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The right stick method is a bit tricky because you've got to anticipate his shoot in on you. If you do it too late it doesn't really do much..also I think the strength of each person along with their takedown off/def that determines if you block them or vice versa.
 

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Lei Tong said:
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Sounds like a fair fight. What's with this suggestion of you apologizing?

I was just fucking around with the "aggressive meathead" stereotype that many people hold of those who train in BJJ and/or MMA.

Trust me, I am not a meathead. Agressive, maybe.

There was no problem, Broward. It just happened that before our match, I had a match with Lei Tong who also picked Karo and basically raped Anthony Johnson on the ground. I need to stop picking these boxers/kickboxers/wrestlers.
 

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Broward83 said:
The right stick method is a bit tricky because you've got to anticipate his shoot in on you. If you do it too late it doesn't really do much..also I think the strength of each person along with their takedown off/def that determines if you block them or vice versa.

So since my guy's still in create mode, max out my strength then and have no problems with that? I can stand to lose from speed and cardio, since I got those up to 95, so its not too big of a deal if I lower them.
 

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Kageho said:
Broward83 said:
The right stick method is a bit tricky because you've got to anticipate his shoot in on you. If you do it too late it doesn't really do much..also I think the strength of each person along with their takedown off/def that determines if you block them or vice versa.

So since my guy's still in create mode, max out my strength then and have no problems with that? I can stand to lose from speed and cardio, since I got those up to 95, so its not too big of a deal if I lower them.
Not necessarily. You still have to be able to rotate the stick well, or tap the buttons fast.

Alright, here's my take on it, and it's explained in the tutorials, but I've seen a lot of people complain about being submitted to quickly/early, and I'm guessing they don't get it. If you rotate the stick, "the shine" as it's being called everywhere, it lowers your chances of actually accomplishing what you're trying to do whether it be submission or takedown whatever. Tapping all 4 buttons rapidly raises the chances. So as geeky as it may seem putting that mathematically, rotating the stick vs pressing the buttons, you have a 25% chance of winning with the stick and a 75% chance of winning by pressing the buttons essentially. The only advantage is that the stick puts you in a better position if you do in fact win. If you're both using the stick, or both tapping the buttons, then it's 50/50 and stats play the largest part (as well as how fast you tap/rotate)

Don't know how well I explained that, but in short, it's much better/far more successful to just tap the buttons. It's just that I've seen people use Lesnar, and try rotating the stick to get out of a submission, and then are mad when they're submitted in the first 2 minutes of the match. In the above case, you shouldn't be rotating the stick if your guy has say 45 takedown offense, and you're facing a guy with 90 takedown defense. If the stats are vice versa, then that 25% chance goes up so then it's ok to use it. (Although I personally still use the buttons because why not take the raised 75, over the raised 25?)

And yea, that was a mini rant, but I'm going crazy not being able play myself :(, or at least on my own console. Damn Microsoft needs to hurry up. But hopefully that proves helpful, and explain a little better the tapping/rotating dynamic.
 

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I was always under the impression that the stick and buttons are the two halves of the same basic function. The stick should only be used for submission guys since it's basically the "technical" side of submissions. While the buttons are meant for "power" side of submissions. It's the difference between say...Nogueira going for a triangle on the bottom compared to Matt Hughes grabbing a RNC. Same system, but where as Nog uses technical abilities, Hughes just would grab and put as much power on it as possible.

So if you try to use the stick to apply a submission with a guy like Brock Lesnar, or escape, you probably will not get it/be subbed, because Lesnar sucks at it. But if you tap the buttons to escape, Lesnar's insane power kicks in and he should be able to escape. But stats do play a part, and you can't complain about Brock being submitted when I believe he has the worst submission defense in the game. He's only ever fought one guy who attempted to submit him, and that guy (Mir) succeeded in it.
 

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The way I read it in the tutorial, if you have a high Strength rating, mashing the buttons is the better way to escape and if you have a high cardio and submission escape rating, then twirling the stick is better.
 
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That's for escaping, but what about application? I have high strength and submission stats, yet in career mode on beginner, I can't get to the 3rd and final phase of a submission hold. I can tap human players and the CPU up to advanced (but not expert), just not guys in career mode. I need the "Submission of the Night" trophy for the achievement, damn it.
 

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Fuck my priorities. I bought it.

Avenged Immortal is the Xbox live tag for house...which will pretty much just be me playing it
 

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Matt Young said:
That's for escaping, but what about application? I have high strength and submission stats, yet in career mode on beginner, I can't get to the 3rd and final phase of a submission hold. I can tap human players and the CPU up to advanced (but not expert), just not guys in career mode. I need the "Submission of the Night" trophy for the achievement, damn it.

If you just want the trophy: beat the snot out of your opponent with striking until he's rocked, then take him down and slap on a kneebar.
 
