2016 Election Thread (ROUND FIVE!)

[Mickey Massuco]

Based on what the leadership is saying and how the people on the ground are reacting, it seems like the message has been received.

The DNC was toxic and will be blown up because there's no Hillary institutional bias there anymore. We will see how they rebound, but having faith in the DNC also gave us Obama. It seems silly and hyper-reactionary to think that they'll be fucked long-term.

Unless Byron or KOAB tell me so, then I'll believe it.

 

[Damaramu]

Perhaps the left needs to learn how to use fear mongering like the right did.

How many times did they say Hillary was after their guns? It wasn't true and nobody has ever said that. But the right used it to get their base worked up.

Also I've realized liberals need to stop being such pussies. Stop standing around holding hands and having peaceful protests. Stop protesting shit. Start doing something.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

They need someone like Omar Little

 

[Mickey Massuco]

Also I've realized liberals need to stop being such pussies. Stop standing around holding hands and having peaceful protests. Stop protesting shit. Start doing something.

Attitudes like this are becoming more prevalent, that's a good thing. People are waking up. The liberal bubble they thought they lived in doesn't exist.

This board was aware of that for a long time, imagine if we put it on speaker phone.

They need someone like Omar Little

I'd vote for Slim Charles. He seems better at reaching across the aisle.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Slim Charles the most pragmatic dude ever

 

[BUTT]

We need a young Bernie. Or at least someone people can get enthusiastic about. That shit is probably more important than actual plans.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Fetterman_(politician)

I voted for this guy in the Senate primary but he came in third. Only statewide candidate in PA to endorse Bernie but Bernie didn't endorse him back

If voters like strength how about a guy who's built like Vader and has a hot Brazilian wife (at least I think she is, don't come in here with your sharp knees comments).

All Dems rally behind our first hoss president (since Taft, but he wasn't tall enough to draw money)

 

[Damaramu]

This thing that's got me the most scared from this is still the Supreme Court.

 

[909]

@Nate_Cohn
Clinton suffered her biggest losses in the places where Obama was strongest among white voters. It's not a simple racism story

I wonder if people will be able to internalize that. People thought Obama had their back. He is still popular too. People did not think the same of Hillary.

I also saw a stat that said a lower percentage of white people voted for Trump than Romney. It turns out you actually have to have a reason to vote for someone, and voting against somebody is not a legitimate strategy.

 

[NoCalMike]

I am not sure why poor/working class and middle class folks think Trump has their back. He is part of the elite class. He is basically the comic book villain the Romney was portrayed as in the 2012 election. I understand why the right-wing would vote for him, but it's puzzling that people who voted for Obama, and then listened to Trump's babbling, actually thought "oh hey, he's looking out for me" Where in his lifetime does he have a pattern of looking out for normal every day folks? His economic policies certainly don't show that.

 

[still fly]

I am not sure why poor/working class and middle class folks think Trump has their back. He is part of the elite class. He is basically the comic book villain the Romney was portrayed as in the 2012 election. I understand why the right-wing would vote for him, but it's puzzling that people who voted for Obama, and then listened to Trump's babbling, actually thought "oh hey, he's looking out for me" Where in his lifetime does he have a pattern of looking out for normal every day folks? His economic policies certainly don't show that.

What have the Democrats done since the Great Society to help middle class folks?

 

[BruiserBrody]

Rush - One thing we can say for certain: Donald Trump didn't reach out to Hispanics to win this election, and he won the election. He didn't reject them; he went to everybody. He treated people as human beings. We're all Americans. We have similar values because we're Americans. It doesn't matter what our skin color is or gender or orientation. That's why he won. He didn't group-ify things, which is what both political parties have become.

He also called out the GOP for having no excuses now that they have full control. Michael Moore is calling for obstruction. Jim Cornette is going nuts. Bill Maher has gone silent.

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With the increased number of senators and governors again going towards the GOP, the left wing pickings become smaller. Voter suppression will continue.

 

[NoCalMike]

I am not sure why poor/working class and middle class folks think Trump has their back. He is part of the elite class. He is basically the comic book villain the Romney was portrayed as in the 2012 election. I understand why the right-wing would vote for him, but it's puzzling that people who voted for Obama, and then listened to Trump's babbling, actually thought "oh hey, he's looking out for me" Where in his lifetime does he have a pattern of looking out for normal every day folks? His economic policies certainly don't show that.

What have the Democrats done since the Great Society to help middle class folks?

Obama's stimulus package helped, no? Did Hillary not speak on doing the same kind of investment in our infrastructure? Did job creation not turn around under Obama's term? The consensus seems to be Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama, and I think he did a decent job.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

just realized, we officially have a WWE Hall of Famer as leader of the free world. also, the first president to take a stone cold stunner! what a world.

