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WWE in Winter 2023-24: CM Punk is All Entertainment.

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Jesus just send ROH library to Tubi and move on, there’s like 485 people who are clamoring for instant access to Grizzly Redwood’s greatest hits.

Full disclosure: that includes me on the waiting list
 

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Wait. Why is this in the WWE thread? We should probably have a TV rights thread so we can get back to talking about the real wrestling sports entertainment.
 

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It's funny and impacts WWE. Somehow.
 

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He watched Jerry Lynn's title win and didn't start up again until Adam Cole joined the promotion.
 

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He probably watched more than we think, honestly. You know he had Flair show up as a spy before Flair blew it.
 

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I honestly think he probably binge watched the competition until the age his kids started participating in extracurricular activities (which weirdly almost coincides when AEW started).

Idk. Maybe he only watched old stuff or just whatever non wrestling stuff Stephanie wanted to watch. I just like the idea of Triple H stone faced trying to make sense of the Aces & Eights storyline.
 

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Ya know. WWE acknowledging TNA’s existence and their historical influence coincides with Triple H being a leading voice in WWE’s creative direction.

Induct Trinity into the WWE Hall of Fame, Hunter.
 

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People said part of the thing with Punk in WWE is that it would be more structured, and more structure sucks from a creative standpoint but it does prevent this guy from getting so mad he attacks people. Idk if it's a good thing to not have a producer in there with someone that volatile.
 

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People said part of the thing with Punk in WWE is that it would be more structured, and more structure sucks from a creative standpoint but it does prevent this guy from getting so mad he attacks people. Idk if it's a good thing to not have a producer in there with someone that volatile.

Big difference between Rollins and Punk working on that segment together to figure out what would be said vs Hangman Page coming up with this “You’re ruining AEW and I’m going to save it from you” storyline all on his own and unveiling it live in the ring totally unbeknownst to Punk.
 

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It shows, though. The problem is you can't begin with Seth going on the profanity tirade and then scale back to super basic but just yelling, and then have Punk being all "that's just your like you're opinion, man. Btw I'm in the Rumble." It'd be like after Bret's rant he came out the next week and called Austin a big dummy.

It's like a PG-13 remake of a rated R horror movie. I get it, the undercurrent of Seth being Mox's bro and the ultimate company man so it should carry weight, but they need to make the hate happen and not make it just a louder version of someone calling Cena out for leaving for Hollywood and coming back like nothing.
 

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The vague tweet that Dave sent out yesterday is about WBD per Sean Ross Sapp.

  • Sean says the rumor is that WBD contacted WWE to set up a meeting, presumably with Nick Khan, Triple H, and Mark Shapir
    • He says this rumor came from within Punk’s camp and that it is NOT verified
 

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I was kind of wondering that but it easily sounds like a lost in translation thing too.
 

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It shows, though. The problem is you can't begin with Seth going on the profanity tirade and then scale back to super basic but just yelling, and then have Punk being all "that's just your like you're opinion, man. Btw I'm in the Rumble." It'd be like after Bret's rant he came out the next week and called Austin a big dummy.

It's like a PG-13 remake of a rated R horror movie. I get it, the undercurrent of Seth being Mox's bro and the ultimate company man so it should carry weight, but they need to make the hate happen and not make it just a louder version of someone calling Cena out for leaving for Hollywood and coming back like nothing.

We’re in December. The match presumably isn’t until April. They can’t immediately start off at 100mph with them screaming their hate for each other and getting low down and personal because where do you go from there? It needs to be built up. Seth’s reaction at Survivor Series was a tease to begin building anticipation — which it did very very effectively. But that was the initial tease to make the fan base go “oh shit, Seth really hates Punk, huh?” and now it’s time to build up the rivalry slowly from that foundation to explain why the feelings are what they are. No doubt it’s going to escalate to a more personal feud in the upcoming months. If they went out last night and just went nuts ripping each other, the complaint would ultimately be that the feud was anti-climactic and blew its load too quickly because again, we have four months until we get to the showdown. I can’t believe people are expecting them to reveal their entire complete hand regarding Punk’s character and his feud with Seth so immediately.
 

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That's worse, though. If you start it in third gear, you can't scale back to first and make it work. If the entire point is that we know they hate each other, they shouldn't need to actually do much to build to anything. If the goal was build up to something, they should've kept them away from each other after Survivor Series to at least get some intrigue. Now they have nowhere to go that feels authentic. Good WWE sports entertainment but bad wrestling booking. Trying to escalate a feud you almost immediately decide to start over is just bad, especially with this. It isn't a hate feud anymore, it's just a wrestling feud with guys who haven't interacted since they were practically different people. Which is fine, but they chose the road of diminishing returns deliberately and immediately made the notion of four months of build feel --the next month and a half alone-- feel like a downhill slide.

Anyone who would complain about them starting it off hot is an idiot. That was literally what everyone watched for and what they expected. Fire. Something out of the gate to make people want to see the hate fight. If people are into just a super watered down version, which will absolutely have good moments, that's fine. But they completely decided to trip themselves and it's hurt the longevity unless it escalates immediately. To be honest it's done more disservice by having everything be so telegraphed into it being a certainty for the biggest show instead of a possibility. The whole thing just will never get back the most important moment back.
 

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PWInsider.com can confirm that this past Monday morning TKO's Marc Shapiro as well as WWE's Nick Khan and Paul Levesque were in NYC at the Warner Bros. Discovery headquarters meeting with WBD executive Bruce Campbell about potentially moving Raw to the WBD family.

 

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It could very well be just a scare tactic like when the Khans teased throwing their name in the hat to purchase WWE before the TKO thing.
 
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