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I tried that, though not with a kneebar. No stamina and rocked, against 2 different fighters, and I couldn't lock on the hold. I know I'm doing it right; it's just harder in career.
 

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I usually get mount, beat the shit out of them and once they're stunned I slap on the rambar.
 

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I usually get knocked out...pretty quickly...
 

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So I retired the Middleweight champion with two successful defenses and a 25-10 record. I think I'll go for the lightweight belt next.
 

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I've still yet to tap anyone, but I'm fucking awesome with stand up and ground and pound. I work fights trying to set up the submission and I just end up knocking dudes out, which is all hell of a frustration. I'm going to freak out so hard when I actually make someone quit.
 

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I'm 11-3

losses to
-Serra, KO
-Koscheck, KO
-Ben goddamn Saunders, submission

Wins over Karo, M. Davis, and Swick.

I pretty much get my wins by KO using kickboxing with wrestling. Still can't get submissions
 

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I don't know why but Koschek in my Welterweight game always had made me get KO'd, haven't fought him recently, but since I hold the belt and his ranking is rising I'm assuming its only a matter of time.

I've been finding with my Welterweight that ever since I brought up my kicking power to 70 that I'm using a lot more kicks to my game. And also as a boxer, I should never ever get in the clinch and try throwing elbows, they nearly never land.

Also does the game just end in 8 years? I'm in year 6 right now and my fight level is no where near the same as my Lightweight, but I'm beginning to wonder if all that matters is making it to that 8th year or not.
 

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So I fought someone in a ranked match...their 95 rated CAF against Hendo.

:55 left in the 3rd, I go for a kneebar...he tech's out of it and gets into side-control with like, :40 left.

I then hold him in side position for the :40 and win a UD.. 27-29, 28-29, 28-29.

I'm a bad person, aren't I?
 

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Ye, but only because you used Henderson.
 

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How fast do you have to rock the right stick or how much button mashing does it take to get out of a sub
 

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Is it rocking the stick or spinning the stick? I have blisters on my palm from spinning the stick. (Insert masturbation joke)
 

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Yeah. Spinning the stick. Using my CAF. I'm getting my knockouts, so I know I need tn work on my D. Just wondering how fast I need to go. Do it faster as my stats are lower? I don't want to break my controller
 

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Youth N Asia said:
How fast do you have to rock the right stick or how much BUTTon mashing does it take to get out of a sub

Its better to just button mass the hell out of the controller. Rotating just doens't seem to work at all.
 

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Do I need to hit all four buttons or will using two work? The tutorial wasn't very helpful
 

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So I just had a LHW Ranked match..

Tito Ortiz (me) VS Rashad Evans.

28-28 across the card for a draw.
 

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Holy shit does the AI suck for CAFs or what? I created a a quick Gomi... Kickboxing/BJJ... he never takes it to the crown, and throws the same 2 jab, straight, inside leg kick combo, and the occasional high kick. After this I decided to play against myself and my style was Judo/Kickboxing... and for some reason all I do is double legs... No fucking Judo, no fucking kickboxing... I'm a fucking blanket, the weakest part of my game yet the comp thinks Level 4 Judo, Level 3 kickboxing = Double leg machine that never gasses. I played against all the other ones to make sure.

Fuck, and I was just getting ready to create a lot of different guys for fun... but they all play the same way. BJJ = keep it standing. Judo = become high school wrestler who gets picked apart and doesn't understand circling or defense. Wrestling = Rarely get taken down, fight like the retarded Sherk we've seen in his last three fights. Standing style didn't make a difference as my Muay Thai guy didn't even go for the clinch and fought like a drunken Jardine going for leg kicks way out of range.
 

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Kickboxing/BJJ for Gomi? I think the AI was just punishing you for trying to lie.
 

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KOAB said:
Holy shit does the AI suck for CAFs or what? I created a a quick Gomi... Kickboxing/BJJ... he never takes it to the crown, and throws the same 2 jab, straight, inside leg kick combo, and the occasional high kick. After this I decided to play against myself and my style was Judo/Kickboxing... and for some reason all I do is double legs... No fucking Judo, no fucking kickboxing... I'm a fucking blanket, the weakest part of my game yet the comp thinks Level 4 Judo, Level 3 kickboxing = Double leg machine that never gasses. I played against all the other ones to make sure.

Fuck, and I was just getting ready to create a lot of different guys for fun... but they all play the same way. BJJ = keep it standing. Judo = become high school wrestler who gets picked apart and doesn't understand circling or defense. Wrestling = Rarely get taken down, fight like the retarded Sherk we've seen in his last three fights. Standing style didn't make a difference as my Muay Thai guy didn't even go for the clinch and fought like a drunken Jardine going for leg kicks way out of range.
Are you fighting them on expert?
 
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