallest "the world isn't completely fucked" moment his 50k of medical bills were crowd funded in about an hour

 

[snuffbox]

Were Kasich and Jeb Bush the only Republicans who never bent over for dear leader Trump?

 

[bigolsmitty]

I grew up in the south, and the impression that myself and others got (reinforced in school) was that the war started because the south was sick of northern oppression and wanted to form their own country free of this oppression.

holy shit that's some propaganda straight out of the ISIS playbook.

great post, btw. definitely glad you didn't pare it down.

On a further point, the dominant historical thesis on Reconstruction (the period following the Civil War when the North occupied the South and empowered freed slaves) was the Dunning School, which taught the following to school children and university students ALL OVER AMERICA:

All agreed that black suffrage had been a political blunder and that the Republican state governments in the South that rested upon black votes had been corrupt, extravagant, unrepresentative, and oppressive. The sympathies of the "Dunningite" historians lay with the white Southerners who resisted Congressional Reconstruction: whites who, organizing under the banner of the Conservative or Democratic Party, used legal opposition and extralegal violence to oust the Republicans from state power. Although "Dunningite" historians did not necessarily endorse those extralegal methods, they did tend to palliate them. From start to finish, they argued, Congressional Reconstruction—often dubbed "Radical Reconstruction"—lacked political wisdom and legitimacy.[1]

I got into my very left-wing, civil rights marching father in law about a more modern book I was reading on Reconstruction and even he still basically believed the Dunning School line on the era, because that's what he learned growing up and going to a college in ILLINOIS.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Were Kasich and Jeb Bush the only Republicans who never bent over for dear leader Trump?

I think so. Then there's guys like Lindsey fake hustle Graham

 

[AA484]

I grew up in the south, and the impression that myself and others got (reinforced in school) was that the war started because the south was sick of northern oppression and wanted to form their own country free of this oppression.

holy shit that's some propaganda straight out of the ISIS playbook.

great post, btw. definitely glad you didn't pare it down.

On a further point, the dominant historical thesis on Reconstruction (the period following the Civil War when the North occupied the South and empowered freed slaves) was the Dunning School, which taught the following to school children and university students ALL OVER AMERICA:

All agreed that black suffrage had been a political blunder and that the Republican state governments in the South that rested upon black votes had been corrupt, extravagant, unrepresentative, and oppressive. The sympathies of the "Dunningite" historians lay with the white Southerners who resisted Congressional Reconstruction: whites who, organizing under the banner of the Conservative or Democratic Party, used legal opposition and extralegal violence to oust the Republicans from state power. Although "Dunningite" historians did not necessarily endorse those extralegal methods, they did tend to palliate them. From start to finish, they argued, Congressional Reconstruction—often dubbed "Radical Reconstruction"—lacked political wisdom and legitimacy.[1]

I got into my very left-wing, civil rights marching father in law about a more modern book I was reading on Reconstruction and even he still basically believed the Dunning School line on the era, because that's what he learned growing up and going to a college in ILLINOIS.

Even though this line of thinking has slowed up in recent years (decades?), it was still promoted for several generations after the civil war, thus leading parents to pass it down to their children, etc. I arguably live in the most liberal state in the south, I can only imagine if my family had stayed in Alabama or Tennessee where I lived as a tot.