The 2024 Box Office thread

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

I’m sure the Beyoncé Renaissance tour will do fine but this is her second or third concert movie (Lemonade isn’t a concert movie but it feels similar enough to one) and others were online or on Netflix.

I don’t see curiosity seekers checking out a Beyonce movie either like they did with TSwift’s. They play to the same sized crowds but Taylor feels at or near the height of her popularity where as Beyonce seems to be veering slowly towards becoming a nostalgia act.


(Now watch Beyonce have the biggest hit of her career on her next album)

 

[Gary]

Box Office: ‘Hunger Games’ Prequel and ‘Napoleon’ Conquer Thanksgiving as ‘Wish’ Wobbles

'Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes' easily won this year's box office turkey trot, while 'Napoleon' edged out 'Wish' in a major upset.

www.hollywoodreporter.com

"Napoleon" is actually in a close race with "Wish" and is expected to make more than it was originally projected. Something tells me I was wrong about "Killers of the Flower Moon" and that audiences might be interested in historical biopics, and that the audience for big budget movies for adults might not be limited to "Oppenheimer".

For what it's worth, there were more people in the theater for "Napoleon" than there were for "Wish" when I was watching the former.

 

[Brocklock]

Killers of the Flower Moon is a certified bomb, but Apple is more interested in the prestige of oscar noms and having the last few films of Martin Scorsese's career in their library for Apple Tv Plus. But still, KOFTM making around 65 million domestic does show that Leo DiCaprio is still a box office draw. If this starred most other actors, I doubt it grosses over 10 million domestically.

 

[909]

Disney is dead

 

[Gary]

Disney is dead

I've said this before, but they'll find a way to come back from this. I'm pretty happy with their current misfortunes, but they've come back from major setbacks before. Hell, they've probably been through worse.

 

[Brocklock]

Wow, Napoleon ended up finishing above Wish. Wish couldn't even break 20 million in the 3 day total. Surreal to see a Disney Princess movie bomb like this, but that's the 2023 Box Office in a nutshell.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Downside is what the hell is Ridley Scott going to bitch about now?

 

[Brocklock]

Well despite doing better than I expected, Napoleon still cost 200 million. So, it's not a hit and he can complain about that if he wants.

It did already make more domestically than The Last Duel did in it's entire worldwide run, in the first 5 days. I still need to watch that. I'm sure it's better than Napoleon.

 

[Gary]

Wow, Napoleon ended up finishing above Wish. Wish couldn't even break 20 million in the 3 day total. Surreal to see a Disney Princess movie bomb like this, but that's the 2023 Box Office in a nutshell.

The biggest irony is Disney releasing "The Last Duel" (through Fox) two years ago, which not only bombed but was something they barely promoted. Two years later, Ridley's latest is outperforming them.

 

[Gary]

1	1	The Hunger Games: The Ballad of Songbirds & Snakes	$28,820,000	-35.4%	3,776	-	$7,632	$98,373,951	2	Lions Gate Films
2	-	Napoleon	$20,400,000	-	3,500	-	$5,828	$32,500,000	1	Columbia Pictures
3	-	Wish	$19,500,000	-	3,900	-	$5,000	$31,700,000	1	Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
4	2	Trolls Band Together	$17,520,000	-41.6%	3,893	+23	$4,500	$64,468,460	2	Universal Pictures
5	3	Thanksgiving	$7,275,167	-29.4%	3,204	-	$2,270	$24,193,000	2	TriStar Pictures
6	4	The Marvels	$6,400,000	-36.8%	3,070	-960	$2,084	$76,853,446	3	Walt Disney Studios Motion Pictures
7	7	The Holdovers	$2,750,000	+2%	1,601	+123	$1,717	$12,889,285	5	Focus Features
8	6	Taylor Swift: The Eras Tour	$2,330,000	-15.6%	946	-627	$2,463	$178,265,894	7	-
9	5	Five Nights at Freddy's	$1,750,000	-50.8%	1,754	-1,075	$997	$136,209,340	5	Universal Pictures International (UPI)
10	14	Saltburn	$1,735,000	+437.7%	1,566	+1,559	$1,107	$3,097,279	2	Warner Bros.
11	8	Next Goal Wins	$1,700,000	-32%	2,240	-	$758	$5,742,770	2	Searchlight Pictures
12	9	Priscilla	$1,300,032	-44.1%	1,063	-739	$1,222	$19,602,138	5	A24
13	10	Killers of the Flower Moon	$1,055,000	-46.1%	767	-947	$1,375	$65,613,788	6	Paramount Pictures

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New "Hunger Games" cost $100 million to make, which is a large budget but isn't bloated the way others are. That's a smart move. "Napoleon" might be a bomb, but I think Apple is fine since 1.) there's going to be the 4+ hour cut on their streaming service, and 2.) they're most likely looking at it as an awards season movie. Plus, it's the number one movie overseas.