 

[AA484]

I don't think he stole a lot of voters that previously were with Obama. Most of the people I know from "back home" (rural NC) were ambivalent towards voting in general until Trump came along and started acting like he was Dusty Rhodes (no offense to Big Dust) incarnate for the working man. These aren't people who spend a lot of time on the internet to know a lot about -- or even really give a shit -- about Trump's past indiscretions with women, his bankruptcies, etc.. They just saw a guy who spoke to them when nobody had in years and it resonated. These are people from towns with little to no blacks, no LGBT population, and populated with women who are still stuck in 1960's doing the dishes/cooking workin' man's food bible thump mentality. They don't care about those issues. And we aren't talking all lower class here so the healthcare and minimum wage stuff doesn't directly affect them.

 

[Youth N Asia]

I am not sure why poor/working class and middle class folks think Trump has their back. He is part of the elite class. He is basically the comic book villain the Romney was portrayed as in the 2012 election. I understand why the right-wing would vote for him, but it's puzzling that people who voted for Obama, and then listened to Trump's babbling, actually thought "oh hey, he's looking out for me" Where in his lifetime does he have a pattern of looking out for normal every day folks? His economic policies certainly don't show that.

The republican banner alone means guns and god. That's enough for many people. Even if he's only been a republican for a few years.

 

[still fly]

Politics aside, Trump has taken on the media, the Clintons, the Obamas, the Bushes, the RNC, the DNC and Hollywood and even the NFL and has come out on top. It's the ultimate winning streak.

 

[Bored]

There's probably going to be recounts in Michigan and New Hampshire but it appears Trump will likely end up with 306 electoral votes. 300+ electoral votes and yet he loses the national vote. Yeah the Electoral College can get fucked.

 

[Damaramu]

I am not sure why poor/working class and middle class folks think Trump has their back. He is part of the elite class. He is basically the comic book villain the Romney was portrayed as in the 2012 election. I understand why the right-wing would vote for him, but it's puzzling that people who voted for Obama, and then listened to Trump's babbling, actually thought "oh hey, he's looking out for me" Where in his lifetime does he have a pattern of looking out for normal every day folks? His economic policies certainly don't show that.

What have the Democrats done since the Great Society to help middle class folks?

Obama's stimulus package helped, no? Did Hillary not speak on doing the same kind of investment in our infrastructure? Did job creation not turn around under Obama's term? The consensus seems to be Hillary would be a 3rd term of Obama, and I think he did a decent job.

Dadaramu and Mamaramu told me Obama is going to go down as the worst president in history. Several people at work told me he'll be known as "one of the worst". I just want to bang my head into something hearing this.


I am still holding out hope that Trump is a closet Democrat and most of his crazy stuff was just to trick the morons.

 

[Damaramu]

Also real talk. Is there anything Trump has promised to do that you think will be successful if he accomplishes it?

 

[909]

Nothing that will be successful, no. The Republicans won't pass some of his things, like his infrastructure plan. When they don't, he's gonna go fucking crazy.

But the wall will be built and that will placate a lot of people.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Republicans ain't gonna want to spend on a wall

 

[AA484]

Republicans ain't gonna want to spend on a wall

They are gonna force the Mexicans to do it :

 

[NoCalMike]

re: unskilled laborers who have felt they've been left behind

I think people faced with the prospect of losing their jobs/industry sometimes side with being made to feel good, rather than the cold hard truth that their industry might be going away for a good reason(s). Trump's solution is a short-term temporary "fix" if that at all, while Hillary's policy was looking at the truth of the matter that the industry is on it's way out and these folks/communities need something to ultimately replace it.

Pandering to unskilled labor by promising more unskilled labor may play well to a crowd of people afraid of losing their jobs, but it simply isn't a reality in the modern world. The answer to unskilled laborers losing their jobs, is education and/or being re-trained in a sustainable industry or perhaps a combination of both, however it is much easier to stand in front of a scared and angry employment force and promise them their jobs aren't going anymore (or coming back). Hillary tried to explain this somewhat, about job re-training, while Trump would just nonsensically blather about how great coal industry jobs were.

 

[909]

Republicans are glad to spend on all kinds of bullshit when a Republican is in charge. It's mostly stuff that doesn't help normal people, too. That's what has created this scenario. Some of you forgot the Bush years I hate to say.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/11/politics/gop-platform-republican-convention-immigration-border-wall-donald-trump/

It's literally in their party platform.

 

[snuffbox]

Are you trying to get a job in the administration, still fly?

 

[NoCalMike]

Yes, Republicans spending obscene amounts of money and running debt is nothing new. They just do it on different things that usually help a much smaller percentage of people. (tax cuts for the rich, defense contractors, etc etc etc)

 

[geniusMoment]

Turns out this is still the same country that elected Nixon...twice. Fuck the silent majority.

 

[909]

Just to bring more negative...this stuff is genuinely incredible to me.

Carbon tax fails in Washington.
Death penalty repeal fails in California.
Solar energy plan fails in Florida, even though it was backed by utility companies.

Keystone XL will be built.
So will the Dakota Access Pipeline.


These things are major fucking beatdowns and in the case of the first three, I think this can be perceived as a settling of issues.

 

[geniusMoment]

What about condoms in porn?

 

[909]

Barely rejected.