2024 Election

[Spaceman Spiff]

How do you keep it in house when 51 million people saw the POTUS look cognitively impaired? Is electoral politics just going to be whichever party mindlessly backs the preselected leader wins?

Keep it in house meaning Dem Reps & Senators shut their yaps in public about it. Anonymous source? Eh, ok. But Dems & donors actively shit talking their current candidate 4 months before an election is doing nothing but dragging him down. Force the Republicans to bring it up & talk about it, don't do their job for them. As it is, Repubs are basically doing the HomelanderSlowRealization.gif about all these free attack ads Dems are doing for them.

Keeping it "in house" would have likely led to no real change. Going public with it, people anonymously speaking to journalists about it, etc is the only hope of building enough pressure to lead to Biden to stepping down. My only quibble is this should have happened at least a year earlier.

If this happened 1 or 2 years ago, I see no problem, as there'd be plenty of time to figure a suitable replacement, message, plan, etc. 4 months out?

Look, I'm voting for whoever has a (D) next to their name, so doesn't matter to me who the candidate is (as an aside, voting for Joe gets you Kamala if anything happens to Joe, so not seeing why someone would vote for Kamala but not Joe, but understanding the American electorate is a fool's errand). If Joe drops out & Kamala curbstomps Trump in the election, I'll be thrilled. Come back in here & gloat in my face, I'll high five you while you're doing it.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

4 months is more than enough time. Every other country on the planet can have an ENTIRE election in less than 90 days.

 

[snuffbox]

The United States hasn't had a months-long presidential election cycle in decades. Other than the extenuating circumstances of '68, you might have to go back to an FDR opponent in the 30s or early 40s.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

https://www.cnbc.com/2024/07/11/joe-biden-press-conference-updates.html

This seems like more than a typical mistake. I don’t think any president has referred to their running mate as their opposition.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

• Some megadonors have said they are pausing donations to the Democratic party until a new presumptive presidential nominee comes forward.

This is also a factor that is being underrated. People have every right to withhold money if they don’t believe in this guy, and why should they? And if megadonors withhold their money, Biden will get absolutely smoked.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

The United States hasn't had a months-long presidential election cycle in decades. Other than the extenuating circumstances of '68, you might have to go back to an FDR opponent in the 30s or early 40s.

If the US can't do what everyone else can do, then that's pretty pathetic. There is absolutely no reason America (and especially not a single party) can't organize and hold an election in the time remaining. It's purely (by the establishment not people here) excuse making to avoid actually doing anything.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

The only arguments people have in favour of Biden that I’ve seen, both here and elsewhere is that:

- we have to be loyal to him in order to stop Trump
- there’s not enough time to find someone else

There’s a cult like mentality in the Democratic Party that is borderline maga-like where stuff like this supersedes the reality that every normal person is witnessing before them. To argue in favour of a guy who probably needs help tying his shoes just because he’s got the letter beside his name that you like, that’s the same shit dems accuse of maga nation.

 

[Mickey Massuco]

I didn’t get the chance to see it since I was out to dinner with the family but difference in discourse about this press conference between here and Reddit is wild. Reddit is 75% positive.

https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1e13bk1

Idk this doesn’t look 75% to me, majority of the top comments are overwhelmingly negative.

 

[snuffbox]

It's just something that started a long time ago and has gotten more pronounced (worse would be a fair term, too, imo). The cartoonishly tribal nature of American politics goes all the way back to the election of 1800. As people have gone all in being online over the past generation it's like it's been shot up with steroids. I don't see it changing soon, or ever, and certainly not practically overnight.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

My Reddit feed is weirdly skewed towards centrists and/of Blue MAGA types. Just my luck!

Two weeks ago, I thought Blue MAGA was something that far left moonbats mostly made up. After seeing how some of his supporters defend him and react to criticism, it does seem like a funhouse mirror version of a Trump supporter.