Is it safe to say "The Holdovers" is a sleeper hit?

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Wow, Napoleon ended up finishing above Wish. Wish couldn't even break 20 million in the 3 day total. Surreal to see a Disney Princess movie bomb like this, but that's the 2023 Box Office in a nutshell.

Well, that's an interesting way to choose to frame that.

New "Hunger Games" cost $100 million to make, which is a large budget but isn't bloated the way others are. That's a smart move. "Napoleon" might be a bomb, but I think Apple is fine since 1.) there's going to be the 4+ hour cut on their streaming service, and 2.) they're most likely looking at it as an awards season movie...

Well, isn't that convenient? I didn't know that it was okay for a movie to lose money, as long as it was Oscar bait.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

It’s Apple. Spending $200 million on a prestige for them is like one of us spending $12 on a breakfast sandwich. It’s inconvenient and annoying if it isn’t good but something they are going to spend a lot of time kicking themselves over.

 

[Brocklock]

I will say the reviews for Napoleon indicate that it's not going to be a big oscar contender or award season movie. I'm sure it will be nominated or in the mix for the technical awards like Sound, Set Design, Costume Design, etc, but idk about the big ones. Phoenix's performance has a pretty mixed to negative reception, and I don't think Ridley has a chance in hell to get a best director nomination.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Yeah, I mean Ridley Scott is a dumb person to give a blank check for a prestige movie too. The Martian was his last movie to get multiple Oscar nominations and that was almost ten years ago and before that it was Black Hawk Down, which is over twenty years ago. Chaff outweighs the wheat in his filmography.


(Hopefully he reads this and gets riled up.)

 

[Brocklock]

I've been tempted to call him Midley Scott, but I don't want to gain his wrath. But, for real Blade Runner and Alien are classics. Gladiator, Black Hawk Down, Thelma And Louise, and American Gangster are good to fine movies. Everything else is a mixed bag with some stuff I enjoy like Matchstick Men, stuff I find overrated like The Martian, stuff I don't hate as much as everyone else like Prometheus, and a lot of crap. I know the director's cut of Kingdom Of Heaven gets raves, but I have a confession. I'm not a big fan of historical epics and I don't know if I'll ever watch it. Same with The Last Duel, although the plot of that sounds more intriguing to me.

People talk about him like he should be among Scorsese, Spielberg, Tarantino, Kubrick, Hitchcock, Kurosawa, Ingmar Bergman, Nolan, etc. His top five films and top ten films pale in comparison against a ton of directors top 5 or top 10. Even someone like Francis Ford Coppola doesn't get mentioned among the greats as much as Ridley, and his top 5 films blows Scott's away. Now you can put Ridley's top 2 films of Blade Runner and Alien against any director, but that's not enough.

Most overrated director working today. His work ethic for his age (and in general) is incredible, and he always gets movies done quick. But, that's not enough to be one of the best directors ever.

 

[Gary]

Well, that's an interesting way to choose to frame that.


Well, isn't that convenient? I didn't know that it was okay for a movie to lose money, as long as it was Oscar bait.

Please watch other kinds of movies.

 

[Cackling Co Pilot Kamala]

Most overrated director working today. His work ethic for his age (and in general) is incredible, and he always gets movies done quick. But, that's not enough to be one of the best directors ever.

For comparison’s sake, Ridley Scott has been nominated for Best Director four times and won zero, Spielberg has been nominated nine times and won twice, Scorsese has been nominated nine times and won once

Counter point: Oliver Stone has won Best Director twice (and been nominated three times) and no one except for @BruiserBrody would say he is one of the great directors of all time!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Please watch other kinds of movies.

I've been off that since 1999; I ain't going back.

EDIT - But, I'll tell you what, if you ever wanted to know what'd take to get me to quit supporting the MCU?

... I imagine, they try to bring RDJ, Chris Evans, ScarJo back to the MCU. But, that can only work for so long, and who knows if the actors accept. RDJ seems done with Tony Stark and, has talked about how doing Oppenheimer has made him remember to act again. He might start taking more prestige work. ScarJo sued Disney a year ago and doesn't sound like she wants to return. Chris Evans might return, and that could possibly save Captain America 4...