Like our two greatest political commentators Jon Stewart and CWM pointed out, France just held two major elections in a month. UK put one together in 3 or 4 months. It SHOULDN’T be this hard!

I understand the fear that this is all pot stirring to try and drive down voter turnout but honestly, chaos and confusion are much better motivators to vote than apathy and annoyance.

 

[snuffbox]

If Trump wins you can look forward to some fast paced, chaotic, made for TV elections.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

It is ironic that the Democratic Party is so concerned with Donald Trump ushering in fascism and yet thus far, at the very least, they tipped the scales heavily in Biden’s favor to strongly discourage anyone from primarying him, and get upset at any sort of debate about whether or not he should be the nominee.

Not as bad as what Donald Trump has done or wants to do but maybe diet fascism?

Obviously, rise of authoritarianism is a cause for concern but to uneducated (road salt eating) and/or swing voters, it probably sounds like another Russiagate.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1-5036518/biden-trump-poll

It is interesting that we are now 15 days and 3 or 4 news cycles out from the debate and we still haven’t seen Biden’s numbers crash. In fact, he is up 1% in this poll from past month.

Call me a nutter but I could see Biden winning an upset in a low turnout election, which I didn’t think was possible at all until now. If Trump keeps pretending he is a moderate but is unable to convince enough actual swing voters and alienates enough of his base to RFK Jr, you never know.

 

[snuffbox]

Nobody with a chance opting to primary is nothing at all like fascism. Like the republicans who just call anything that scares them 'socialism,' or whatever, it doesn't help anything to call a political move or lack thereof 'fascism' just because you don't like or it's currently unpopular online.

 

[snuffbox]

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/12/nx-s1-5036518/biden-trump-poll

It is interesting that we are now 15 days and 3 or 4 news cycles out from the debate and we still haven’t seen Biden’s numbers crash. In fact, he is up 1% in this poll from past month.

Call me a nutter but I could see Biden winning an upset in a low turnout election, which I didn’t think was possible at all until now. If Trump keeps pretending he is a moderate but is unable to convince enough actual swing voters and alienates enough of his base to RFK Jr, you never know.

Trump was always going to have a hard time making up a 7 milion vote deficit. Since then he's instigated a riot against the US capitol that killed police officers and become a near-3 dozen time convicted felon. I'm not sure a 24/7 cable/internet narrative of "old guy is old" can make up that much.

 

[The Thread Killer]

4 months is more than enough time. Every other country on the planet can have an ENTIRE election in less than 90 days.

So much this.

I don’t understand for the life of me why the election process takes so damn long in the USA. It’s so drawn out, it feels like having to sit through an episode of RAW. And it has the same problem of shitty commentary.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Who Is Favored To Win The 2024 Presidential Election?

538’s 2024 presidential election forecast model showing Democrat Kamala Harris’s and Republican Donald Trump’s chances of winning.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Eh, eh? Your guy might have a point. If Biden pulls this off, I will watch another anime and CWM will like Snuffy.

 

[Spaceman Spiff]

There’s a cult like mentality in the Democratic Party that is borderline maga-like where stuff like this supersedes the reality that every normal person is witnessing before them. To argue in favour of a guy who probably needs help tying his shoes just because he’s got the letter beside his name that you like, that’s the same shit dems accuse of maga nation.

I'm more voting for an administration than an individual candidate. If something happens to Biden I am p. confident his admin can carry on as usual without missing a beat.

If Biden doesn't drop out and is the nominee, it's a p. easy decision for me to make to vote for him.

 

[909]

The only arguments people have in favour of Biden that I’ve seen, both here and elsewhere is that:

- we have to be loyal to him in order to stop Trump
- there’s not enough time to find someone else

There’s a cult like mentality in the Democratic Party that is borderline maga-like where stuff like this supersedes the reality that every normal person is witnessing before them. To argue in favour of a guy who probably needs help tying his shoes just because he’s got the letter beside his name that you like, that’s the same shit dems accuse of maga nation.

I haven't encountered anyone in real life making arguments in favor of him. This includes family and friends who I know voted for him. NOBODY.

 

[Hawk 34]

Everyone you speak to in the really real world (that ain’t Reddit, Kamala, leave that for the porn gifs, bud) that isn’t entrenched into the other camp, has reacted in three ways to this

A). “Lol this old fuck”
B) “we will vote for him over the other guy but Jesus Christ”
C) “it doesn’t matter it’s all fucked”

And unlike Kamala, my community is socially, religiously, economically and culturally diverse. Not a soul is saying “boy I hope he stays in, he’s the bees knees” regardless of whatever dumb poll you grab to accommodate a narrative.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Who Is Favored To Win The 2024 Presidential Election?

538’s 2024 presidential election forecast model showing Democrat Kamala Harris’s and Republican Donald Trump’s chances of winning.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

Eh, eh? Your guy might have a point. If Biden pulls this off, I will watch another anime and CWM will like Snuffy.

Further thoughts, while I think most people are way less excited to vote for Biden but I wonder if we overestimate the amount of people who are not going to vote for him. I think vast majority of my circle is hesitant but like Spiff, would end up voting for Biden if it came down to him Vs Trump.

A lot of the people who are most vocal about him stepping down are people who decided a long time ago that they weren’t going to vote for Biden.

I also believe that people across the political spectrum have a distrust of the news media. That is where this being a weird funhouse mirror version of 2016 returns. “Oh. You think this guy is dangerous and unfit for office? I’ll show you.”

 

[Hawk 34]

Can Kamala Harris beat Trump? New poll puts her ahead of Joe Biden

A new poll shows Vice President Kamala Harris doing better against Donald Trump than President Joe Biden or other possible candidates.

www.usatoday.com

More polls just because they are just fun to see

 

[Cartman]

I'm more voting for an administration than an individual candidate. If something happens to Biden I am p. confident his admin can carry on as usual without missing a beat.

If Biden doesn't drop out and is the nominee, it's a p. easy decision for me to make to vote for him.

This. The President is not much more than the public figurehead, it's the people they surround themselves with to actually run shit and make decisions that matter. That's what people should be voting for.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

If Trump picks JD Vance next week, Democrats should be Crunk Dinoing in the streets.

This is probably the longest period Trump has gone without doing something stupid in the past nine years if not his entire adult life. I’m sure Biden’s team is praying for a freak show next week in Milwaukee to throw the attention away from him. Break out the road salt, Brody.

 

[Hawk 34]

He hasn’t gone 9 hours without saying or doing something stupid.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Well, he hasn’t gone nine minutes without saying something stupid. I should have said something stupid that has dominated a news cycle.

 

[BruiserBrody]

Trump is +9 in the latest poll in Wisco for voters 50 and up.

their top concerns were Social Security and the economy

 

[Big Papa Paegan]

I'm more voting for an administration than an individual candidate. If something happens to Biden I am p. confident his admin can carry on as usual without missing a beat.

You know...maybe that's the direction Biden should go in. Formulate the rest of the administration and hype them up as an ensemble cast and not just get a bunch of career snakes in those spots. Take the "cult of personality" aspect of candidacy right out. "I'm old, my team's bold, and the beer on tap is ice fucking cold."

New boom period.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

This. The President is not much more than the public figurehead, it's the people they surround themselves with to actually run shit and make decisions that matter. That's what people should be voting for.

This really has not been true since at least FDR IMO. The office of President has accrued more and more power and the personage itself has tremendous personal power. This is even more true in a time where we see government shutdowns and the use of executive orders to govern.

Also the people Biden has surrounded himself with, are the very people who have concealed his true condition from everyone. They have lied to everyone. He's also brought Hunter Biden into the white house as an advisor/gatekeeper, a convicted felon!

 

[BruiserBrody]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1811911209509142905