That. That right there would do it. If Disney panics and tries to revive the Infinity Saga actors/characters to "save" the franchise? If they bail out on moving forward with Kamala Khan, with Riri Williams, with America Chavez, with Kate Bishop, with Shang-Chi, She Hulk, the Eternals, Monica Rambeau, Sam Wilson as Captain America, all so they can bring That Old Thing Back, that'd get me to quit. But it's not going to make me start watching different movies, I'll just be out on movies, period, unless they ever make a big budget Kung Fu flick.

 

[Fall of Epic]

Ridley Scott always manages to get excellent casts for his films, constantly front-loading them with Oscar winners but the films themselves range from meh to decent. Martian was really good though.

Is be still trying like hell to make a decent Alien sequel?

 

[Fall of Epic]

Looking over Copolla's filmography...I guess the first two Godfather films are the only ones that would be considered classics, yeah? I liked the Conversation and the Outsiders (my favorite book ever) but most people wouldn't call them classics. The less said about his 90s and beyond input the better.

 

[Brocklock]

Looking over Copolla's filmography...I guess the first two Godfather films are the only ones that would be considered classics, yeah? I liked the Conversation and the Outsiders (my favorite book ever) but most people wouldn't call them classics. The less said about his 90s and beyond input the better.

The Conversation and Apocalypse Now are classics imo. I've seen a lot of people consider The Conversation a classic especially recently. It was nominated for best picture, 97% on RT, 87% on Metacritic which is a lot more tough on movies than RT, and a 4.2 out of 5 on letterboxd.

I actually like those two more than The Godfather 1 and 2, but they are all classics. Rumble Fish is also better than a lot of Ridley's movies. And is much better than The Outsiders tbh. Hell I have more of a soft spot for Bram Stoker's Dracula than a lot of Ridley movies. Keanu is terrible, but Oldman and Hopkins and some of the supporting cast are great.

 

[Fall of Epic]

Apocalypse Now loses me in the third act but it's still an incredible piece of filmmaking.

 

[Hawk 34]

The Conversation and Apocalypse Now are classics imo. I've seen a lot of people consider The Conversation a classic especially recently. It was nominated for best picture, 97% on RT, 87% on Metacritic which is a lot more tough on movies than RT, and a 4.2 out of 5 on letterboxd.

I actually like those two more than The Godfather 1 and 2, but they are all classics. Rumble Fish is also better than a lot of Ridley's movies. And is much better than The Outsiders tbh. Hell I have more of a soft spot for Bram Stoker's Dracula than a lot of Ridley movies. Keanu is terrible, but Oldman and Hopkins and some of the supporting cast are great.

There’s an alarming lack of respect on The Rainmaker here.

 

[strummer]

The Outsiders directors cut is much better than the theatrical release. Both are not great but I still love them. Rumble Fish is better though

 

[909]

Man even though I like some of these characters now that it’s spelled out like that the current Marvel lineup sounds like the NWO B team. No wonder they can’t draw

As I sit here watching previews, the Bob Marley biopic looks good

 

[Brocklock]

There’s an alarming lack of respect on The Rainmaker here.

I dig that movie. Matt Damon and Danny Devito were entertaining together.

 

[cobainwasmurdered]

man wtf "the conversation" is fucking amazing. Fantastic cast and editing. Hackman is so good in this and John Cazale is one of the biggest what-ifs in acting history.

 

[strummer]

Coppola originally wanted to make the Conversation as his first big feature. Brando turned him down around 1968/1969. Godfather was the studio giving him the project. This time he landed Brando after putting up an insurance policy per required by the studio.

He did Godfather 2 only if the studio let him make the Conversation

 

[909]

Yeah Ridley Scott is a hack who makes fun movies so I don’t like seeing these two names be compared. His brother was a far more interesting filmmaker for better or worse.

 

[Brocklock]

Yeah I held back a little about The Conversation. One of my favorite movies honestly and it got dissed pretty bad.

I only mentioned Coppola because he seems a little forgotten compared to Scott. I wasn't trying to compare. I think FFC is way better than Ridley. I hope his next film Megalopolis is great. The cast is insane. It really could go either way. Either it's a disaster or a return to form and new classic Sci Fi film. Or it could be a cult classic like Southland Tales.